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RE: Space Heater

@ Huntindog I think where we disagree is calling it theft. Is the football team stealing at the buffet because they eat a lot of food? I'd say they paid the rate and ate all they could. Campers are doing the same thing. What you are essentially saying is you are not allowed to plug into the 20 amp outlet on the pedestal, because that constitutes theft. You are not basing the theft on how much electric a camper actually uses. You are basing it on camper hooking into the additional 20 amp outlet amp outlet. If CG's did not want those 20 amp outlets used it would be easy enough to remove them. Although I believe the GFCI maybe code in some places? The idea of theft is over the top. I have a 50 amp RV. I can and do use 3 space heaters for heat am I committing theft? Why is it theft when a 30 amp RV'er uses space heaters? What if a 30 amp RV'er plugs his electric griddle into the 20 amp outlet is that theft? Maybe it's not space heater detectives we need but 20 amp outlet enforcers that are needed to cut down on this new form of CG thievery
Lantley 11/17/19 06:43am Travel Trailers
RE: Space Heater

Lantley, Residencial fridges are way better for the campground owner than absorption units. Your probably right except when you add ice makers and water in the door etc. I agree they are more efficient but they are also typically bigger.
Lantley 11/17/19 05:53am Travel Trailers
RE: Space Heater

If the people who are using 30 amps + 15 amps are supposed to pay more, does that mean I get a discount for my van that only has a 15 amp service? I also don't use the sewer dump, the cable TV, and usually don't use the water hose. Do I get a discount for all these things? Again, out of context. If a park has seperate fees for 30 or 50 amp service, then one is not entitled to use more than that. Itf there were enough people only using 15 amps then you would likely see a lower fee for that use. Yes but if you think those running space heaters are committing theft Do you believe those using only 15 amps are entitled to refunds? I imagine the CG sets their rate high enough to include those using space heaters, or those running 3 AC's etc. If the CG rate is not high enough to cover these worst case/max.use scenarios, than the CG's need to increase their rates. Actually yes, I do think they should be charged less.... Though I doubt, it would happen. The van people just are not a big enough part of the business to cater to. I can not believe how many people get this concept of not using more than you pay for so confused. Do you got to the grocery store, put some apples in a bag and eat some of them before checking out too? I imagine the store charges enough to cover the theft???? Actually they do. What those that bend the rules to their likeing may not realize is that they are stealing from everyone. The RV park and grocery store compensate for abuse/theft by raising prices for everyone. Your parents, best friend, your children, neighbors, The handicaped people, those struggling on social security, disabled vets, and everyone on this forum.... Even the ones you like. They all pay more because of this. But hey, pat yourself on the back, as you got it for free. Where your analogy is wrong is that you are comparing using unmetered electric to a finite purchase. The CG knows that every RV'ers electric use will be different. A van will likely use less than a 36' class A. A casita will use less than a 36'TT yet they all pay the same 30 amp rate. The difference in actual cost at the end of the day is negligible. Some will use more some will use less but the CG will be covered. A better example is take the high school football team to the all you can eat buffet and take the ballerina squad to the buffet. I'm sure the football team is going to eat a whole lot more, but is that theft? Of course not. The owner has calculated how much food the average user will heat and set a profitable price. Sure my teenage son is going to eat 4 plates full, but there is a grandmother out there that will barely eat anything. There will be a few customers (football players) that you lose on and a few (grandmothers) that you win on. Overall the price is set to ensure profit. For every space heater electric hog, there is a van using 15 amp or a tent on a 30 amp site using minimal electric. CG's know that over the course of a short term stay they can estimate the usage apply a rate plus some and not worry about electric use. Do you really think CG owners are just gullible and are letting campers steal their electric as you imply? Now for longer stays and seasonal sites you often see metered electric because over a longer stay it becomes harder to estimate usage. The CG's understand what they are doing. Those that feel campers are taking advantage enact no heater rules. Most CG's it's easier to just raise the daily rate to cover the cost of electric. Than to strictly monitor each individual sites usage. There will always be a variable associated with electric usage, a heat wave or a cold spell will have an impact,the types of RV's renting sites will have an impact. RV appliance use will have a minimal impact. Do we need to charge more for multi battery RV's? How about those with Ice makers. Do we get into residential fridges.Electric water heaters vs.lp. What is the base electric usage? Without meters the CG doesn't really know. But more importantly they don't really care. They set a profitable rate and don't worry about it. Maybe they should hire "space heater police" to weed out the thieves?
Lantley 11/16/19 07:37pm Travel Trailers
RE: Space Heater

