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RE: Camping in an EV.... Always charging...

Not sure if y'all understand the word "free". Somebody is paying for that electricity... Of course. But if the business owner feels it is worth it to draw in customers then of course everybody wins. Hotels do this all the time. Some charge, some don’t. Essentially it’s part of their advertising budget.
Reisender 07/30/22 12:46pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Camping in an EV.... Always charging...

It looks like the first 30 minutes is free. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52251928479_8c7e28f54b_c.jpg Duke Farms charging Yah. We have seen those in the Palm Springs area before. First x amount of time is free.
Reisender 07/30/22 11:56am Tow Vehicles
RE: EV's need gas too - Tow with a Tesla?

He just needs to attach a platform to the back of the trailer for the gens to run and charge while going down the road. Be sure the cord doesn't get damaged, is long enough in tight turning radius. I saw a pic with a smokey diesel generator on a trailer being towed by a Tesla the other day. The price of batteries is another trade off as well. That won’t work. You can’t charge and drive at the same time. None of the charge formats allow for it. J1772 would be the relevant protocol for a generator sceenario and it definitely doesn’t work. That pic of the Tesla hauling around a diesel generator is a spoof. There would also be no reason to do it.
Reisender 07/30/22 11:52am Tow Vehicles
RE: Camping in an EV.... Always charging...

I rode one of my E bikes to Duke Farms (Hillsborough, NJ) this morning and they have many free level 1 and 2 chargers there in the main parking lot but I have long range 20Ah batteries in my E bikes so no need to use their chargers and I solar charge them when I get home. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52251962555_1d6dfbf3e8_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52251761544_ec93159776_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52070142040_c87c3639ca_c.jpg That exact unit is popular in some of the plazas around here. Not free though. Seems to me it was either a buck or maybe 2 bucks an hour. 7.7 on the one we tried but I think some are 6.6 kw.
Reisender 07/30/22 10:28am Tow Vehicles
RE: EV's need gas too - Tow with a Tesla?

Ignoring the snarkiness of the original post, I wonder if there is an opportunity to develop an emergency rapid charge battery pack for RSA's in cases like this. The more EV's that get on the road, the more we will see running out of range issues. I envision one of those large battery packs like they use for jump starts etc, sort of like a quick charger for your phone only sized for an EV. Or even EV to EV charging. I can share power with someone else's phone if they need it, why couldn't the same principal be leveraged for EV's? Someone assists an EV out of power and juices them enough to get to a station without the need of a gas generator. Battery to battery. Foldable emergency solar panel? Just spitballing.. but I smell an opportunity. You invent a portable emergency charging method for EV's and cash would fall over itself to get in your wallet. Actually someone has already developed that for emergency towing companies. They have something like a super charger that can charge fast enough juice for a vehicle to get to a charging station. I'm sure not every towing company has one, but they are available. Yah. It’s a modular CCS or Chademo unit. The units are stackable and 2 kw each. Most AAA type outfits are going with 7 kw total as the head unit is 1 kw. So 7 kw in about 12 to 15 minutes. There are various pictures out there. Not sure how popular they are.
Reisender 07/30/22 10:25am Tow Vehicles
RE: EV's need gas too - Tow with a Tesla?

Yah. Hard to say on the tongue weight of the trailer without knowing the model. It's either a R195 or R196, both similar on weights and specs. Hitch @ 360 without gas or battery per R pod, most likely higher. Cargo @1160 UVW @3600 (factory scale sticker on one seen on RV trader calls it 3762) GVWR call it @ 4922 (5K axle) The Tesla owner evidently does not belong to the RVnet weight police auxiliary. We briefly looked at them before we settled on the T@b but the only floor plan we kinda like was too heavy on the hitch for our car. I also didn’t like the roof air, the outboard tire fenders and the height. Just wasn’t the right fit. Ours is quite a bit more aerodynamic. AC is in the basement etc. Good fit. We are under all the weight limits of the car.
Reisender 07/30/22 08:04am Tow Vehicles
RE: EV's need gas too - Tow with a Tesla?

