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RE: Grand Wagoneer vs RAM 1500
Are the more modest versions more in line with prices you'd expect for a Suburban or Expedition?
$87k IS the "modest" version...lol
The Grand Wagoneer isn’t made to compete with the Burb and the Expedition. It’s made to compete with the Escalade and Navigator, and is priced accordingly. The Wagoneer is designed to compete with the Burb and the Ex. There really isn’t a “base” model of either, they are all much better equipped at the lowest trim level, but when they are speced with similar options they are priced comparably.
Yup, Cadillac, Lincoln,.....Jeep. Those 3 belong in the same basket, yessireee!! :h
Have you looked at one? Or read any of the reviews? It sure doesn't sound like it.
I'll save you some time. Here is a MotorTrend comparison where it bests the Escalade
MotorTrend
Vs Navigator
AutoGuide Comparison
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Bionic Man
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01/18/22 08:29pm |
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RE: Grand Wagoneer vs RAM 1500
I do say that I think the price concerns are kind of funny. The same people that are squawking about $90k on a truly state of the art vehicle, something that has tech, safety features, and amenities that just weren't available even a few. years ago are often the same individuals that are willing to pay a similar amount (or more) on an RV that, especially when it comes to towable, is essentially the same trailer you could buy 10 years ago. In addition, the RV is something that will only be used a couple months a year, and a handful of trips per year for most people, vs a vehicle that would be used in most cases daily.
Different strokes for different folks. Must not be the target market, as the last time I checked, the GW is selling as quickly as it can be built. When I ordered my new GC in November, the Jeep dealer told me that the GW is one of only two vehicles that they wouldn't honor Employee Purchase price for ordering.
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Bionic Man
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01/18/22 05:09pm |
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RE: Grand Wagoneer vs RAM 1500
Are the more modest versions more in line with prices you'd expect for a Suburban or Expedition?
$87k IS the "modest" version...lol
The Grand Wagoneer isn’t made to compete with the Burb and the Expedition. It’s made to compete with the Escalade and Navigator, and is priced accordingly. The Wagoneer is designed to compete with the Burb and the Ex. There really isn’t a “base” model of either, they are all much better equipped at the lowest trim level, but when they are speced with similar options they are priced comparably.
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Bionic Man
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01/18/22 12:17pm |
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Grand Wagoneer vs RAM 1500
Head to head between the two. I see a real possibility of changing out of my Expedition (which admittedly has been a very good vehicle) to a GW before the end of the year.
clicky
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Bionic Man
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01/17/22 05:54pm |
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Curt BetterWeigh?
Curious if anyone has tried this? Looks like it would be interesting, if it is accurate. Mixed reviews on Amazon.
Clicky
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Bionic Man
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01/05/22 10:57pm |
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RE: Additional fuel tank
I put a 60 gallon RDS auxiliary tank into my truck when I bought it new 10 years ago. For me, it has been one of the best upgrades I could do to a truck. When I finally upgrade from this truck, I will 100% do it again.
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Bionic Man
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01/02/22 06:28pm |
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RE: this is why
Sounds like a good reason to move south. I have no desire to live anywhere where those temps are common.
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Bionic Man
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12/27/21 07:11pm |
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RE: Is all DEF the same?
$17,500 for a 1 year old GC? I don't know how you would pass on that. In today's market, that deal would be unheard of. I think I should get around $20k for my 2014 with 100,000 miles.
To bring it back to topic, here is a photo of mine towing a Lund that I flipped earlier this year. The EcoDiesel makes a great tow engine for a fishing boat. And is a very good every day driver. And it doesn't use much DEF.
https://i.imgur.com/kkUMm39l.jpg
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Bionic Man
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12/25/21 10:55pm |
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RE: Is all DEF the same?
I think the bigger story is the shortage of DEF due to Urea and China holding back shipments of this raw material. The next big story will be a shortage of fertilizer.
Shortage is in S Korea and Australia. Spreading "shortage" stories like this only creates panic buying.