If the people who are using 30 amps + 15 amps are supposed to pay more, does that mean I get a discount for my van that only has a 15 amp service? I also don't use the sewer dump, the cable TV, and usually don't use the water hose. Do I get a discount for all these things? Again, out of context. If a park has seperate fees for 30 or 50 amp service, then one is not entitled to use more than that. Itf there were enough people only using 15 amps then you would likely see a lower fee for that use. Yes but if you think those running space heaters are committing theft Do you believe those using only 15 amps are entitled to refunds? I imagine the CG sets their rate high enough to include those using space heaters, or those running 3 AC's etc. If the CG rate is not high enough to cover these worst case/max.use scenarios, than the CG's need to increase their rates.
Lantley 11/16/19 05:00pm Travel Trailers
RE: A Question Are you limited to life on pavement

I guess your overall point is many do not enjoy the great outdoors which may have some validity. However I think you are preaching to the wrong crowd. RV'ers in general spend more time outdoors than most. While I'm not suggesting all RV'ers are hiking, and fishing. I do think they spend more time outside vs. your typical fly in motel traveler. One of the few things RV'ers have in common is the outdoors. WE all have to deal with the outdoors, be it making a campfire or setting up in the rain.Rvers spend their fare share of time outdoors vs. the public at large
Lantley 11/16/19 12:49pm General RVing Issues
RE: A Question Are you limited to life on pavement

Rv'ers sure love our stereotypes. We try to frame everyone into some sort of box. Resort Rv'ers have their noses in the air! If your not touching a blade of grass you're not a real RV'er? For the record, I don't consider hunting a sport or a challenge until we find a way to arm the animals so they can shoot back. Shooting a defenseless animal for sport is not a sport or my idea of fun. I do have many friends that hunt and I don't have any animosity towards them or any hunters. But hunting is not my thing.
Lantley 11/16/19 08:24am General RVing Issues
RE: Space Heater

Wow, 5 pages in and only one person has pointed out that not using the furnace just may endanger your water tanks and lines. Sure on some RVs it wont matter, but on many others it certainly does. Pennywise and pound foolish? For starters it generally takes 24 hours of sub freezing temps to cause issues to a heated RV. Temps below freezing for a few hours overnight will not create problems for most RV's with an enclosed underbelly. Most RV'ers are not in extreme cold, yes it may dip below freezing overnight but the temps warm to above freezing during the day. THose moderately cold conditions are ideal for space heaters. The idea that your tanks will freeze if you use space heaters is overblown. Yes it may happen in extreme conditions But if the cabin is warm/heated heat will naturally radiate and protect the plumbing. Leaving a cabinet door open or using a light bulb in the basement also helps. Your plumbing does not automatically freeze in cold weather if space heaters are used. Temps must be well below freezing or remain below freezing for 24 hours or longer before there is a high risk of freezing pipes.
Lantley 11/15/19 06:46pm Travel Trailers
RE: Space Heater

Gdetrailer wrote: 5,000 BTU of heat out of one heater is a LONG, LONG stretch for heating an entire RV when considering it is a fraction of the heat a RV furnace can put out While I generally agree with your point. You have to consider the efficiency of the lp furnace when comparing to a space heater. Space heaters are 100% efficient. The lp furnace is far from efficient. I believe they are about 70% efficient and maybe as bad as 505 efficient. If you hold your hand in front of the exterior exhaust discharge you will feel a lot of wasted heat being discharged to the outdoors. That heat translates to $$$. Efficiency ratings are a big deal when it comes to residential furnaces. RV furnaces are very inefficient compared to residential models. :R 18,000 BTU input at 70% efficiency = 12,600 BTU = approx 2.4 1500 W electric heaters or 3600W. 30,000 BTU input at 70% efficiency = 21,000 BTU = approx 4.04 1500W electric heaters or 6060W. You ARE typically RVing as a HOBBY, spend tons of money on a completely unnecessary RV which also has a absorbtion fridge which is about 30% efficient, a RV water heater which is barely 20% efficient, spend tons of money moving it with hyper expensive over the top tow vehicle then have the gall to worry about efficiency of the RV furnace? Now, IF you are going to pay for the electric it WILL cost you much more than propane.. Resistance heat is not and never will be 100% efficient when you take in the WHOLE picture of just how that electric is created, transported and delivered to your plug. Anyone with a all electric resistance heat home or business can attest to the fact that it uses more energy and costs more to do so.. I was involved in a church congregation which had a building that was solely heated with your 100% efficient resistance heat.. Electric cost was $4K (FOUR THOUSAND A MONTH!) and that was the averaging plan for a yr.. $48000 for the year!!! Building temp was set back to 58F during non use periods and 68 during use periods.. Eventually after 25 yrs the heating system started having issues and parts became non existent it was decided to retrofit with gas heating system. Electric bill dropped to less than $1K a month and the new gas bill was only $1K a month.. That IS a considerable savings and the new gas fired heating system paid it's self off in only three yrs. Personally to me, folks attempting to use only electric to heat a RV at a campground are abusing the campground owners good will and there are many places that recognize that abuse and charge more or may have meters.. Don't be so blasted cheap and ruin the goodwill for others by abusing the system. This is not really a comparison between gas vs. electric heat. You made the comment that a lp furnace produces a lot more heat than a 1500 watt space heater. However you did not mention efficiency which is all part of the story, since the lp furnace losses 1500 watts or 30% of the heat it produces. An lp furnace losses as much as the space heater produces. I'm not sure how we got into being cheap and RV'ing is a hobby but let's not deny that electric is generally included in the rates for most hobby level RV'ers. Full timers may encounter metered electric but hobby style RV'ers generally do not. I consider using my 3 space heaters no different than running my AC in the summer. Unless a CG has specific rules against it (which a few do) space heaters are OK. I prefer space heaters over lp furnace because they quiet, they do not come on with a loud noise, I do not have to monitor my lp tanks,I do not have to change my LP tanks with space heaters. Space heaters are not all bad. They are simply another option for heating.
Lantley 11/15/19 06:33pm Travel Trailers
RE: Space Heater

