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RE: Buying a Former Rental Class C. How many of us out there?

When you purchase a motor home from CA do they take care of obtaining Registration and payment of Sales Tax? Do they also try to load up your purchase with other incidentals like Dealer Prep, etc., etc? Also, are you able to negotiate the final price before signing or is the price pretty well fixed?
Floridastorm 11/18/20 11:35am Class C Motorhomes
RE: Independent Pricing of New and Used Motorhomes

3) Dealer prices are always higher than NADA. They are in it to make money. Private sales are all over the place because most haven't got a clue what it's worth. Dealers also have overhead to pay (employee pay, benefits, leasing/building costs, utilities, etc), and private parties do not. Yes, they are in place to make money, but they also have an extensive list of costs that you and I don't factor in. In my experience NADA was not even in the ballpark. I sold a trailer 6 years ago for $21k and NADA was $8k. The problem is many lenders use NADA for loan guidance. I suggest you do a lot of research and looking. You will soon get a real good idea of what is a good price or a poor price. You may walk away from some good deals but when you see a great deal you will know immediately. I agree with the above, condition is the key. Agree, but expect any private party buyer to quote NADA values. You should go through Craigslist, Facebook, and other sites to have a ballpark of what comparables are and be ready to defend you pricing should it be more. The one thing I will add - If you are buying and planning to (re)sell and upgrade (for example), consider what you are buying and how many of that type exist on Craigslist, Facebook, and other sites. If there are hundreds of available then you are going to be one of those when you go to (re)sell. In other words, good luck. You are never going to go wrong if you over research ; ) All of the dealer pricing that I have seen bounced against the NADA pricing shows the dealer pricing considerably lower or equal to the NADA pricing which surprised me. Most of the private party pricing has always been much higher than the NADA pricing which I think bears out that most private sellers don't seem to know much about NADA where the dealers are in the business of knowing what an RV is worth. Just my observation which could be wrong for various reasons.
Floridastorm 11/17/20 12:31pm General RVing Issues
Independent Pricing of New and Used Motorhomes

When researching Motor homes for potential purchase it's paramount that you are able to determine a ball park figure that you are willing to pay. Unlike the automobile market, where the Kelly Blue Book value will get you some fairly credible idea on pricing, the RV market does not really have any way to determine this outside of the NADA RV website. I have no idea if the NADA prices are accurate as some of the used motor homes are priced at let's say $20,000 from private parties and NADA shows their value at $6,000. However, I do notice that the NADA pricing for motor homes sold by dealers is quite a bit lower than the advertised price with those dealers. Can one count on the NADA pricing being somewhat accurate especially if you are buying from a dealer? For some of you out there that have purchased RVs how do you know what is a fair price to pay whether it is from a private party or from a dealer? :?
Floridastorm 11/17/20 10:21am General RVing Issues
RE: Honest RV Dealers - Are there any?

If your looking for a better price and not worried about service after the sale there are wholesale dealers you could try, we ought our unit at International RV Wholesalers in Elkhart In. about 30 minutes from the factory and have not set foot back at the dealer. There is also RV Wholesaler and Jeff Couch in Ohio and Terrytown in Mi. I only mentioned this as you mentioned about buying direct from the factory. Now they will also deliver to you at a added cost and also it depends if they carry the brand you are looking for. Good luck on your search. Thank You.
Floridastorm 11/17/20 07:19am General RVing Issues
RE: Honest RV Dealers - Are there any?

We have purchased from Tri-Am and was satisfied. We sometimes buy parts from them, have had parts installed and never had any problems at all. Ryan Perkins is one of the owners and if you have any questions you need to talk to him. I agree I wouldn't touch Camping World with a 10' pole. Good Luck! I thought that Tri-Am was on the up and up as they have been in business for maybe 30 years here in Ocala. However, I did see some bad reviews lately, Also, they apparently are not dealing much in Class C's which I am interested in. I will possibly give them a try based upon your review.
Floridastorm 11/16/20 09:12pm General RVing Issues
Honest RV Dealers - Are there any?

In my area of Florida there are about 4 or 5 RV dealers that I have heard about. None of what I have heard is very assuring. Of course I have never heard anything assuring about automobile dealers either. The dealers that I have heard having negative opinions expressed in my area, Ocala, Florida, is Tri-Am, Optimum, General, Camping World, and Lazydays in the Tampa area. As such, it would be helpful to hear from folks that have purchased either a new or used motor home from a dealer in the north central to northern area of Florida that you were satisfied with; Ocala, Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa, Sarasota, etc. Would even be willing to go further south or north to southern Georgia. Another thought brings me to the manufacturer. Is it possible to drive to the manufacturer's plant and purchase direct? Can one save any money doing the purchase this way? Once again, thanks for any and all info provided. My Best, :D Dave
Floridastorm 11/16/20 01:57pm General RVing Issues
RE: Buying a Former Rental Class C. How many of us out there?

