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RE: EV use the 30 amp 110V?
All this assumes the campground is wired up to standard.
I've been in campgrounds with some pretty sketchy wiring and some serious voltage drop.
True. But then again, the Tesla compensates for voltage drop and ramps down charging. An RV doesn’t.
True but a 30amp RV rarely pulls more than 50% of the 30 amps except for a second or so on start up of the air/con compressor. EVs max out the pedestals for extended periods of time. Proper wiring in campgrounds assumes not every aircon is running simultaneously (I believe they derate by 70% when accounting for this)...and many campgrounds are still pushed to the limit on hot summer weekends. A stray EV likely won't make much difference but dozens of them certainly can depending on the size of the park and condition of the electrical system.
Also, if the car is smart enough to dial back the amps, you now have 12amps at 106v (or something)...it's going to take 3 days to fill an 80kwh battery bank that is near empty.
Yah for sure I can see that. When we tour we are quite often 3 or 4 days in each spot anyway so it doesn't affect us much. Hike the hikes, see the sites etc.
More than a few times we have had campground staff put us in a site that has an extra 20 amp receptacle. Handy for us as we just leave the trailer plugged into the 30 amp and the car plugged into the 20 amp. When on a 20 amp circuit the car limits to 16 amps unless the voltage is low and them it limits to 12 amps. Here is a site where we did that.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52387012788_4b6078e2e6_c.jpg
I believe that was here close to comox.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52385847997_64ed361759_c.jpg
Campground staff are generally pretty accommodating. Sometimes there is a fee although if its just a single TT30 plug on the site we have never been charged. If they have 50 amp sites they usually ask us to upgrade to a 50 amp site and then we just split the pedestal with one of these. The car gets its 24 amps and the trailer is free to use its 30. We use one of these.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53129847403_61845e7a72_c.jpg
If you are wondering what these smart adapters look like here is a pic. From left to right this is what you are looking at. The adapter plugs into the top of the EVSE. There are many more for dryer plugs, welding plugs etc etc but these are the 4 we use when camping.
-The tesla mobile charging cable otherwise known as an EVSE
-the 14-50 adapter which allows 32 amps at 240 volts.
-the 5-15 adapter that allows 12 amps at 120 volts
-the 5-20 adapter that allows 16 amps at 120 volts
-the TT30 adapter that allows 24 amps at 120 volts.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52224570038_5b5d46b104_c.jpg
Here is an example of the low voltage situation. Here it is limiting to 18 amps but if it stays at this voltage for X amount of time it lowers to 12 amps etc. It does it in 6 amp increments.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53234797301_d584eb75c0_c.jpgUntitled by radar231, on Flickr
Anyway. Probably more info than anyone wanted but hopefully some may find it interesting.
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10/04/23 04:16pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: EV use the 30 amp 110V?
All this assumes the campground is wired up to standard.
I've been in campgrounds with some pretty sketchy wiring and some serious voltage drop.
True. But then again, the Tesla compensates for voltage drop and ramps down charging. An RV doesn’t.
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10/04/23 02:04pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: EV use the 30 amp 110V?
Thank you, that was the answer I needed.
For some other questions, the Tesla owner in the park had the slip on his/her windshield that showed they had paid.
Perhaps, they did not have a 30 amp plug.
Happy to help. If you have other questions feel free to ask.
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10/04/23 08:25am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: EV use the 30 amp 110V?
So yes…and it depends. With a tesla if you are using a proper TT30 adapter for the mobile charge cord the tesla will charge at max 24 amps on a TT30. These are smart adapters and tell the EVSE (the charge cable) that it is hooked into a 30 amp 120 volt receptacle and that the most it can draw is 24 amps. But if the voltage drops to around 113 volts it will reduce the charging to 18 amps. If it drops another 3 volts it will reduce it to 12 amps. It will continue to charge at the lower rate until the voltage returns to a higher level and stays there. Then it will ramp back up.
We charge almost exclusively on 30 amp sites when camping as we rarely rent 50 amp sites. (They are not as common up here in Canada…or at least not where we camp.
Non tesla EV’s have to jump thru a few hoops with a couple of adapters to charge at 30 amp sites at anything other than 12 amps but I’m told it can be done on some cars.