Hmmm. Tesla has released a tow package for the Model 3 shown here. The maximum tow weight is 2,000# and max tongue weight is 220#. The lightest RPod made weighs 2,714 dry and most likely has a tongue weight of over 300#. Tesla 3s can tow teardrop trailers and that is about all. Maybe overloading his vehicle caused him to have greatly reduced range creating the need for a roadside charge. I wonder where he hauled the generators and gas can. Is that a model 3 or model Y. Hard to tell. If it’s a model Y then his towing capacity is 3500 lbs and max tounge weight is 350 pounds. Hard to tell from the pic though. I’ll look at it on the PC tomorrow. No idea on the weight of the trailer. But still no reason for a roadside charge. We have travelled that highway pulling a trailer. There are at least a half dozen charge opportunities. There is something else going on here. Could be a Y. An X has central door handles on the rear doors. He could probably squeak under the tow rating, but would be pushing the tongue weight. Toting a couple of generators and extra fuel isn't going to help with the numbers. Yah. Hard to say on the tongue weight of the trailer without knowing the model. The model Y has a pretty stiff sport suspension. When we are fully loaded headed out the driveway with our teardrop the tongue weight is 338 pounds and the car doesn't squat more than 3/4 of an inch. We carry a chihuahua cage, a coleman propane stove and a 47 pound propane champion suitcase generator for dry camping. I can't imagine having to use it for charging. Ugh Nice thing about the Y is it has a really deep subtrunk in the hatch. We can put our little champion and our coleman stove in there, cover them up with the floor covers and they are out of site from prying eyes. Great little propane camping generator but I'm sure it would suck for charging. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52204298261_d105c4d08d_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52203294792_989723b28e_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52204298426_85aaf80d7a_c.jpg
Reisender 07/29/22 05:34pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV's need gas too - Tow with a Tesla?

Hmmm. Tesla has released a tow package for the Model 3 shown here. The maximum tow weight is 2,000# and max tongue weight is 220#. The lightest RPod made weighs 2,714 dry and most likely has a tongue weight of over 300#. Tesla 3s can tow teardrop trailers and that is about all. Maybe overloading his vehicle caused him to have greatly reduced range creating the need for a roadside charge. I wonder where he hauled the generators and gas can. Is that a model 3 or model Y. Hard to tell. If it’s a model Y then his towing capacity is 3500 lbs and max tounge weight is 350 pounds. Hard to tell from the pic though. I’ll look at it on the PC tomorrow. No idea on the weight of the trailer. But still no reason for a roadside charge. We have travelled that highway pulling a trailer. There are at least a half dozen charge opportunities. There is something else going on here.
Reisender 07/29/22 04:15pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV's need gas too - Tow with a Tesla?

This was taken on the Coquihala highway in BC. . The Coquihalla group have put a call out to people via their Facebook page to check their gas gauges as they are rescuing up to 8 people a day who are running out of gas on that route. It happens. And for the record, and this is weird. The gennys are powering the trailer. The car is plugged into the side of the trailer. Kind of a weird way to do it. The other weird thing is there is no shortage of charge opportunities on that highway. I’m thinking someone just wasn’t paying attention.
Reisender 07/29/22 09:56am Tow Vehicles
RE: Electric Ford F-150 and Four Wheel Camper Make Alaska Run

I have heard that it costs like a buck a minute for every minute your car stays plugged in AFTER it is fully charged. So, don't walk over to that Burger King for lunch and be late coming back, or that $10 combo special will really cost you! Yah its not cheap although we have never had to pay it. I can't remember how much it is and I think it varies depending on the location. If we want to have a relaxed lunch we'll pic a slower 50 KW charger on a public network. See the two FLO chargers on the left? Those are 50 kw chargers. Nice relaxed lunch. See the pretty red Tesla chargers on the right?. Those are 250 KW chargers. They are more of a gitterdun kind of affair. Electrify America and Electrify Canada have even faster chargers (350 KW) but currently no EV charges at that speed. The new Tesla V4 chargers being produced at the Tesla New York factory will look different and be (reportedly 350 KW) as well. Apparently the cybertrucks will charge close to that fast. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51365540666_70f21e1bee_c.jpg
Reisender 07/28/22 04:49pm Truck Campers
RE: Electric Ford F-150 and Four Wheel Camper Make Alaska Run

One more pic Joe. This is a combination FLO and Tesla site. So this kinda shows the different approach FLO has taken with their DC Fast chargers. The FLO units are self contained. The entire unit is in that fat blue cabinet. The Tesla units are just the pedestals. They have the electronics contained in the other cabinets and the pedestals are just a fancy place to hang the cable. They both produce the same product. 400 volt DC at high current levels. Hope that helps. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51447579188_9faaaa4404_c.jpg A better pic. This is the supercharger and FLO site about a block from our house. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51401708141_52bea70da1_c.jpg
Reisender 07/28/22 03:56pm Truck Campers
RE: Electric Ford F-150 and Four Wheel Camper Make Alaska Run