Would appreciate additional info from folks that bought one of the late model previous rental units before I finally make a trip down to Orlando to speak with one of the sales reps. Considering the Class C 23A Model. *How much of a down payment is required and how many years of financing is available through CA? *I would imagine the interest rate depends on FICO score. But were their rates competitive? *Do they allow for an independent RV inspection prior to signing the Purchase Agreement? *Will they abide by the independent inspection and repair anything noted on the inspection report? *Is their 3 month warranty for power train only? *Did you have to have anything done under that warranty? Thanks again for any and all info provided. I don't know how much I can help you regarding financing as I paid cash for mine, (Majestic 23A), but why don't you call the CA sales rep. at where you will be buying the unit and ask them these questions? Once you know the answers then you could contact your own banker to compare rates and terms? CA likely does the financing through a third party, and you may be able to get financing at better terms on your own. They did allow a local inspection service to go over my rig prior to my arrival. I also had the inspection service take samples of the engine and transmision fluids and send them off for testing. Everything was good on my unit, and when I picked it up it was in "rentable" condition. Expect some dings and scratches, you are buying a used vehicle. The fluid annalyse, if it had come back that the engine was in poor condition would have been a deal breaker for me. The inspection service will tell you in what condition they found the coach in (my report was over 100 pages long-vey picture heavy). Again, expect the coach to be in "rental" or serviceable condition. More than likely, they don't have the facilities or parts at the the location your buying from to change out the a/c for example, so it's up to you if you want to accept the unit the way it is. Remember, you are buying the unit "as is." Don't expect them to fix every/any flaw the inspection service may find, but do expect the unit to be in rentable condition. Their 3 month warranty, as far as I was concerned was for drive train only, that's why I highly suggest you have the fluid samples taken and have their report in hand before you pick the coach up. It's peace of mind to know the engine and transmision are in good condition. If these vehicles have been regularly serviced (and they are,) and you keep that service up, you should get another 3-400,000 miles out of them. I have not had a reason for any warranty work, nor would I hesitate to recommend a CA formal rental to anyone. What to expect- Your buying a used motorhome, it'll have some dings and scratches. It gives the motorhome some character, and you'll add dings and scratches to it too. On the plus side, if you've read the complaints that the buyers of new motorhomes have, you're beyond all that. The things that got screwed up at the factory have long been fixed. More than likely, you'll be working on maintenance items, which every motor home has. The motor will have fresh oil. They change the oil every 5,000 miles. I recommend you do the same. I am going to have the transmission serviced soon, because I'm annal,not because it needs it. But I want to know that it's been done, and when it was done. If you plan on using the generator much, change it's oil now. And sometime in the near future, change to oil in the rear end. I doubt if that's ever been changed. The shocks and steering control are at the end of their life and are the ones Ford put on at the factory which are not that good to begin with. I'm putting heavy duty Bilstien's on mine next week. I bought them on Amazon at $95.00 each. I'm having it done at a repair shop that works on semi's. Most repair shops can't handle a rig as big as a motorhome. After I get the new shocks, I'll have the front end aligned. I greased the front end myself and it looked like it had been awhile since that had been done. If you don't have one, buy a caulking gun and some tubes of caulk and go over the whole unit. They may have missed some spots around windows, etc and you don't want any water intrusion. Pay attention to where the body of the coach joins up with the floor and caulk in that area, particularly around the rear wheels. I get a lot of dust in my unit from these areas, but I'm running mine on gravel roads a lot too. Finally, when you pick the unit up, they should give you a booklet in how to use the unit-itll be the same booklet they give renters. They should also give you some additional paperwork on how to winterize the unit. As soon as the unit is yours, go camping for a few days. It should have some propane and fresh water in it, but you'll want to add more. By using the camper as soon as you get it, if you find out the a/c doesn't work, for example, you're on firmer ground if you want warranty work done. If you wait two months and something doesn't work, you'll likely hear "well, it was working when you left here." I purchased the same unit you're looking at and have been very happy with my mine. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask me or this forum. If you don't get the information on how to winterize the unit, I can send you a copy of mine. Best of luck with your purchase! -Booner Thank you sir for a very comprehensive answer. It is most appreciated and helpful, to say the least. And, I will be taking your advice. In reference to: "I don't know how much I can help you regarding financing as I paid cash for mine, (Majestic 23A), but why don't you call the CA sales rep. at where you will be buying the unit and ask them these questions? Once you know the answers then you could contact your own banker to compare rates and terms? CA likely does the financing through a third party, and you may be able to get financing at better terms on your own". The reason that I come on the Open Roads Forum is to get educated opinions from experienced RVers like yourself on a full range of issues before I confront people in the industry who are going to tell me what is best for them and not necessarily what is best for me. I do realize that I can ask these questions from a CA salesperson. But, would rather know beforehand.
Floridastorm 11/15/20 12:12pm Class C Motorhomes
RE: Aluminum Framed Vacumn Bonded Lamination