Here is a pic of us charging at a 30 amp site somewhere on the Sunshine Coast. I think it was Powell River.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53004373441_22e169734c_c.jpg
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10/04/23 07:48am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Chevy Silverado EV
TFL Trucks, Silverado EV vs F150 gas
Pretty impressive stats posted by the Chevy. Back in the '70s and '8s a lot of gas vehicles didn't get that far pulling a trailer like that but we made it work.
The do need to build more EV charging stations though.
Yep on that last point. But GM has signed on with Tesla so they’ll have access to the many of the existing V3 stations and I suspect all of the future V4 stations, so that should help a lot.
Good link.
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09/23/23 12:17pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Chevy Silverado EV
And while towing a 10k travel trailer, would the range be cut about in half. Any real world road tests, I will make a search in a few days.
I am so out of touch with todays trucks. I had NO idea people were towing 10,000 pound trailers with half tons nowadays. That was firmly in the 3/4 ton if not 1 ton range when I was towing a fifth wheel. I learn something new everyday.Yes, you are a little out of touch. To start off with he said "travel trailer" (which is not fifth wheel). But over and above that, my 1/2 ton has a 2500lbs payload rating (2496 actually per door sticker), 11,000lbs max loaded trailer rating, and 375 hp. So yes, it will tow a 10,000lbs travel trailer and if I leave the wife home, maybe a fifth wheel also.
Wow. Yah, our last new truck was in around 1999 so I am definitely disconnected from today’s truck numbers.
Thanks for the numbers.
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09/23/23 12:14pm |
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RE: Ford files trademark for F200 pickup.
Possibly poorly worded on my part. The number one selling car in the world is the tesla model Y.
“For the first time, an electric vehicle – the Tesla Model Y – became the world's best-selling car, at least for the first quarter of 2023, topping the Toyota Corolla and Toyota RAV4, according to data from JATO Dynamics published by Motor1.”
I’m not aware of anywhere that forces you to buy an EV but I’m not an American. Maybe you have different rules there. Here you can buy whatever car or truck you want. Where do you live that you are being forced to buy an EV tow vehicle?
Facts are slippery things and it requires you to do a little due diligence rather than take the word of someone with a vested interest.
Autoweek article - Is Tesla Model Y The World’s Best-Selling Car? Nope, Not Even Close.
And I am not sure why you can't grasp the financial impact to people who do not want to buy EV's. When the government mandates and pumps Billions into auto makers to force them to produce EV's, or when infrastructure has to be updated to support EV's, Or landfills have to update their practices, the list goes on and on - who do you think pays for that? Every single American who files taxes despite 93% of them NOT buying an EV - that's who.
Yah. No. Toyota is playing with the numbers and including a variety of models and body styles that loosely fall under Corolla umbrella. No publication agrees with that article and it was generally considered busted.
If people don’t want to buy an EV they shouldn’t. Lots of choices out there. That simple.
Auto manufacturers are putting billions into EV development because people want them. Any manufacturer that doesn’t is gone within two decades. Stellantis CEO has come right out and said it can’t be done and cars would have to start at 70,000 for them to make money. Meanwhile tesla sells them at 37000 ish dollars and has healthy margins. And the upcoming model 2 will be in the mid twenties.
Infrastructure is ongoing anywhere and changes with technology. Most countries are not having problems adapting their infrastructure.
I didn’t understand the reference to landfills. Cars here are generally recycled. And the batteries definitely are as they are super valuable.
Sorry I’m not up on American EV adaption rate or infrastructure challenges so can’t really comment on that.
We are about to hit the road on a little camping trip so I’ll check in next week. Enjoyed the civil discussion. I think some of our point of view differences are just living in different countries.
Safe travels way2roll.
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09/08/23 09:32am |
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RE: Ford files trademark for F200 pickup.
Ok. But the easy answer is just not to buy one if it doesn’t suit you. Obviously many people prefer the tech, performance and convenience of an EV. It’s probably what makes them the number one selling car in the world.
For others it’s the wrong fit and they buy something else. Drive what you love and love what you drive.
As far as tow vehicles just buy a gas or diesel vehicle if that’s what you need. Presently electric tow vehicles are fine for small low profile trailers. I’m sure that will change a lot in the next 5 years. If you have a bigger trailer there is a large choice of gas and diesel vehicles.
Cheers.