Hi Joe. What looks like generators at a Supercharger are the actual charger racks. The other things with the cord and the connectors are just the pedestals. The actual electronics is actually are in the cabinets that look like generators but they are not. Here is a pic. This is a trailer slot but you can see the cabinets on the left and another dozen pedestals in the background. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52169494357_e4c3aedeb6_c.jpg Here is another pic. Those are the inverter racks on the right. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52169494007_e2e751dfc6_c.jpg
Reisender 07/28/22 03:48pm Truck Campers
RE: Electric Ford F-150 and Four Wheel Camper Make Alaska Run

Lol. :). We melt in heat. Our friends told us early spring misses the hurricanes and the heat. So tentatively shooting for spring 2024. If you see this rig you know we made it. :) https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52204803650_28727cdd0e_c.jpg Cheers.
Reisender 07/28/22 01:47pm Truck Campers
RE: Electric Ford F-150 and Four Wheel Camper Make Alaska Run

Can't help but notice that no one is charging their electric car in the second photo. Where in the pristine forest I did they put the diesel generator to power the electric cords that power the electric cars? Nothing political I assure you but I'm curious where all of this electric powered stuff is going to get their power from. Who pays for the fuel that is trucked to the generators that power the electric cars and who pays for the maintenance of the same. Is it taxes. If so when we all buy an electric car instead of a fuel driven car can we expect our taxes to go way up? The electric grid maintenance workers will want to unionize and that will drive prices up. Everyone who owns an electric car lets say 400 million on the roads are going to have an incredible amount of waste that will of course have to recycled or put in a special landfill. Uneducated people in charge will of course see a need for yet more conservation and put limits on the electric vehicles all in the name of the planet and their pockets. That leads to the question of heating our homes with the same dirty polluting fossil fuels that the electric cars are fighting against. A scenario we already have in place with fossil fuels. Good morning. Are we looking at different pictures? There is a blue car charging at the far station. I have never seen a diesel generator at any charge station anywhere in Canada and we have used hundreds across the country. In the case of this pic you can see the BC hydro transformer in the pic. Good morning to you, I know know the post sounds snarky it is not meant to be. I do not have a clue as to how anything operates in Canada. I would be lying if I told you I did. Here where I live in Florida and my home town of Binghamton ny these charging stations are hooked into the established power grid. As you get further out of town in both states you lose the established grid and the charging stations are right next to the generator. I believe you plug the car in and the generator turns on. My question or point that I poorly made is what is the difference between the electric vehicle and the well established fossil fuel system. Please don’t compare apples to oranges you and I know that a great of pollution is put into our environment by building either car. They both make pollution in there own way. My question is why change one system to a new system that’s produces exactly the same outcome in the long run. What is a hydro transformer. Thanks, joe Hi Joe. Yah. Not up on how it is down there. BC hydro is the name of our provincial utility. Up here the word hydro is synonymous with “power”. So for example someone may ask you. Hey Joe, how big was your hydro bill this month? Meaning how big was your power bill. So a BC hydro transformer is just an electrical transformer. It’s the same in a few other provinces, for example, Hydro Quebec etc. Hope that helps. Thanks, this is similar to what I was talking about here where I live the article is from Australia but the pic says it all. Again not being a smarty pants just pointing out what I see. https://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/the-diesel-generator-behind-the-electric-car-charging-point/ Hi Joe. I got a few replies from the Central Florida Electric Vehicle Association on facebook. I took a screen shot of one of them. What you may have seen is the Florida power and light test bed. Sounds like it may be pallet mounted and one person on another group felt it was painted a light tan colour. Maybe that is what you saw. Anyway, sounds like it is a work in progress. Here is the screen shot. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52248102310_963e728069_c.jpg We have camping friends in Florida and are hoping to camp thru that area in early spring of 2024...ish. Cheers.
Reisender 07/28/22 01:13pm Truck Campers
RE: New Freedom Express 192rbs is home

That 490 tongue weight was likely about right,,,,, before the battery and propane tank were added. Enjoy Probably so. just another reference for not using factory numbers. It's pretty much loaded so I'll get a new weight soon. May actually go down. I had to remove the spare from under the a-frame to get the equalizer brackets on. No way to put it back on. So it will likely end up in the truck. The rear bumper has zero clearance from the body and a sticker warning any non-factory attachments will void the frame warranty. Congrats. Love that floor plan. The dry weight numbers are correct. But yes, the propane and battery are not included in dry weights.
Reisender 07/28/22 12:23pm Travel Trailers
RE: Electric Ford F-150 and Four Wheel Camper Make Alaska Run

