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Posted: 07/25/12 09:59pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mooky stinks wrote:

midnightsadie wrote:

think this thru, fuel is filered at the factory,, filtered again when put in truck, filtered again when leaves truck ,filtered again at the pump filtered again in your vechicle.


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If I knew how many times I have filled with a tank truck filling while I am filling. I would loose track of finners and tow's! No issues as of yet. Seems to depend more on how big a fuel filter you have as to if you have issues.

Altho, it does not help if you leave a fuel cap off of a tank, when it rains, water does get in and causes MAJOR issues. Fortunetly, said motor is before the hpfp lettered diesel pumps out today!

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Posted: 07/26/12 05:02am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Fishy Old Man wrote:

Years ago it was a "no-no" in our area to purchase gasoline or diesel when the company was filling up their tanks. People that did (me-once) had immediately trouble with water and trash put into their tanks.

Is this a concern today?

Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated.



More of a concern today than ever before.

Especially with diesel and biofuels.

Gasoline now is regularly adulterated with ethanol, diesel with whatever biofuels can be stuffed in. Mostly legally, but sometimes, at the low volume stations that are often owned by certain ethnic groups, illegally.

The adulterating agents like untaxed ethanol, biodiesel, methanol etc. are now often cheaper than taxed gasoline, so there is huge incentive to dump a few hundred gallons in --- when the tank is nearly empty and then let the new fill dilute it.

Regardless, these new biofuel mixes are hydroscopic (absorb water), and they also stir up sediments including liquid contaminants that cannot be readily filtered out (e.g. emulsified water, adulterants like solvents, etc.)

Filters generally trap only sediment and then it might have a water blocker, which require a high relative surface tension between the two liquids.

It cannot filter out highly emulsified stuff (e.g. look at your shampoo, that is a emulsion).

Wait a day after the tank truck comes, and don't take unnecessary chances ---- though sometimes you have no choice.

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i have filled with truck dumping at the station no problems so far..only time my family has had any problem was the station got a load of something other than gas if i remember was a tanker of one of the additives they put in it started with an r would not burn period..they had to pay to fix a bunch of cars

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I used to think that one should not fill up when the tanker is there, but I've never had a problem if I do. One poster made a good point in that how do you know if he hadn't just pulled out.

However if there were two stations side by side and one was being service with a tanker, I would probably stop at the other one.

Mostly I think it's a non-issue.


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Posted: 07/26/12 06:52am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Current prices:

Ethanol: $2.13 / gallon

Methanol: $1.32 / gallon

SoyBiodiesel: $4.14 / gallon

Kerosene: $3.00 / gallon


That gives an idea of what can be used to adulterate fuel.

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Posted: 07/26/12 07:06am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Think the biggest problem would be the rare time the tanker puts the fuel in the wrong tank.


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If you don't see a filter on the pump, then its probably not filtered from the tank.
The big pumps the stations use have a large filter, but not the 5 micron or smaller that really strains the water and dirt out.

Of course different station brands, and owners vary with how the pumps are set up.


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NewsW wrote:

Current prices:

Ethanol: $2.13 / gallon

Methanol: $1.32 / gallon

SoyBiodiesel: $4.14 / gallon

Kerosene: $3.00 / gallon


That gives an idea of what can be used to adulterate fuel.

To be fair, including #2 diesel & gasoline prices:

Diesel Daily Price
2.91
New York Harbor Ultra-Low Sulfur No 2 Diesel Spot Price, US$ per gallon
As of: Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Source: US Energy Information Administration

Gasoline Daily Price
2.71
New York Harbor Conventional Gasoline Regular Spot Price FOB, US$ per gallon
As of: Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Source: US Energy Information Administration


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jims1 wrote:

If you don't see a filter on the pump, then its probably not filtered from the tank.
The big pumps the stations use have a large filter, but not the 5 micron or smaller that really strains the water and dirt out.

Of course different station brands, and owners vary with how the pumps are set up.

I've seen the covers off pumps in the past and a filter device is located in the bottom of the pump cabinet.


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