EV's are the number one car selling in the world? Where are you getting your information? Currently - even with an increase in sales that has once again slowed - EV's sales make up 7% of the market share. It's not even possible with current production to make them the number one selling vehicle. Not even close.
Once again you miss my overarching point - it's not just about what I want or don't want to buy. These initiatives put me on the hook to pay for them whether I want to buy one or not. My opinion doesn't matter. It's being forced instead of organic free market. EV's are being mandated at the consumer and manufacturer level. I guess it's fine if they up your taxes and cost of electricity, and landfill fees etc to support the initiative if you agree with it.
Possibly poorly worded on my part. The number one selling car in the world is the tesla model Y.
“For the first time, an electric vehicle – the Tesla Model Y – became the world's best-selling car, at least for the first quarter of 2023, topping the Toyota Corolla and Toyota RAV4, according to data from JATO Dynamics published by Motor1.”
I’m not aware of anywhere that forces you to buy an EV but I’m not an American. Maybe you have different rules there. Here you can buy whatever car or truck you want. Where do you live that you are being forced to buy an EV tow vehicle?
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09/08/23 08:35am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Ford files trademark for F200 pickup.
I don't know how they can claim zero emissions, how much emissions were made in the construction/production of them and how (ow) much?
I’m not sure what you are asking. During the operation of the vehicle there are no exhaust emissions.
Emissions during manufacture are a different metric and are easy to find and compare on the web.
That's the biggest catch phrase of the EV argument - "zero emissions". most of the sales pitch and metrics for EV's is tailpipe emissions - there is no tailpipe.
There's a TON of conflicting and manipulated information as to the ecological impacts of EV production and end of life. There's also humanitarian impacts and resource availability. You don't hear much about the latter 2. But resources required for EV production are limited- more so than the materials for ICE production. Dependency of foreign nations for materials is also a major factor. The energy grid will be leveraged proportionate to the decline of gasoline. That requires infrastructure and demand - both of those will impact consumer cost and taxes. I'm already seeing articles on how it costs more to charge an EV than the cost to fill up an ICE. Again, we haven't solved anything. Just traded old problems for new ones and to produce a product that to date is inferior in performance with respect to tow vehicles. But that's what's been decided on our path. There is no choice.
Ok. But the easy answer is just not to buy one if it doesn’t suit you. Obviously many people prefer the tech, performance and convenience of an EV. It’s probably what makes them the number one selling car in the world.
For others it’s the wrong fit and they buy something else. Drive what you love and love what you drive.
As far as tow vehicles just buy a gas or diesel vehicle if that’s what you need. Presently electric tow vehicles are fine for small low profile trailers. I’m sure that will change a lot in the next 5 years. If you have a bigger trailer there is a large choice of gas and diesel vehicles.
Cheers.
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09/08/23 07:45am |
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RE: Ford files trademark for F200 pickup.
I don't know how they can claim zero emissions, how much emissions were made in the construction/production of them and how (ow) much?
I’m not sure what you are asking. During the operation of the vehicle there are no exhaust emissions.
Emissions during manufacture are a different metric and are easy to find and compare on the web.
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09/07/23 09:48pm |
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RE: Ford files trademark for F200 pickup.
IF it does fail per say. Will it be Ford's first, last or one of many failures in automotive design?!?!?
Along with let's add ANY other vehicle manufacture for that matter.
Time to wait and see what this is. I'm personally hoping it's an 8 lug over the DOT HD class 2 8401+ gvwr chassis design. Granted emissions are not an issue, but braking, power, payload, more towing capacity along with more "fuel" to tow longer distances etc. Something many of you have beeched about!
Marty
I would think a big battery like that would be very conducive to very high regenerative braking. From personal experience regenerative braking is a huge plus when towing. Even on 12 percent grades we don’t have to touch the service brake. But that’s with a light trailer.
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09/05/23 05:11pm |
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Ford files trademark for F200 pickup.
Interesting. Here’s the link.
https://insideevs.com/news/685165/ford-f200-trademark-filing/?fbclid=IwAR3Yi8D4IAgQ3KV3QwspPB69fXQgry7OYhFqRc6j4ALxypxbQZRVasmoNyo_aem_AUXa7pSJ-jy0OUSKWgr2e-bFEI3hzHS8y0JVLr4QkMZI03xJS-_O2FC0A29RCdlJdzI
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09/05/23 10:08am |
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RE: Travel Trailer for Two
:). Lol. We did the same thing. After 17 years went from a 40 foot diesel pusher to an 18 foot teardrop trailer towed by an SUV.