Gdetrailer wrote: 5,000 BTU of heat out of one heater is a LONG, LONG stretch for heating an entire RV when considering it is a fraction of the heat a RV furnace can put out While I generally agree with your point. You have to consider the efficiency of the lp furnace when comparing to a space heater. Space heaters are 100% efficient. The lp furnace is far from efficient. I believe they are about 70% efficient and maybe as bad as 505 efficient. If you hold your hand in front of the exterior exhaust discharge you will feel a lot of wasted heat being discharged to the outdoors. That heat translates to $$$. Efficiency ratings are a big deal when it comes to residential furnaces. RV furnaces are very inefficient compared to residential models.
Lantley 11/14/19 05:53pm Travel Trailers
RE: Blow out water lines question

GDEtrailer wrote: People around this forum act like a broken line is a huge expensive ordeal, it is not, PEX is cheap and easy to work with and with sharkbite fittings can easily fix a broken line in less than 5 minutes.. PEX also is quite tolerant for flexing caused by ice expansion when compared to copper lines or the old Quest (grey stuff) plastic.. Fixing the Pex is generally easy enough. It's finding the leak and gaining access to it in order to fix it that is the challenge. That does not include any damage caused by the leak. Murphy's law dictates the leak will not be in a easy to access spot! For the record standard insurance policy procedure is to pay for damage caused by a leak but they don't actually pay to fix the leak itself. The damage is generally a bigger problem than the leak! My point is use anti freeze and avoid any issues. Antifreeze is cheaper than shark bites. Easier to use than a saw, requires less effort than removing the underbelly. Does involve drying anything out. Antifreeze is also much cheaper than replacing, fixtures, valves,pumps or a host of miscellaneous parts
Lantley 11/08/19 02:28pm Travel Trailers
RE: Blow out water lines question

Well, I chickened out and used the pink stuff. I am considering blowing out the lines again to remove most of the pink since the lines and valves have been flushed. This is in hopes to reduce the amount of effort it takes to remove that pink stuff taste in the spring time. Now that I know the valves and water pump dont have any residual water in them I won't worry. I'm thinking between the lower amounts of residual pink coating the lines and using baking soda in the spring, it will be easier to remove that taste. You did the right thing. Simply put blowing out the lines is not 100% foolproof vs. antifreeze. THe residual water that may remain in the lines will always have the potential to create issues. However if you run anti freeze through everything there won't be a problem. I understand lots of people use the blow out method successfully. Blowing out lines may have a 90% success rate. It may even be 95% successful. However do you want to gamble with the 5% error/failure rate? Most likely the pex piping will be OK, it's a fitting or fixture that will fail. Failure will be much harder and more expensive to deal with than 3 jugs of antifreeze. For me the decision is easy. I don't want any surprises come Spring time. Antifreeze is foolproof
Lantley 11/06/19 08:36pm Travel Trailers
RE: Horrible Good Sams/ Bank of the West Financing

I imagine all banks will tell that so called white lie to get your business simply because telling you 3-4 week truth will send you out the door. However it seems the 3-4 week tag and title delay is commonplace in your scenario. How do you know your other sources were capable of getting licensing done quicker? Where they also telling a little white lie to entice you?
Lantley 11/05/19 07:11pm Good Sam Club
RE: General thoughts on Hybrids

They base their decision on normal or every day usage, however when it comes to safety and reliability heavy usage should be the determining factor. Now heavy usage may not be as important in choosing a hybrid or EV however when choosing a tow vehicle, heavy usage is critical. Maybe that's why we both have duallies:) Is the dually your only vehicle? Most families have more than 1. If we are going out of town, we take the pickup. If wife is going out of town, I'm stuck with the car. I wish 15 years ago I had bought E with a 50 mile range that could charge at home instead of ICE. Dually is not my only vehicle but it is my daily driver. However if I did not have a 5'er I would not have a dually. I own a dually to cover my most extreme usage. It doesn't make sense to me to own a lesser truck that doesn't meet my most extreme need. Should sweat it out and have a less than enjoyable experience with a SRW truck or have a relaxing tow with the more capable truck.
Lantley 11/01/19 09:58am Tow Vehicles
RE: Costs of things