Can't help but notice that no one is charging their electric car in the second photo. Where in the pristine forest I did they put the diesel generator to power the electric cords that power the electric cars? Nothing political I assure you but I'm curious where all of this electric powered stuff is going to get their power from. Who pays for the fuel that is trucked to the generators that power the electric cars and who pays for the maintenance of the same. Is it taxes. If so when we all buy an electric car instead of a fuel driven car can we expect our taxes to go way up? The electric grid maintenance workers will want to unionize and that will drive prices up. Everyone who owns an electric car lets say 400 million on the roads are going to have an incredible amount of waste that will of course have to recycled or put in a special landfill. Uneducated people in charge will of course see a need for yet more conservation and put limits on the electric vehicles all in the name of the planet and their pockets. That leads to the question of heating our homes with the same dirty polluting fossil fuels that the electric cars are fighting against. A scenario we already have in place with fossil fuels. Good morning. Are we looking at different pictures? There is a blue car charging at the far station. I have never seen a diesel generator at any charge station anywhere in Canada and we have used hundreds across the country. In the case of this pic you can see the BC hydro transformer in the pic. Good morning to you, I know know the post sounds snarky it is not meant to be. I do not have a clue as to how anything operates in Canada. I would be lying if I told you I did. Here where I live in Florida and my home town of Binghamton ny these charging stations are hooked into the established power grid. As you get further out of town in both states you lose the established grid and the charging stations are right next to the generator. I believe you plug the car in and the generator turns on. My question or point that I poorly made is what is the difference between the electric vehicle and the well established fossil fuel system. Please don’t compare apples to oranges you and I know that a great of pollution is put into our environment by building either car. They both make pollution in there own way. My question is why change one system to a new system that’s produces exactly the same outcome in the long run. What is a hydro transformer. Thanks, joe Hi Joe. Yah. Not up on how it is down there. BC hydro is the name of our provincial utility. Up here the word hydro is synonymous with “power”. So for example someone may ask you. Hey Joe, how big was your hydro bill this month? Meaning how big was your power bill. So a BC hydro transformer is just an electrical transformer. It’s the same in a few other provinces, for example, Hydro Quebec etc. Hope that helps. Thanks, this is similar to what I was talking about here where I live the article is from Australia but the pic says it all. Again not being a smarty pants just pointing out what I see. https://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/the-diesel-generator-behind-the-electric-car-charging-point/ Yah. Never seen anything like that here. I think Norway has some routes that are have travel centres backed up by diesel. EV’s ustion routes etc. I’m not sure if you have been to Norway recently but charge stations are replacing gas pumps in travel centres at a very fast rate. But the diesel is just for emergency evacuations other than monthly exercise cycles etc. That seems like a good idea. I’ll see if I can get some specs and data on the Florida diesel charging units from the Florida members of the EV towing Facebook group. I can see how that might be helpful during one of those hurricane season events. Cheers.
Reisender 07/28/22 10:03am Truck Campers
RE: Electric Ford F-150 and Four Wheel Camper Make Alaska Run