No one on several other forums I frequent has reported not being able to find DEF. Even the poorly stocked Wal Mart near me has 3 different brands of DEF available.
I'll just put my blindfolds on and the problem will go away.
I've read a couple places that DEF will soon be in short supply, but I haven't seen it yet. All the gas stations still seem to have it available. That said, when I was in Walmart this week I picked up two jugs just to be safe (plenty there too). That should get me well past the time my new Jeep is built, and the current one is happily with another owner.
I hope that prediction isn't correct (although I don't doubt it). That could really put further limitations on an already strained supply chain.
I've been to a couple of Wal Marts, Tractor Supply Co., and O Reily's parts store and their DEF shelves were empty.
Off topic but what type of Jeep did you order?
2022 Grand Cherokee L Summit with the Hemi. I really wanted to like the Gladiator EcoDiesel (I know that some dislike that engine, but the one in my current GC is nothing short of fabulous) but I wanted something more luxurious. Couldn't get away from the GC once I looked at the new model.
The Grand Cherokee is on my wifes list to look at as we will need to purchase another vehicle. We want something with 4 wheel drive.
A guy as work just retired his Ram 1500 and purchased a Gladiator that looks really nice with the BF Goodrich mud tires. He paid out the door $59k for it. I think he could have purchased a really nice full size truck for that price.
I test drove the Gladiator, and it actually exceeded my expectations. Looks are subjective, but I think that is the ugliest truck on the market in a low level trim with regular tires. But go up to Rubicon or Mojave and big tires and I really like them.
You are right, you aren't saving much $ vs a 1500, especially when you option them out. But that isn't what it is all about. I wouldn't consider a full size as it would take up too much room in the garage, and limit my parking choices on my weekly trips to the airport and the parking garage there.
I really like the GC. The L has an improved ride, and they really went all-out with the new interior. It is a very nice package.
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Bionic Man
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12/25/21 07:16am |
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RE: Is all DEF the same?
I think the bigger story is the shortage of DEF due to Urea and China holding back shipments of this raw material. The next big story will be a shortage of fertilizer.
Shortage is in S Korea and Australia. Spreading "shortage" stories like this only creates panic buying.
No one on several other forums I frequent has reported not being able to find DEF. Even the poorly stocked Wal Mart near me has 3 different brands of DEF available.
I'll just put my blindfolds on and the problem will go away.
I've read a couple places that DEF will soon be in short supply, but I haven't seen it yet. All the gas stations still seem to have it available. That said, when I was in Walmart this week I picked up two jugs just to be safe (plenty there too). That should get me well past the time my new Jeep is built, and the current one is happily with another owner.
I hope that prediction isn't correct (although I don't doubt it). That could really put further limitations on an already strained supply chain.
I've been to a couple of Wal Marts, Tractor Supply Co., and O Reily's parts store and their DEF shelves were empty.
Off topic but what type of Jeep did you order?
2022 Grand Cherokee L Summit with the Hemi. I really wanted to like the Gladiator EcoDiesel (I know that some dislike that engine, but the one in my current GC is nothing short of fabulous) but I wanted something more luxurious. Couldn't get away from the GC once I looked at the new model.
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Bionic Man
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12/24/21 09:47pm |
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RE: Is all DEF the same?
I think the bigger story is the shortage of DEF due to Urea and China holding back shipments of this raw material. The next big story will be a shortage of fertilizer.
Shortage is in S Korea and Australia. Spreading "shortage" stories like this only creates panic buying.
No one on several other forums I frequent has reported not being able to find DEF. Even the poorly stocked Wal Mart near me has 3 different brands of DEF available.
I'll just put my blindfolds on and the problem will go away.
I've read a couple places that DEF will soon be in short supply, but I haven't seen it yet. All the gas stations still seem to have it available. That said, when I was in Walmart this week I picked up two jugs just to be safe (plenty there too). That should get me well past the time my new Jeep is built, and the current one is happily with another owner.