I wasn't trying to make much of a point but mainly just sharing my observations. I do think it's misguided when folks talk about one motor home getting better mileage than another. The cost of fuel, even at 9 MPG, say compared to 14 MPG is negligible in the overall issue of total costs. this thinking helps me accept the $70 I might spend on a fill. Correct and the cost of campsites are negligible as well. If your a full timer I understand cost add up. But if you are a weekend warrior. Does it really matter? If site is $75.00 or 50.00 or even $100.00 I'm already committed to RV ownership, If save $50.00 on the site is negligible. Between truck and trailer there is a lot of money tied up. The cost of fuel and camp sites is negligible
Lantley 11/01/19 09:53am Class C Motorhomes
RE: Mileage observations

A few years ago, I had to follow my father who only does 60 mph. It was annoying to drive that slow. After doing the math I saved less than $6 and arrived over half an hour later than I normally do. 23 minutes later assuming the entire trip was at 60mph. I don't doubt your math but it probably felt like an hour ... Sorry 60 on the interstate when other traffic is doing 70-75 is too slow.
Lantley 11/01/19 09:47am Tow Vehicles
RE: General thoughts on Hybrids

I think it all depends upon your personal life style. I could never use successfully. I tow a behemoth 5er, and the distance from home to work is ... well ... not practical from an electric car. Others may have great success. Just like anything in life, you have to figure out if it will work for you. Do all the logistics and see where it leads. What is the most AGGRESSIVE most ROBUST demand you will put on your vehicle (NOT THE LIGHTEST, DAILY USE) ... and then find out if electric power can handle it, that is, the greatest demand you would EVER need from it, even if that need is for a very short duration. Then you have your answer. I am late to this thread. But you bring up a good point. What is the most intense usage required? Many don't ask that question. They base their decision on normal or every day usage, however when it comes to safety and reliability heavy usage should be the determining factor. Now heavy usage may not be as important in choosing a hybrid or EV however when choosing a tow vehicle, heavy usage is critical. Maybe that's why we both have duallies:)
Lantley 11/01/19 06:32am Tow Vehicles
RE: Which WDH?

Hi, OP here. I believe I'm going to go with the WD hitch with sway control. I'm sure that the truck can handle the load fine on just a ball but I've always been one to over-build things. I'd rather have too much of something than too little. Today, if the weather cooperates (we've had freezing rain and snow overnight - yay), I'm going to try to go shopping and see what's available locally. Thanks for all the suggestions and issues to think about. I'll be the naysayer and agree that you need weight distribution even with your dually. 1000#'s plus 3' behind the axles hanging past the bumper will impact handling. On a good day the impact maybe minimal. On a bad day the impact could be critical.
Lantley 10/30/19 08:12pm Travel Trailers
RE: Gm 2500HD GAS VS DIESEL

All these half ton owners that have a GM 5.3L, GM 6.2L, Ford 5.0L, Ford Ecoboost, Ram 5.7L or Toyota 5.7L are all stupid because they will never recoup the cost in fuel over the base engine. So are all of those V8 Camaro/Mustang/Challenger owners because they will never recoup the cost over the V6. Yes, it sounds this stupid to an HD diesel owner when an HD gasser owner says they will never recoup their money.I'll put the overall mpg of my ecoboost up against your diesel for a year any day of the week. And my fuel is cheaper to boot. BTDT got the tee shirt. As long as your ecoboost can tow a 15K 5'er we got a deal. But if it can't it's no use to me.:W. Now if you want to compare your towing MPG to mine we can talk. I purchased my dually to tow my fiver. It does that job very well. All other considerations and capabilities are including MPG's are not really important to me in the long run.
Lantley 10/30/19 06:05pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Mileage observations

I tried one trip to drive 60 instead of my usual 70, It wasn’t worth it. Define what you mean by "it was not worth it"... Worth what? And what is the "it" that there was no "worth" being applied to? I take worth to mean it was not comfortable. THe poster was not driving at the speed he was accustomed to. AS a result he was not relaxed and the drive was not enjoyable. Granted this is my take on what he meant and I could be totally wrong. However it's not worth it to me to drive at 60 mph either!
Lantley 10/30/19 03:29pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Frameless windows question

I have them on my 2012 5'er. I agree they don't open very far. However I'm an AC guy and seldom open widows. So far I have not had any issues in 8 years.
Lantley 10/28/19 06:06pm General RVing Issues
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