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RE: Jack Failure Disaster

I'm happy to report the new jacking setup worked great and I got my camper loaded back up safe and sound. I feel much smarter about the procedure and really appreciate all the help everyone provided. I will be delivering my camper to my painter Saturday and will post pictures when I get it back.
DanLevitan 05/11/22 06:52pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

mkirsch, My camper originally had 3 wing mounted jacks but when I got it 2 of the 3 had rotted off. During the rebuild I switch to 4 corner jacks but hind sight being 20/20 I realize I didn't sufficiently beef up the corners enough to safety use the corner jacks. Now that the interior is back together I was hesitant to undertake the proper corner improvements to keep using the corner jacks. Just too much to take back apart for access. I also never liked when I used the 4 jacks how one was always unseated. Switching back to 3 jacks was an easier choice as all the work was on the outside and was pretty easy. If I had the money I would love a Stable-lift but they are just way too expensive.
DanLevitan 05/07/22 06:13pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

Thanks for the jacking advice. I played around with the jacks a bunch this morning. I really like having three feet that stay seated. I got it level and installed a couple level gauges on the corner. I had always "eyeballed" it before and now I see that was a big mistake. I started out raising it 1/2" at a time, then 1" which is 5 turns for me. Those little levels are very sensitive. I now realize I was going way too much at a time before. I may stick to the hand crank for a while till I feel more comfortable. I took the opportunity before I load it to confirm my CG. I balanced the camper on a beam until I found it's happy place. It turns out my CG was only 1 1/4" aft of the original middle jack point. I'm happy because I thought I might have to move my A/C from the rear to a more centered spot, but now I think it's okay as is. I got the camper high enough to repair the spot where my black/gray tank T-handle brackets smashed through the LP compartment when it fell. I ended up using a bottle jack to undent the metal LP box and put it all back together as the rain started. Today I also got a good look at the plumbing that got crushed. Looks like I have to replace everything on the outlet side of the black and gray tank shutoff valves down. It sucked the first time, so I'm not looking forward to the sequel. Fortunately I can make those repairs on the truck. Tomorrow should be a good day to load her back on the truck. I'm still not excited about taking it to load height, but the more I use the jacks the more comfortable I get. Thanks again for all the feedback.
DanLevitan 05/07/22 05:52pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

I finally have all three jacks reinstalled. They are mounted under the wing now instead of the four jacks I previously had on the corners. The mounts I built are heavy duty and run the entire width of each wing. Additionally I added 3/4" plywood the full length of each wing to provide added support. I moved the jack points rearward about 5" to account for a calculated shift in the CG since the A/C and gray tank were not OEM installed. I jacked it up a few inches tonight and it was still creepy although I'm probably a little gun shy after recent events. There was creaking I never noticed with the corner jacks. It did seem the right rear jack was already deflecting forward even with the little bit I raised it. I hammered the foot back straight before lowering it back on the pallets. I have a question for anyone with experience with truck campers with ONLY 3 jacks. Is the procedure different than with 4? Do I still need to keep the front 4" higher than the rear? Seems level is better for 3 legs. How do you handle jack deflection? My aircraft jacking experience makes me want to hit the foot back straight when I notice it. Here it is standing on it's own 3 feet. I hope to have it back in my truck this weekend. https://i.imgur.com/dFiceY4l.jpg
DanLevitan 05/05/22 07:03pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

That would be great! Yes the wing board was a pain to remove. When I fixed mine I removed the right side completely. The left wasn't as rotted and I spliced in just the outer half.
DanLevitan 04/17/22 05:58am Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

Hey Bedlam, it might but frankly I don't want to try the corners anymore. I'm a bit gun shy at this point. Also, I know the wing brackets worked fine for this camper for many years so I think thats the route I'm going to go. I would like to see how the grid integrated the wing mounts if you have any pictures David. I might make my own grid. It looks pretty straight forward. Actually my V-wall was a total loss and had to be duplicated. That was a fun project. I was shocked it turned out good on the first try. Stuffing it back in the front and getting everything lined up was a treat. Thanks Notsobigjoe. It's been a labor of love. BTW, I'm in NC, south of Raleigh.
DanLevitan 04/16/22 07:40pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