I guess the thing is to find an aluminum framed structure that uses the Azdel process in their manufacturing. At least that would be better than wood framed non Adzel processing. I'm wondering if the processing is the same for Class C motorhomes as it is for travel trailers? I'm aware that the quality control in the manufacturing process, irrespective of Aluminum and Azdel, is pretty poor for all RVs. RVs are expensive enough but imagine when you get into the really high end RVs that possibly the quality control is better.
Floridastorm 11/12/20 07:55am Class C Motorhomes
RE: Aluminum Framed Vacumn Bonded Lamination

Azdel is only one step better. As they say, Azdel is not going to save the day if water leaks inside the bonded wall composite. They are still not built well, still need constant maintenance and still delaminate, glue is involved. Back in 2017/2018 when rvs were still sitting on dealers lots not being maintained for 2 years, you could see, on some models, where the sidewalls were beginning to ripple from glue separation in Azdel rvs. In todays covid market and low interest rates RV's don't sit, they move. At the 2 or 3 year mark, you are out of warranty and the problem is yours. There is a lot of real ownership info out there , scroll thru https://forums.trailerlife.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/29747235/srt/pa/pging/1/page/3.cfm Excellent. :)
Floridastorm 11/12/20 07:48am Class C Motorhomes
Aluminum Framed Vacumn Bonded Lamination

Does anyone know the manufacturers that use this process on their motorhomes? From my understanding it is the best manufacturing process to ward against leaks and water damage. I know that Jayco uses this process but not sure about others.
Floridastorm 11/11/20 09:17pm Class C Motorhomes
RE: Buying a Former Rental Class C. How many of us out there?

Would appreciate additional info from folks that bought one of the late model previous rental units before I finally make a trip down to Orlando to speak with one of the sales reps. Considering the Class C 23A Model. *How much of a down payment is required and how many years of financing is available through CA? *I would imagine the interest rate depends on FICO score. But were their rates competitive? *Do they allow for an independent RV inspection prior to signing the Purchase Agreement? *Will they abide by the independent inspection and repair anything noted on the inspection report? *Is their 3 month warranty for power train only? *Did you have to have anything done under that warranty? Thanks again for any and all info provided.
Floridastorm 11/11/20 12:51pm Class C Motorhomes
RE: Roadside Assistance Plans Specific Coverage

Hello Floridastorm, Thank you for your inquiry, Good Sam Roadside Assistance does include trip interruption assistance. Please see the below link for the inclusions. membership. https://images.goodsam.com/goodsamroadside.com/mbb/GRA%2058263_Rev%205.2020_Platinum_plus.pdf Please let us know if we can be of further assistance. Have a good day. Thank you, Ella Good Sam Customer Care Team From how I read the coverage it states accident and does not state breakdown. Trip Interruption Assistance for When Accidents Happen "If you have an accident more than 100 miles from home, we will reimburse you up to $1,500 for all eligible expenses, such as, meals, lodging and car rental while your vehicle is getting repaired". Possibly in the actual contract it includes breakdown.
Floridastorm 11/11/20 10:28am Good Sam Roadside Assistance
RE: Are the campgrounds full in your area?

I've been considering purchasing a motor home for quite some time. As of late I notice that there are very few reasonably priced used MHs available out there. My understanding is that due to the virus hysteria and panic, along with most means of transportation either curtailed or requiring draconian regulations, that so many people are buying RVs. The RV market has basically dried up unless you are able to purchase new. I also think that this is the reason why so many RV Parks and Campgrounds are packed. With nowhere to travel by plane, train, and cruise ships, possibly millions of people are seeking other means. Traveling long distances in one's car is tiring and costly. So, the next best thing is an RV. For those of us that don't feature spending overnight in a Walmart or Rest Stop an RV park or campground is a necessity. As such I am seriously reconsidering any purchase now or in the near future. :(My feelings exactly. I thought it was semi-tough pre-covid to get good spots it must be insane now trying to get in somewhere. I suspect many great RV deals in the near future. In the mean time, plenty of FR-3's and Ace's for sale lol. As an alternative to RV parks and boondocking I wonder if just staying in motels/hotels would work out. I know that motels or hotels are somewhat more expensive than RV parks and for some people would defeat the purpose of having an RV, but at least you are not jammed into tight quarters and having to put up with all sorts of park regulations not to mention setting up and tearing down the unit.
Floridastorm 11/07/20 07:05am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Roadside Assistance Plans Specific Coverage

