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I have 2009 2500 GMC hd diesel, with the full trailer package. I am looking at a used 2009 30rfksltd Sunnybrook FW. The dry wt is about 11,500lbs and the gross wt 16,000lbs. Specs on my truck are about 15,000lbs for a FW. Is this too close?. All comments welcome...Thank You

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It'll work, see my sig. Mine is 11,000 dry on a 2008 Dmax SRW. I use airbags to keep the trailer from bouncing the overload springs and I have no problem. My loaded ready to camp gross combined weight is right at 22,000. I am maxed out and it feels fine.

I think you should study your manual a little closer. GCVW for that truck should be about 22-23K I think, not 15K. It's been a couple years since I studied my manual.


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With a fifth wheel you should be more concerned with carrying capacity of your truck, and less with towing capacity.

I would say the 5th wheel would weigh closer to 16,000 than 12,000. So IMO the main thing to look at is if your GVWR will allow you to put 3,000 lbs in the bed. That will probably be very close to pin weight on that 5er if it weighs in loaded at 15,000 lbs.

Weigh your truck with everything in it that you normally would bring, including a full tank of fuel. Subtract this weight from the GVWR and see if you have about 3,000 lbs of capacity left.


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Posted: 07/15/12 10:11am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If the loaded pin weight is around 3000 lbs, the truck will be over it's ~9000 GVWR and either very close to or possibly over it's ~6000 RGAWR (rear axle weight rating) as well.


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Just for consideration: being over your maximum trailer weight can cause you warranty issues. Being over your GVWR or GAWR can cause you SAFETY issues.
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Weigh your truck as it would be loaded for camping -- people, full fuel, hitch, tool box, wood, generator -- anything and everything you'll carry in your truck. (If you don't have a hitch, etc., estimate.) Subtract that weight from the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) listed on your door jamb. The difference will be the maximum pin weight you should carry.

The 5er you're considering will have a pin weight of around 3000 pounds (+/- 300) when loaded for camping. That's a very heavy 30' 5er.

I'd also guess that the 5er is simply too much weight for your truck (by a large margin), but weighing the truck will likely give you the information you need for the decision.

If it's close you can proceed with caution, getting the weight of your rear axles and the pin weight of the 5er as it would be loaded for camping -- batteries, propane tanks, water, food, clothing, tools, camping gear, etc. Obviously some of that will need to be estimated also, but make the estimate as close as possible. Don't take the salesman's word for it unless it's in writing with an escape clause.

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Better to have too much truck than not enough..


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One day the truck that feels great at it's limits, will not feel so great when someone stops short and fast in front of you! But what the heck thats why you have insurance and attorneys for right?

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VincentL wrote:

I have 2009 2500 GMC hd diesel, with the full trailer package. I am looking at a used 2009 30rfksltd Sunnybrook FW. The dry wt is about 11,500lbs and the gross wt 16,000lbs. Specs on my truck are about 15,000lbs for a FW. Is this too close?. All comments welcome...Thank You



Dry weight is a joke, please don't go by that..NOBODY tows a 5er "dry", or "empty"..Now, GVWR of your 09 is 9200#...That 5er is too heavy for your truck, that's the down and ugly about it. I had an 03' Chevy 2500HD D/A,( same truck, no difference from 03 to 09 in GVWR), that I towed a Sandpiper 30' 5er with, GVW was 12,000#..no problem, THEN I wanted a bigger 5er, went with one that had a lighter GVW than the one OP is talking about...it was a 37' Coachmen Somerset with 3 slides, GVW of 14,500#...only loaded to about 13,900# and I was over my trucks GVWR by 900# when I ran it across the scales and it wasn't fully loaded, thus the reason I ended up with a dually...

I'm telling you FROM EXPERIENCE...that 5er is TOO HEAVY for your truck..oh, it'll tow it, BUT, don't know what damage you might do to the suspension, tranny (though Allison is bullet proof), or the engine over time..When I saw how much over I was, I got rid of my truck because I was dumb enough to buy the heavier 5er without thinking...You either need a lighter 5er or a bigger truck if you want the 15,000# 5er...it is what it is, been there done that and got the T-shirt, and it cost me a pile of money because I didn't think before I acted...don't make the same mistake I did...just saying..








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NC Hauler wrote:

VincentL wrote:

I have 2009 2500 GMC hd diesel, with the full trailer package. I am looking at a used 2009 30rfksltd Sunnybrook FW. The dry wt is about 11,500lbs and the gross wt 16,000lbs. Specs on my truck are about 15,000lbs for a FW. Is this too close?. All comments welcome...Thank You



Dry weight is a joke, please don't go by that..NOBODY tows a 5er "dry", or "empty"..Now, GVWR of your 09 is 9200#...That 5er is too heavy for your truck, that's the down and ugly about it. I had an 03' Chevy 2500HD D/A,( same truck, no difference from 03 to 09 in GVWR), that I towed a Sandpiper 30' 5er with, GVW was 12,000#..no problem, THEN I wanted a bigger 5er, went with one that had a lighter GVW than the one OP is talking about...it was a 37' Coachmen Somerset with 3 slides, GVW of 14,500#...only loaded to about 13,900# and I was over my trucks GVWR by 900# when I ran it across the scales and it wasn't fully loaded, thus the reason I ended up with a dually...

I'm telling you FROM EXPERIENCE...that 5er is TOO HEAVY for your truck..oh, it'll tow it, BUT, don't know what damage you might do to the suspension, tranny (though Allison is bullet proof), or the engine over time..When I saw how much over I was, I got rid of my truck because I was dumb enough to buy the heavier 5er without thinking...You either need a lighter 5er or a bigger truck if you want the 15,000# 5er...it is what it is, been there done that and got the T-shirt, and it cost me a pile of money because I didn't think before I acted...don't make the same mistake I did...just saying..






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NC hauler is absolutely right. I own one of those T shirts also. What you can tow and what you can tow safely are two different things.


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