I hope that prediction isn't correct (although I don't doubt it). That could really put further limitations on an already strained supply chain.
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Bionic Man
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12/24/21 03:20pm |
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RE: Is all DEF the same?
I use the stuff from Walmart that is about 1/3 the price of Peak. If you really want Peak, find them on instagram and you can print a $5 rebate per box, through 1/10/22.
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Bionic Man
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12/23/21 11:08am |
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RE: back to gas v diesel
I had a '15 3500 with a 6.0 and 4:10's while I had a '15 3500 Duramax at the same time. The 6.0 was never set up to pull the TH, but it did haul equipment as did the Duramax. Loads were pretty heavy (last scaled weight I remember with the 6.0 was 31K combined). The 6.0 would get 5-6 mpg. The Duramax would get around 9 pulling the same loads. The diesel clearly pulled much better, but I never saw anywhere near the separation some claim between the two.
Your numbers show a 50% increase in fuel economy between the 6.0 and the Duramax. And there really is no comparison in the way the two tow. What are you referring to when you say "I never saw anywhere near the separation some claim between the two"?
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Bionic Man
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12/23/21 10:56am |
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RE: Place your bets now!
I really like the 10 speed in my Expedition MAX. My 3rd favorite transmission. The cam shaft rattle the engine has, not so much......
At least they have parts available to fix the truck. Kind of surprised that is the case with the way things are today.
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Bionic Man
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12/17/21 11:39am |
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RE: 2021 Dodge 3500 Diesel ??
I guess I don't understand looking for feedback after a vehicle has been purchased?
My personal opinion (which is all you're getting here is opinions) is that all 3 are very good vehicles. No surprise, if I were buying today, it would be a RAM.
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Bionic Man
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12/07/21 09:03pm |
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RE: Who is using swivel wheel/Idaho Tote type carriers ?
What size utility trailers are you dbl tow folks using ? DWs golf car will go on a 5/10 but if I go this route would like a bit bigger such as 6/12 ( gotta measure my total length now to be sure how long can I go ). Also does the 2nd trailer track behind the 5er or to the inside during a turn ?
I’ve double towed a lot. Sometimes with boats. Sometimes with flatbeds with ATVs. My old boat was 21’ which meant close to 25’ of trailer length.
All my trailers have tracked the same as the RV.
Again, take it for what it’s worth, but I never had any problems going through states where my length was more than the legal limit. If you have a well set up unit, and don’t drive like an idiot, you won’t draw attention.
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Bionic Man
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11/28/21 12:01pm |
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RE: Recall of 19/20 Ram Cummins 6.7 diesels
Isn't the Bosch pump used in most of the 3.0 diesels? Are they immune from these problems for some reason?
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Bionic Man
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11/22/21 07:53pm |
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RE: Additional fuel carrying capacity on pickup
“Stress of looking for fuel”. Now that’s down right funny, what no cell phone???
You have not driven the northern regions of British Columbia, northern Alberta, large areas of Alaska & Newfoundland where cell service does not exist have you?
Nonsense. That is what his 5 gallon yellow can is for.........
Once he upgrades his truck and has a larger OEM fuel tank, he will be loudly singing the praises of extra fuel. Until then, what he has is best. ;)
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Bionic Man
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11/22/21 06:48pm |
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RE: Additional fuel carrying capacity on pickup
Lol. Who cares if the OP has 20 gallons or 26 gallons capacity? Either way, that isn’t nearly enough.
Check the Titan replacement tank of the RDS auxiliary tank. I have an RDS 60 gallon. I don’t have a tonneau cover but if I did, it would still work.
The auxiliary tank is one of my favorite things of my truck. Works great.
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Bionic Man
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11/18/21 11:40pm |
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RE: RAM Trx on the Nurburgring
KRAZY...fast for a 3 ton vehicle. I like the sound of those solid gear changes. Wonder if Ram gives it a tow rating.
8100 pounds
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Bionic Man
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10/28/21 09:03pm |
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