Hi Dave. Thanks for the file. I had read it before several time along with many of your posts, but for some reason I could never see any of the pictures so I very much appreciate you sending it to me. I can finally understand what the "grid" is. I wish I had one on my camper. I assumed it was only on the models that opted for the Safe-t-jacks. Your posts were so helpful during my retrofit. I also beefed up the corners but not nearly to the extent you described. I have done a ton of work to this camper over the last year and a half and have only begun to camp with it. I'm still tweaking stuff. The shower is a good example. The drain was higher than the flat floor. I would end up standing in two inches of water. I'm in the middle of raising the floor with fiberglass bondo adding a slope down to the drain. I've done everything from the wood repair under both wings and 90% of the cabover, new sheetmetal in areas, all new gas piping, wiring, tanks, updated water heater, new furnace, and really too much to list. I have enjoyed this project very much, but look forward to just camping with it and not working on it so much. Once I fix the damage from the tip she is off to get painted. https://i.imgur.com/CoYfoNGl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/OCgL3tVl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/ZfCtZUUl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/G8ekC1Tl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/aClIOLHl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/Di5bqPMl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/0M63KbFl.jpg This one is the day I picked her up. We used two forklifts to put her on my trailer.https://i.imgur.com/Ay11Apwl.jpg
DanLevitan 04/15/22 04:37pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

The piece I want to mount the jack to with the three pinch rings was originally a piece of steel I-beam we had left over at work. I cut off part of the "I" and turned it into a "T". I hope to bolt it onto the wing brackets for loading and unloading with 4 each 3/4" bolts and it wouldn't be attached to the camper at all. I can't image it will flex much into the camper or side to side as it is a very stout chunk of metal. My old tripod bolted to the same bracket also, but this adapts the corner jack to the wing style lift bracket. I started making the three new wing brackets today and hope to have them done next week. The old one in the picture has seen better days and I have plenty of steel to pull out of the scrap bin to work with. I had read exoskeleton article and was impressed but I hope to try something less aggressive. Thanks for the feedback.
DanLevitan 04/15/22 01:11pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

Thanks for the pointers. It's great to get insight from everyone. There should be a sticker on truck campers that says "when lowered incorrectly it can F you up!" Live and learn. I included a couple picture of what I'm thinking of doing with my jacks to keep them off the corners as I'm now a bit gun shy of remounting them there. It's just a mock-up but it looks promising to me. I'd welcome your feedback. https://i.imgur.com/tuLhFZpl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/OREx6iKl.jpg
DanLevitan 04/14/22 08:00pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

I have an idea of going back to the three wing mounted brackets and modifying an I-beam so I can use the corner jacks in the place of the tripod jacks that would otherwise mount to that type of bracket. I want to keep having a single foot per jack as it seems the tripod feet have to all be on the same plane to keep the jack wanting to move vertical. Also I don't like the idea of the tires contacting the tripod base when backing under the camper. I hope to mock something up during my lunch break tomorrow and will post a picture to get feedback. Going from four jacks to three seems weird but I like the idea of keeping all my jacks seated though-out the procedure and I know that is tricky with four manual jacks. I wish I could afford motorized jacks that would move in unison but that isn't in the cards.
DanLevitan 04/13/22 08:03pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

Yes the rear mounts only had the upper portion. I can see where I would have benefitted from having the lower mounts too. Also check out this picture of the twisted swinging bracket. Its pretty gnarly. It was the front left. The one that peeled off. The left rear then seems to have folded under and doesn't have any twist to it. https://i.imgur.com/V5z9hMxl.jpg
DanLevitan 04/13/22 07:47pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

I was taking it off my truck and was lowering it on the pallets. The stack was higher at the time. Gosh, I didn't think this was too sloppy but I will be more careful if this would give you pause. Here is a different viewhttps://i.imgur.com/7qSFewWl.jpg
DanLevitan 04/12/22 06:01pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

I used black duct tape to seal up the skin until I can repair. It didn't even break any glass! It did snap off my sewer line so I'll have to redo Black and Gray manifold again which was a bear last time. The left rear jack folded under and crunched up my LP box pretty good. I got off very lucky. https://i.imgur.com/pGVuc8Cl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rgDNabdl.jpg This is shortly before the mishap. I was getting it ready for a professional paint job and had been trying out paint ideas with rattle cans. You can see the jacks still on here. https://i.imgur.com/ag3ZTLnl.jpg
DanLevitan 04/12/22 05:44pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

Yeah I think I was lucky for the round roof. When she fell, she rolled until it bumped the A/C unit and rebounded to the side again.
DanLevitan 04/12/22 05:19pm Truck Campers
RE: Jack Failure Disaster

