Buyer beware??? I find it interesting that the nay sayers don't offer up anything other than "I think..." Dear Lord, of course bad things can happen. So can bad things happen from buying from the dealer down the street, the want ads in the paper (they still exist???) or your neighbor down the street.
Bought our last F550 off an ad on ebay; ended up finding it listed locally, worked the phones for about 5 minutes and solidified the deal for less money. Flew down, looked, paid, and came home.
Chances of finding what I wanted....at home: nada to zero. (search 550, auto, 4x and air suspension and let me know how you do).
Purchased a Peterbilt off ebay a couple years ago too.. The net works (you all tend to trust this forum...so what's the difference?).
Trust but verify...in everything. It's a great medium (ebay, etc) for locating what you want.
"Thanks RC...." Joe
lol, forced edit it appears. Sad.
No thanks needed Joe, but you're welcome just the same.
Yep, some folks are just a bit uptight and can't see anything other than the way they 'think' it should be. So it goes.
I've have been to many a dinner party, and for that matter, been involved in lot's and lot's of forum threads, both started and butting in. The conversations that evolve, well, they do just that; they evolve. What do people think? reading 4 pages of the same answers and ideas is interesting? FFS, shoot me then.
Still want to visit Chicago, driving or flying. Wouldn't hesitate to drive there. Hey OP, take pitures!
In 08 They killed it with turning radius, they're amazing from 08-on.
Don't know the specifics but 08 is the year.
'07 and on.... coil springs.
The turning radius is unreal on our 550's
Actually 05 is when they went with coil springs. IMO 05-07 doesn't turn much better than a 99-04 leaf front suspension, but definitely better. My 02 is terrible at turning, but won't give up my 7.3. and having no truck payment.
Whatever they did in 08 is what led to an incredible turning radius.
This is my experience with Super Duty's. I have owned and driven a lot of Super Duty's at work.
Curious about a difference between the chassis and p/u's then (from the years you mention as not being much different). Our '07 550's turning radius is insane. The newer ones aren't any sharper than our older ones (the '07's). Don't know about he 450 p/u's; no use for them.
Our the '08's you refer to on the p/u side? Curious, thanks.
I am STUNNED to hear that Chicago is not safe.
I was under the impression that most privately-held guns were illegal there, so I assumed it was a peaceful, brotherly-loving paradise.
Nothing silly there; I think Mr. Joe is just pointing out the obvious to those that need a little help seeing a big picture. Kinda like mood lighting: it doesn't detract from the main picture and focus, but it highlights the issue fairly well. Good old conversation.
Call it enlightenment. Call it a detour focus session. Call it sarcastic instruction. But don't ever call a Constitutional right 'silly'.
Wife and I have been trying to get to Chicago for years. Lot to see there. Sounds like some savvy advice in this thread too.
3k in materials?? Good luck on that.
It's market driven folks. We all get what we pay for. Add more regulations and the costs just goes up.
Put it this way; if they really are such a rip off, there's an opening in the market then. Anyone (of us or whoever) can start a company, build it better and cheaper, and voila! you'll corner the market. It really is that simple. The masses will flock to your product, because it's better quality, better workmanship, lower cost and let's just add for kicks, on time.
But then, if it was that easy, how come so many in the business closed doors in the past? They should have had loads of profits sitting around to carry them through. Makes one wonder.
If business was so easy, we'd all be in it, and rich, and fat and more stupid.
Not defending shoddy workmanship, but is it shoddy if we're not willing to pay for a better product? As one says regularly, 'you can't have it both ways'.
Sure they're expensive...compared to???? Are they a rip off?? It's a free market folks.
The F-450 is a F-350 modified for towing greater loads, hence the lower gears and heavier weight of the truck which reduces payload capacity. The F-550 is the step up platform if load capacity is what you are after.
And further... f450 pick ups are not the same as the cc models. Brakes. Pulling is one thing, but stopping is what matters.
F450/f550 cc units; tow more, stop better.