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Dave-Sparky wrote:

I also generally agree with what Cedarhill wrote with one exception and several assumptions.

You will have to get the power out and back, so the total wire length is actually 130 feet, not 65.

The assumptions are that the wire is copper, not aluminum and solid not stranded. If these are not correct they the voltage drop will be slightly higher, but still safe.

Thus, the actual voltage drop will be approximately 4 volts at full load.

Good engineering practice is to design for a worst case of 5% or with a 120 volt source 6 volts.

Dave


I just stumbled on this thread after several days and read Dave's reply. I believe he is correct. I was off by a factor of 2 in this instance because in the original situation, there is not likely to be a "bonding" connection to earth ground at the far end to provide an alternate current path. All the current will return through the neutral wire.

My bad and 2 points for Dave!

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Bit Bucket wrote:

Dave-Sparky wrote:

You will have to get the power out and back, so the total wire length is actually 130 feet, not 65.


...only 65' would be computed in this case, out and back is not how it is done.

This is a myth perpetuated on many forums.

Formula #1 (no out and back)

Formula #2 (no out and back)

Formula #3 (no out and back)

All of these sources refer to "one way distance" or "distance from power supply to load", etc.

Those of us in the electrical field that size feeder and branch circuit conductors, etc. for engineering approval, know to use the "one way distance".


I think you need to look at your sources again. The first formula from the first example you posted is

VD = (2 x L x R x I)/1000

In this example the variable are as follows:

VD = voltage drop
L = Length
R = Resistance
I = Current

The 1000 is due to the fact that most conductor resistance tables are given in ohms per 1000 feet.

and the 2? that is for total conductor pathway link which will be twice the length of the cable run.

Dave


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