$126.34 bucks (free S/H) and you are done for life !
-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
urbex wrote: This thread has caused me to lose a LOT of sleep lately....
....over the concern that the price of tin foil is about to sky rocket...
No need to worry or lose sleep....there is a buy once and never have
to buy tin foil again !!!!
Not for me...for all the other "the MAN is keeping the GOOD cars from us!" people (hint - if they really were trying to keep us in fuel hogs - we wouldn't have 3/4 and 1 ton trucks with diesel engines...the big block gas mills still out tow and out perform the diesels, just at a much higher rate of fuel consumption).
I just don't want to have to pay more for my baking needs because of this, lol.
It's not the man, a conspiracy to keep fuel prices high, or any other garbage like that - it's partially an infrastructure issue (not enough stations selling diesel for people to feel comfortable making the jump), and largely a cost issue - diesels cost more to purchase, cost more to maintain, and the fuel costs per gallon are higher.
I've run the numbers for myself, and found the same result that has kept me from buying a hybrid - at the end of a 5 year period, the typical fuel efficient "normal" vehicle will be far cheaper in a straight up gas model than a hybrid or diesel when you factor in purchase price and maintenance.
Heck, I got really excited when I heard about the Chevy Volt. Figured that was the perfect solution - electric car with a backup gas motor in case you ran out of juice away from a charging station...until I saw the sticker price of the thing - 41K+! Compared to something like a Cruze at 17K...That 24 thousand dollar difference is equal to over 180,000 miles of gas at the current $4/gal rate - 24,000/4/gal=6,000 gallons of fuel @31mpg combined=186,000 miles. Sure, the cost of fuel is likely to keep rising over the years, but everything will continue to rise in price as well just due to inflation.
I ran the same numbers on the diesel vs gas when I was looking at buying another truck. The purchase price+cost of fuel+cost of maintenance on a diesel just didn't make financial sense to me over the cost of a gas engine. I can see it making sense to full timers, or people constantly towing/hauling heavy loads, but for the majority of us commuting or making the grocery store runs, it just doesn't work out, financially, in the end compared to gas.
That financial aspect is the largest part of what's holding back diesel adoption for the majority of us
Snow_King wrote: Well, I thought only diesel was filtered at most retail outlets. Never seen a filter on a gas pump!
I also have never seen a filter on a gas pump but I have also never seen anyone replacing filters regardless of type of fuel.
I stopped at a station where new pumps were being installed and asked about filters. Guy doing the installing said they have filters in the top section before the nozzle.
Husky truck stops in Canada have big uns and they change them daily ,at least my local one does.
Truckers see and pass on the knowledge- good for business
Let's look at what base Gasoline is suppose to be:
Quote: Base Fuel.
The base fuel shall conform to ASTM D 4814 and shall contain commercial fuel grade ethanol conforming to ASTM D 4806. All gasoline blend stocks used to formulate the base fuel shall be representative of normal U.S. refinery operations and shall be derived from conversion units downstream of distillation. Butanes and pentanes are allowed for vapor pressure adjustment. The use of chemical streams is prohibited.
urbex wrote: Not for me...for all the other "the MAN is keeping the GOOD cars from us!" people (hint - if they really were trying to keep us in fuel hogs - we wouldn't have 3/4 and 1 ton trucks with diesel engines...the big block gas mills still out tow and out perform the diesels, just at a much higher rate of fuel consumption).
Errr, have you actually towed a heavy trailer with a diesel lately?
You comment would be a good fit in the 1990's and maybe early 2000's but even the last year of the GM 8.1L won't hold a candle to the 2006 and later D'Maxes.
It's called TORQUE, and while the big blocks have it, the diesels have a lot more.
Keith J.
1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS Fiver.
2005 GMC Sierra 2500HD CC/SB/DA 2WD, LBZ air cleaner, 52 gal Titan tank, Bilsteins, Line-X, Westin steps, Prodigy, Retrax cover, 16K Superglide, 5th-Airborne pin-box, Multi-vex mirrors, TST TPMS.
Quote: Not for me...for all the other "the MAN is keeping the GOOD cars from us!" people (hint - if they really were trying to keep us in fuel hogs - we wouldn't have 3/4 and 1 ton trucks with diesel engines...the big block gas mills still out tow and out perform the diesels, just at a much higher rate of fuel consumption).
I just don't want to have to pay more for my baking needs because of this, lol.
It's not the man, a conspiracy to keep fuel prices high, or any other garbage like that - it's partially an infrastructure issue (not enough stations selling diesel for people to feel comfortable making the jump), and largely a cost issue - diesels cost more to purchase, cost more to maintain, and the fuel costs per gallon are higher.