Consider looking at the freedom express 192. It has a floor plan you may like and is within your towing specs.
Either way. Enjoy the new lifestyle. We love being able to get into campgrounds we could only pass before.
Safe travels.
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09/02/23 08:09pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Our Tesla/T@B Yoho and Kootenay national park trip report.
Great thread -- thanks for posting the trip report! Well done.
Thank you. Always a pleasure sharing places like this.
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08/27/23 08:50pm |
RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
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RE: Parts shortages
I have no issue with some kind of direct sales if that's how they want to go. But looking back (COVID is easy to blame):
1. Chip shortages created havoc; especially for diesel sales. Chips are an outdated design.
2. All this money going into EVs for Ford. It seems the regular cars are propping up the EVs. Lately, Ford's reliability record hasn't been too impressive. Almost as if they're short changing the gas/diesel improvements and quality control.
3. The EVs just aren't impressive. Tesla is light years ahead.
4. Now all these part shortages. Seen a few guys on the Ford truck forums with broken down brand new Super Duties and no guess as to when Ford can get them the part.
I honestly think Farley should step down. But as long as he can redirect public opinion by bringing up some crazy new idea, he'll be able to stay.
Squirrel!
He did make a good decision switching to the Tesla plug for charging. It may give them a fighting chance to stay in business if they have access to the supercharger network. Without it it won’t go well.
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08/27/23 08:49pm |
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RE: Parts shortages
My guess is Jim Farley will come out with some other big announcement about something completely irrelevant to this issue. Anything to deflect problems.
Maybe he'll expand on that whole "selling directly to the consumer" thing.
I think that could happen for their electric vehicles. It would make sense to break it away from ford to better compete with Tesla and Rivian. The lots around here are filling up with Mustang Mach E’s and to a lesser extent the ford lightning. Dealers won’t budge on the price and the Mustang is already overpriced compared to the tesla counterparts. I think the lightning is in a similar situation with the Rivian truck. I wouldn’t be surprised if the second generation lightning is sold exclusively online although I think that’s a couple years away.
Not an expert. JMHO.
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08/27/23 04:21pm |
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RE: In case you wonder
And Tesla is building a BIG battery plant right up the road here in NC to build NEW ones...Nothing mentioned about recycle.
Teslas recycle operations are in Nevada. Always have been. But they only recycle their own which are very few.
Panasonic essentially does part of the process and tesla the rest. Panasonic utilizes the recovered materials. But there are very few batteries to recycle at this point so it’s not a continuous operation.
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08/25/23 02:09pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: In case you wonder
There are a few of these companies operating now including Redwood industries, Li cycle and Tesla itself although tesla only recycled it’s own batteries and the sells the raw materials exclusively to Panasonic which makes them into more tesla batteries.
Lii-cycle is a Canadian company which operates primarily in Europe as well as an operation in Arizona and I think Kingston Canada. They are building additional North American plants though.
Redwood industries is their competitor which was started by an ex tesla exec.
The biggest challenge is getting batteries as vehicle batteries are lasting 4 and 5 times longer than they expected. Teslas new LFP car batteries are considered million mile batteries. And they have zero cobalt.
Interesting times.
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08/25/23 10:27am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Now that's a heavy camper!
I might just be weird, but I would still want a propane fridge and stove top.
Yah I hear you. I actually like the new compressor small 12 volt fridges but one needs proper supporting solar and storage for them. For many, us included, getting that much solar and storage is difficult. I appreciate our 3 way propane fridge…although we have never er used it in 12 volts. We primarily run propane.
One of the big advantages of the 12 volt compressor units is the interiour size for a given footprint. No absorption cooling unit makes for a lot more room inside.
We know our next unit will have a compressor fridge (no choice) but hopefully it will also have an appropriate amount of storage and solar.
Jmho.
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08/23/23 09:48am |
Truck Campers
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RE: Our Tesla/T@B Yoho and Kootenay national park trip report.
Great to see technology developing! Thanks for sharing your wonderful trip.
Thank you Tuna.
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08/23/23 06:57am |
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