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Are they toast?

How will this effect Ram/Cummins time table?


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Dodge / Cummins is still got enough banked credits.

But things are changing for 2013:

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Ahead of tightening greenhouse gas and fuel efficiency requirements for 2014, the enhanced engines are expected to deliver up to 2 percent better fuel economy thanks to new high-efficiency water, fuel and oil pump systems. On the emissions end, the engines will employ Cummins' Emissions Solutions EcoFit suite of exhaust aftertreatment technologies, integrating a diesel particulate filter and a selective reduction catalyst. On-board diagnostics -- long a part of the passenger car and light-truck markets and employed by Cummins starting in 2007 -- will be spread across the entire engine lineup.


http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2012/163_news120321_cummins_updates_diesel_engines_for_2013/index.html#ixzz1zhutXqb7


Now the funny part.

Greenhouse Gas Emissions (aka MPG) regs are tightening in 2014.

They could have simplified things if they went CP4 pump for 2013.

But.. if they delay.. then a redesign has to be done again for 2014.


Massive EGR was a dud... high fuel consumption because it lowered thermal efficiency, and also generated a lot of soot, which means lots and lots of regens.


That is what Cummins customers get for an obsolete and archaic technology. But it goes well with an obsolete engine and an obsolete truck design.

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NewsW wrote:

Dodge / Cummins is still got enough banked credits.

But things are changing for 2013:

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Ahead of tightening greenhouse gas and fuel efficiency requirements for 2014, the enhanced engines are expected to deliver up to 2 percent better fuel economy thanks to new high-efficiency water, fuel and oil pump systems. On the emissions end, the engines will employ Cummins' Emissions Solutions EcoFit suite of exhaust aftertreatment technologies, integrating a diesel particulate filter and a selective reduction catalyst. On-board diagnostics -- long a part of the passenger car and light-truck markets and employed by Cummins starting in 2007 -- will be spread across the entire engine lineup.


http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2012/163_news120321_cummins_updates_diesel_engines_for_2013/index.html#ixzz1zhutXqb7


Now the funny part.

Greenhouse Gas Emissions (aka MPG) regs are tightening in 2014.

They could have simplified things if they went CP4 pump for 2013.

But.. if they delay.. then a redesign has to be done again for 2014.


Massive EGR was a dud... high fuel consumption because it lowered thermal efficiency, and also generated a lot of soot, which means lots and lots of regens.


That is what Cummins customers get for an obsolete and archaic technology. But it goes well with an obsolete engine and an obsolete truck design.


Does this mean Cummins BlueTec is obsolete?


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Yep that CP4 has been working so well for everyone running it right Bules.....er I mean News lol. The 2500/3500 wil be running the same system that the 4500/5500 are running now starting late December or early January.

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I was looking at the SuperNova motorhome tonight, and they use the International chassis. I am wondering if they will still be able to offer a diesel engine in that chassis as well?

Or perhaps International can start to offer the Cummins or other brand compliant diesel engines in their trucks. I know that Ford is putting in Cummins and other engines in their class 6 trucks.

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NewsW wrote:




That is what Cummins customers get for an obsolete and archaic technology. But it goes well with an obsolete engine and an obsolete truck design.




And I was thinking that everything you have said was worthwhile to reading.


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NewsW wrote:




That is what Cummins customers get for an obsolete and archaic technology. But it goes well with an obsolete engine and an obsolete truck design.


Ok smart a$$. Since you know everything about everything, what is so obsolete about the Ram except for the DEF that the other trucks have?


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Makes me wonder if this is the reason for the Ford /Navistar split ?
Did Ford want a more mainstream NOX solution ? Did Navistar balk ?
This started around that time frame.

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Dodge owners are always so touchy.


I just realized that my last 4 trucks were gas GMC, diesel Ford, gas Chevy, and now a diesel Dodge. I didn't realize I was so open minded lol.

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NewsW wrote:

That is what Cummins customers get for an obsolete and archaic technology. But it goes well with an obsolete engine and an obsolete truck design.



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