I've run the numbers for myself, and found the same result that has kept me from buying a hybrid - at the end of a 5 year period, the typical fuel efficient "normal" vehicle will be far cheaper in a straight up gas model than a hybrid or diesel when you factor in purchase price and maintenance.
Heck, I got really excited when I heard about the Chevy Volt. Figured that was the perfect solution - electric car with a backup gas motor in case you ran out of juice away from a charging station...until I saw the sticker price of the thing - 41K+! Compared to something like a Cruze at 17K...That 24 thousand dollar difference is equal to over 180,000 miles of gas at the current $4/gal rate - 24,000/4/gal=6,000 gallons of fuel @31mpg combined=186,000 miles. Sure, the cost of fuel is likely to keep rising over the years, but everything will continue to rise in price as well just due to inflation.
I ran the same numbers on the diesel vs gas when I was looking at buying another truck. The purchase price+cost of fuel+cost of maintenance on a diesel just didn't make financial sense to me over the cost of a gas engine. I can see it making sense to full timers, or people constantly towing/hauling heavy loads, but for the majority of us commuting or making the grocery store runs, it just doesn't work out, financially, in the end compared to gas.
That financial aspect is the largest part of what's holding back diesel adoption for the majority of us
On an RV forum you are analyzing financial options??? Are you kidding? There is probably no RV for purely recreational usage part time (not full time) that begins to financially pencil out. The RVIA has provided statistics that suggest the average RV is used less than 20 nights a year. And we pay for the RV, often interest on the loan, suffer depreciation when we sell it, maintenance costs, the tow vehicle and all the rest of the registration and taxes, etc. For twenty nights a year it would be for most of us much less expensive to just buy that Prius that you don't think is financially savy and stay in motels or hotels.
You comment about gasser big blocks is so dated I am wondering if you are Rip Van Winkles cousin or something. The newer diesels all have more than 600 foot pounds of torque and the newest ones are up around 800 foot pounds. This is compared to the Ford V-10 big block at aound 480 foot pounds of torque. And the gasser does not come with the fantastic exhaust brake nor will it get towing anywhere near the diesel mileage. I have no idea how long a gasser big block will last but most diesels are in it for the long haul, some have passed one million miles without overhaul. I sort of doubt the gasser will go that long. More to the point, considering longevity the diesel will be less expensive if the owner likes to keep trucks a long time. It will outlast several gassers.
Do yourself a huge favor, go drive a diesel and watch your towing world open in ways you have not considered.
'05 Dodge Cummins 4x4 dually 3500 white quadcab auto long bed.
'09 299bhs Tango.
urbex wrote: Not for me...for all the other "the MAN is keeping the GOOD cars from us!" people (hint - if they really were trying to keep us in fuel hogs - we wouldn't have 3/4 and 1 ton trucks with diesel engines...the big block gas mills still out tow and out perform the diesels, just at a much higher rate of fuel consumption).
I'm a gas guy these days, but I will be the first to admit that in 2012 a diesel pickup will kick the snot out of a gas one in sheer towing performance. Are the associated extra costs and headaches of a post-2008 diesel worth it? To me, no, but there is no denying the performance advantage. Like the previous poster said, 20 years ago it was a different story. A stock 1992 Ford or Chevy big block gas V8 will outpull any stock diesel of that year.
1998 Gulfstream Ultra B/H Ford E450 V10
2005 Chevy 2500HD 6.0 w/ Maxidump insert
2006 Ford Escape Hybrid
1998 Saturn SL2 toad
2012 VW Jetta S
I am just am sooo glad I changed my mind about buying a new diesel truck. Everytime I fill up my gas powered truck I look at those diesel prices and wonder HOW they ended up being so much more than gas and all the controversy of what all is put in it.
The whole additives issue to burn cleaner to keep the air from being polluted is a joke from the get go. In my state if I buy a 1 ton truck its exempt from emissions testing, my MH is automatically exempt from emissions and the old vehicles that SHOULD be tested don't have to. And if I move 1 mile from my house into a different county...NONE of my vehicles have to be tested! Go figure.
"We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned,
so as to have the life that is waiting for us".
rockhillmanor wrote: I am just am sooo glad I changed my mind about buying a new diesel truck. Everytime I fill up my gas powered truck I look at those diesel prices and wonder HOW they ended up being so much more than gas and all the controversy of what all is put in it.
If I look at several buddies who pull a 10,000# fiver and get between 6 and 8mpg with their gas trucks, and I'm pulling a similar load and I get 12.5mpg, the way i figure it, even if diesel is 10% more per gallon, I'm getting at least 50% better mileage.
And I do my own maintenance, so it's not a big cost hit there either.
As for the satisfaction of cruising in O/D at 2000 rpms all day long, up hill and down, there is no way to put a value on that!
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