The Good Sam Extended Service Plan does. Reimbursement up to 10 days. $100.00 per day for meals and lodging and up to $60.00 per day for rental car costs. JimR Are you sure that the Good Sam plan reimburses in the event of a breakdown? I read it as in the event of an accident. Yes I quoted from my Good Sam Extended Service Plan under the Gold Terms and Conditions Service Plan under Trip Interruption. I have a Class A Motorhome. If I need a tow I will call my tow company and then have Good Sam pay for the covered repair. Under conditions I can get reimbursement for motel and food and a rental car. If I have a collision my insurance or the other guys will cover the cost of the repair in that policy I do believe I have car rental and not sure about any other coverage for motel or meals. JimR Possibly I just read the fine print incorrectly. I thought it odd that it only covered lodging and food for an accident and not a breakdown.
Floridastorm 11/07/20 06:57am Good Sam Roadside Assistance
Not Utilizing RV Parks or Boondocking

Just wondering how many RV folks choose not to use RV Parks and places like Walmart or boon docking to overnight? Instead using motels, hotels, or AIRbnb. It would seem that it may defeat the purpose of having an RV but there may be some people who just don't like RV Parks and would never stay in a Walmart parking lot or boondock overnight.
Floridastorm 11/07/20 06:48am General RVing Issues
RE: Roadside Assistance Plans Specific Coverage

The FMCA Roadside Assistance Plan does reimburse you for lodging and meals in the event of a breakdown. see benefit details below, TRIP INTERRUPTION BENEFITS In the event of a RV mechanical breakdown, Company will reimburse Member up to three hundred dollars ($300) per day for a maximum of five(5) days ($1,500 total) for lodging and meals when the customer is more than one hundred (100) miles from home and the vehicle must be kept for repairs at the li-censed repair facility. Member must submit receipts and verification of repairs to Company for benefit reimbursement. This benefit is limited to one (1) incident per any given twelve (12) month period during the term of your membership. Looks like a very good program. Think you have to be a member of the FMCA Club and then you can get the FMCA Roadside Rescue which does seem to provide trip interruption reimbursement up to $1,500. This is good to know and thank you.
Floridastorm 11/05/20 07:08am Good Sam Roadside Assistance
RE: Roadside Assistance Plans Specific Coverage

The Good Sam Extended Service Plan does. Reimbursement up to 10 days. $100.00 per day for meals and lodging and up to $60.00 per day for rental car costs. JimR Are you sure that the Good Sam plan reimburses in the event of a breakdown? I read it as in the event of an accident.
Floridastorm 11/05/20 06:52am Good Sam Roadside Assistance
Roadside Assistance Plans Specific Coverage

I notice that most Roadside Assistance Plans reimburse for lodging, food, and etc. in the event of an accident with your RV. I don't see any of the plans that reimburse for lodging, food, and etc. in the event of a breakdown that needs repair service that is not caused by an accident. Are there any such plans and, if not, why not? One would think that the majority of the time you would need that reimbursement for lodging and food while your RV is in a shop far from home. Thanks Much Dave
Floridastorm 11/04/20 08:21am Good Sam Roadside Assistance
RE: The price of new trucks is beyond comprehension!

Flyer, 1965 GTO was the best of the series...I had a LeMans. 1965 to 1967 GTOs. Best cars ever built IMO. 1967 had fuel injection where 1965/66 had Tri Power 4 bbl carburetors. Had a 1967 in 1967 and it was like a fighter plane. I'm sure you meant tri-power OR 4 bbl carbs, as the tri-power was a 3 2bbl setup. I don't remember a Pontiac GTO with fuel injection in the 60's? You are correct. the 1965/66 had 3 2bbl carburetors while the 1967 had 1 4 bbl carburetor with Ram Air an entirely new concept. I thought that it had fuel injection. My mistake.
Floridastorm 10/11/20 09:15pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Are the campgrounds full in your area?

I've been considering purchasing a motor home for quite some time. As of late I notice that there are very few reasonably priced used MHs available out there. My understanding is that due to the virus hysteria and panic, along with most means of transportation either curtailed or requiring draconian regulations, that so many people are buying RVs. The RV market has basically dried up unless you are able to purchase new. I also think that this is the reason why so many RV Parks and Campgrounds are packed. With nowhere to travel by plane, train, and cruise ships, possibly millions of people are seeking other means. Traveling long distances in one's car is tiring and costly. So, the next best thing is an RV. For those of us that don't feature spending overnight in a Walmart or Rest Stop an RV park or campground is a necessity. As such I am seriously reconsidering any purchase now or in the near future. :(
Floridastorm 10/11/20 02:29pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
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