Can't help but notice that no one is charging their electric car in the second photo. Where in the pristine forest I did they put the diesel generator to power the electric cords that power the electric cars? Nothing political I assure you but I'm curious where all of this electric powered stuff is going to get their power from. Who pays for the fuel that is trucked to the generators that power the electric cars and who pays for the maintenance of the same. Is it taxes. If so when we all buy an electric car instead of a fuel driven car can we expect our taxes to go way up? The electric grid maintenance workers will want to unionize and that will drive prices up. Everyone who owns an electric car lets say 400 million on the roads are going to have an incredible amount of waste that will of course have to recycled or put in a special landfill. Uneducated people in charge will of course see a need for yet more conservation and put limits on the electric vehicles all in the name of the planet and their pockets. That leads to the question of heating our homes with the same dirty polluting fossil fuels that the electric cars are fighting against. A scenario we already have in place with fossil fuels. Good morning. Are we looking at different pictures? There is a blue car charging at the far station. I have never seen a diesel generator at any charge station anywhere in Canada and we have used hundreds across the country. In the case of this pic you can see the BC hydro transformer in the pic. Good morning to you, I know know the post sounds snarky it is not meant to be. I do not have a clue as to how anything operates in Canada. I would be lying if I told you I did. Here where I live in Florida and my home town of Binghamton ny these charging stations are hooked into the established power grid. As you get further out of town in both states you lose the established grid and the charging stations are right next to the generator. I believe you plug the car in and the generator turns on. My question or point that I poorly made is what is the difference between the electric vehicle and the well established fossil fuel system. Please don’t compare apples to oranges you and I know that a great of pollution is put into our environment by building either car. They both make pollution in there own way. My question is why change one system to a new system that’s produces exactly the same outcome in the long run. What is a hydro transformer. Thanks, joe Hi Joe. Yah. I’m not up on how it is down there. BC hydro is the name of our provincial utility. Up here the word hydro is synonymous with “power”. So for example someone may ask you. Hey Joe, how big was your hydro bill this month? Meaning how big was your power bill. So a BC hydro transformer is just an electrical transformer. It’s the same in a few other provinces, for example, Hydro Quebec etc. Hope that helps.
Reisender 07/28/22 09:22am Truck Campers
RE: Electric Ford F-150 and Four Wheel Camper Make Alaska Run

Can't help but notice that no one is charging their electric car in the second photo. Where in the pristine forest I did they put the diesel generator to power the electric cords that power the electric cars? Nothing political I assure you but I'm curious where all of this electric powered stuff is going to get their power from. Who pays for the fuel that is trucked to the generators that power the electric cars and who pays for the maintenance of the same. Is it taxes. If so when we all buy an electric car instead of a fuel driven car can we expect our taxes to go way up? The electric grid maintenance workers will want to unionize and that will drive prices up. Everyone who owns an electric car lets say 400 million on the roads are going to have an incredible amount of waste that will of course have to recycled or put in a special landfill. Uneducated people in charge will of course see a need for yet more conservation and put limits on the electric vehicles all in the name of the planet and their pockets. That leads to the question of heating our homes with the same dirty polluting fossil fuels that the electric cars are fighting against. A scenario we already have in place with fossil fuels. Good morning. Are we looking at different pictures? There is a blue car charging at the far station. I have never seen a diesel generator at any charge station anywhere in Canada and we have used hundreds across the country. In the case of this pic you can see the BC hydro transformer in the pic.
Reisender 07/28/22 07:41am Truck Campers
RE: Electric Ford F-150 and Four Wheel Camper Make Alaska Run

Here's the map. Pretty much everything on the south side is in. We have charged at many of them. The north side (north of highway 16) is still coming. Big project, and only about a 6 month work window. Yukon is working on it from their side as well. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52246297439_38601ffb02_c.jpg I just read a little blurb that speculates that about a third of these are the 25 kw safety sites. Useful but not a great place to charge. This is a typical 25 KW safety site. Usually 2 x 25 KW CCS and Chademo machines and apparently the new ones also have a J1772 level 2 7.2 KW unit. Its the little unit on the right. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49918082847_02b3bf31d5_c.jpg This is what many of the BC hydro sites will be like. This is a single charger site but apparently most will be duals. These are typically 50 KW machines. This is Rogers pass BC. Hard to believe with all that snow we took this in June. :) This was from our cross Canada trip. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52170994495_0c8a930943_c.jpg
Reisender 07/27/22 05:49pm Truck Campers
RE: Electric Ford F-150 and Four Wheel Camper Make Alaska Run

Slowly getting better. But they need a significant breakthrough in technology before they will really be ready to be workhorses. To say nothing of the improvements that will be needed in the electrical grid and the technology used to put energy into that grid. Making the trip up or down the Alaska Highway today with a diesel powered vehicle can be "challenging" due to the spacing of diesel fueling stations, especially for those who never learned about "driving on the top half of the tank". And that's during the summer tourist season - making the trip in the winter is even harder as many stations are closed then. Yep. Done that. I took a look at BC hydros map though. Looks pretty comprehensive. It’s kind of a 30 month projection. Kinda hard to count on a little map but I would say probably 40 fast chargers locations connecting 16 to both the Yukon side and the Alaska side. That’s not including what the Yukon has already installed and will be installing to meet them. Big project. Not much info on what they are using for chargers. I would think they”ll start with the 50 KW units and upgrade to a 100 or 150’s later. I’ll try and put the map up later. Jmho.
Reisender 07/27/22 05:22pm Truck Campers
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