Thanks for the replies and the link to post pictures. https://i.imgur.com/N7odCQAl.jpg I can say the wood frame is 100% free from rot. I removed all the skin up above the windows and replaced all the bad wood last year. During my retrofit I learned a lot from reading the posts on this site from another Travel Queen restoration and know he successfully used corner jacks after beefing up the mount points which I also did. I do wish I had through bolted the brackets in hind sight. Regardless of the mounts though I know it was the twist that yanked the brackets out and preventing twist is most interesting to me. My 1968 Travel Queen is similar to an Avion in looks and age however I know little else about Avions. I don't know which end was higher when I began, although I will keep that in mind going forward. I did start lowering from the rear first which may have been a factor. In the past it seemed unavoidable to keep all four legs on the ground. There was always one leg unseated as I worked my way around. Sometimes by an inch or more. Maybe I have been retracting too much at once with an estimated two inches. I'm sure the feet didn't sink, but I didn't use anything under the feet, just dirt. I'm sure the original system was three wing mounted brackets using tripods and I am thinking about going back to it. I've jacked many aircraft with 3 points and it makes sense to me, but I have wondered if it's more stable why modern camper use 4. I saw the Stable-Lift system and thought that would be a solution till I saw the price tag. Maybe I'll weld my own system up to mimic it. Thanks again for everyone's input and I agree the most important thing is no one got hurt.
DanLevitan 04/12/22 04:43pm Truck Campers
Jack Failure Disaster

I had a terrible experience yesterday when I tried to unload my camper which resulted in my camper falling over on its side in my front yard. It happened so fast I'm not exactly sure where it went wrong. I'm new to truck camper loading and unloading and have only done it three times before so my experience level is likely a contributing factor but hope to get input so I can never have another jack disaster. Shortly after I drove my truck out from under my camper and began lowering it things start going literally sideways. I have manual crank corner mounted jacks and use my cordless to lower in about two inch increments rotating to each jack. I think I was on my second rotation around the camper when I noticed the camper was twisting on the jacks. When the right rear foot was behind the camper rather than beside it I new things were different than my previous attempts. I was able to kick the foot back towards the side but that only amplified the twist on the other jacks. I went back to the previous jack and went up some thinking I could undo whatever influence I was causing but I saw the mount beginning to peel off the camper. At this point I knew it was a lost cause and had to bail out as the jacks on the other side folded under and the camper dropped. It took a visit from a recovery company to upright it to it's current legless resting spot in my front lawn. Thank goodness I don't have an HOA because it's not going anywhere fast. The damage was actually less than expected but still several weekends worth. I have spent the last year and a half going through this camper from top to bottom including removing most of the skin and replacing lots and lots of rotten wood. It made my heart ache to see it on the ground. A little background. This camper originally used three wing mounted tripod jacks to do the heavy lifting. Some models had a fancy Safe-T-Jack system but this one didn't. Only two of the original rusty jacks and one mounting bracket remained when I took possession. The others had rotted away and were lost. During the rebuild of structure I decided to beef up the corners to accommodate four Reico Titan manual corner jacks. I remember being reluctant when the new jack mounts came with wood screws but I decided to trust the process and that's what I used. No though bolts. Possibly corners mounts were not as strong as they should have been. Other possible factors. Last week I upgraded the water tank from a 10 gallon to a 27 gallon. I had filled it up for a leak check. I didn't think to empty the tank prior to unloading the camper so it weighed a good 230 pounds heavier than prior attempts. I haven't yet weighed this camper but I guess its 3000ish. The hard pack ground where I was unloading the camper was nearly level, but not exactly level. It was not windy. Maybe this was a combination of factors but I'm reaching out so I can try and learn as much as possible for next time.
DanLevitan 04/11/22 04:47pm Truck Campers
RE: Poorly planned purchase of Torklift Rear tie downs

Thanks for the links. I can definitely make the 2" one work. My hope is someone has figured out how to upgrade their hitch to the 2 1/2" with the C3206 brackets. I always struggle finding old discussions when I search for them on forums. I'll try again though since this might be previously covered ground. Thanks again Bob and Joe.
DanLevitan 04/07/22 02:12pm Truck Campers
Poorly planned purchase of Torklift Rear tie downs

So I installed my Torklift tie downs a few months ago and got the rear model C3206 to fit my OEM 2" hitch. Now that I'm wanting to pull a small sailboat trailer I see I need an extension around 30 inches to clear my overhang. The longest extension is 18" which would put my ball about a foot under my camper. A call to Torklift confirms my fear that to put an aftermarket 2 1/2"hitch would require different rear tie down mounts. Ugh. They even said the Torklift Super hitch with is drilled to accept torklift tie downs are for the other style tie down. Seems like I have two odd options if I don't change the tie down; tow with the ball under my camper 12" or find a old OEM 2 1/2" hitch for my 2001 Silverado. I can't find any legal guidance on having a recessed ball although I know it's odd. If my turning clearance is good on my trailer/boat this seems do-able. Finding an old upgrade hitch seems unlikely after some searching. Has anyone installed an aftermarket hitch with the C3206? I'm hoping there is a brand out there that would work that Torklift doesn't want me to know about. I don't mind springing for a better hitch but it's tough to stomach changing out the rear tie downs already. My trailer and tongue weight are very light and even with factoring 50% capacity accounting for an extension weight isn't an issue. Thanks in advance.
DanLevitan 04/06/22 10:19pm Truck Campers
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