Quote: as I previously calculated, which was the intended purpose of my post.
You are in Arizona, the OP is in New Jersey and I am in Nevada. And in northern Nevada your calculations are incorrect as diesel is less than regular. I don't understand how you can state that your
calculations were correct for the OP unless you have all the facts and know what the OP intended purpose of the truck is/was.
I have found over the years that anything that is intended to do most things well will do nothing great. A previous poster mentioned this also. The 6.2 is too much engine for grocery getting and just making a trip to work and not enough engine for serious towing. In my experience get the truck needed for the maximum applicaton and at least it will do that well.
Again, the OP is in New Jersey mostly near sea level and tows mostly on flat roads and in his words only around 50 mph on secondary roads. So it might work for him, in his environment and expectations. Where I live the grades begin at around 5000 feet elevation and go up with some 6-8 percent grades lasting miles and miles. As it is a different environment most around here that tow are using the larger oil burners. It makes a difference in the mouintains and where the engine can deliver almost sea level power to 7,000-10,000 feet. At 10,000 feet a gas engine has lost 20 percent of its sea level power and according to the Ford towing guide twenty percent of its sea level tow rating.
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'09 299bhs Tango.
Quote: as I previously calculated, which was the intended purpose of my post.
Again, the OP is in New Jersey mostly near sea level and tows mostly on flat roads and in his words only around 50 mph on secondary roads. So it might work for him, in his environment and expectations.
I have found over the years that anything that is intended to do most things well will do nothing great. A previous poster mentioned this also. The 6.2 is too much engine for grocery getting and just making a trip to work and not enough engine for serious towing. In my experience get the truck needed for the maximum applicaton and at least it will do that well.
Again, the OP is in New Jersey mostly near sea level and tows mostly on flat roads and in his words only around 50 mph on secondary roads. So it might work for him, in his environment and expectations. Where I live the grades begin at around 5000 feet elevation and go up with some 6-8 percent grades lasting miles and miles. As it is a different environment most around here that tow are using the larger oil burners. It makes a difference in the mouintains and where the engine can deliver almost sea level power to 7,000-10,000 feet. At 10,000 feet a gas engine has lost 20 percent of its sea level power and according to the Ford towing guide twenty percent of its sea level tow rating.
Sorry dude but I feel you are still preaching that us gassers are wrong and should be driving diesels just in case we hit that one situation where our truck comes up a bit short..
I was excited to see this post as info on the 6.2 Superduty towing is not that available but again its become a kinda whippin board for you diesel guys.
To make you understand that sometimes a little less truck than needed for that rare occurance of maximum need I will quote you again--
"In my experience get the truck needed for the maximum applicaton and at least it will do that well."
Then note that you "added" airbags and overloads?? Why not get the correct truck right up front?
Just playing with you but do you get the point?
Also, when they bring out the 5.0L Ecoboost gasser in the Superduty, those elevation issues won't matter either.. (I am hoping/dreaming)
Quote: Sorry dude but I feel you are still preaching that us gassers are wrong and should be driving diesels just in case we hit that one situation where our truck comes up a bit short..
I was excited to see this post as info on the 6.2 Superduty towing is not that available but again its become a kinda whippin board for you diesel guys.
To make you understand that sometimes a little less truck than needed for that rare occurance of maximum need I will quote you again--
"In my experience get the truck needed for the maximum applicaton and at least it will do that well."
Then note that you "added" airbags and overloads?? Why not get the correct truck right up front?
Just playing with you but do you get the point?
V10SuperDuty,
Good eye! The air bags and energy suspension bumper for the overloads were to carry a 4000 pound cabover camper. Stock the truck handles it, but the bags and suspension bumpers created a very stable truck from the standpoint of the sway that usually accompanies large cabover campers. It only takes a few minutes in the truck camper forums to notice that additional suspension is almost always needed for virtually any truck carrying a large camper. I suspect I could have purchased a 450/550 or 4500/5500 and not needed the suspension stuff. However, to follow your reasoning I was never over gross at 12,200 but very close to it. And suspension really has little to do with gas or diesel with the exception that the diesel engine does weigh more so it uses some of the available payload that would not be a factor for a gas engine. I have no issues with those that like gas engines nor those that like diesels. Whatever makes the person happy. Also, I was not preaching anything to anybody just sharing my perspectives on the OP's interesting thread. At least this has not degenerated into a Ford vs GM or Dodge thread that so many times the discussion morphs into.
If I needed/wanted a gas engine I certainly would look at the 6.2 as I do like the Ford 350 superduty crewcab truck. And Ford's gas engines have proven to be reliable.
Good eye!
However, to follow your reasoning I was never over gross at 12,200 but very close to it
At least this has not degenerated into a Ford vs GM or Dodge thread that so many times the discussion morphs into.
If I needed/wanted a gas engine I certainly would look at the 6.2 as I do like the Ford 350 superduty crewcab truck. And Ford's gas engines have proven to be reliable.
Its all good..
It is refreshing to discuss without bashing, etc.
I never even thought about your weight, just pointing out that your truck was "modified" contrary to your suggestion that , well you know what I mean now.
Anyway I was suggesting that info on the Ford 6.2 gasser is somewhat scarece compared to diesel info, so I look for info such as OP started and its too bad turns into "shoulda bought a diesel" instead. Thats all, no harm, no foul!
I am a couple years more working before I buy new and last truck and it will be a gas powered F250/F350.
I am really hoping the 5.0 or 6.2 gets Ecoboost treatment and feel that will (for me) be as good as any diesel for my application.
My v10 was only a 2 wheel drive, speced and ordered to be a usable daily driver and still tow 11,000 lbs of fiver. It did that job fine and had virtually no resale value (being 2 wheeler in North West Ontario where its winter for 11 1/2 months a year)when I sold it a year ago. Still brought $4500 bucks though.
But "sorry" no diesel in my future..
Quote: I am a couple years more working before I buy new and last truck and it will be a gas powered F250/F350.
I am three and a half years into retirement. You will like it! We are all here because we like to chat about camping and RV stuff and learn from each other. Beyond that all you see sometimes (at least from me) is an enthusium for what I have. Nothing more or less. I have heard of some folks that so love their Cummins that they roll down the window driving by the Cummins plant or a Dodge dealer and shout to anybody standing around how much they love their engine. That is a little over the top for me but whatever floats their boat is OK with me. I don't really care and said previously that I think Dodge dropped the ball by curtailing the V-10 gas engine. But that is just me and everybody is different. I am not into preaching or bashing engines or brands or anything else on these forums and hope it does not come across that way. I do respect everybody's comments and enjoy what they have to say.
I have been around airplanes and motorcycles almost all my life and if you think brand loyality or a love for an engine is strong here on RV.net just hang with the Ducati, BMW or Harley guys. And I am sure it is the same with boats, sports cars, bicycles and most anything else. Zeal and enthusium is good at least in moderation. Who wants to read about people that are not happy with their purchase or don't like what they own. There is so much of that already everywhere that I find it refreshing to read about folks that do like what they have even if it is considered by others to be on the dark side.
I am sure you will enjoy your new Ford and if they can make a reliable engine that burns oil I might join the Ford ranks also.
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