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RE: 3/4 ton diesel vs. gas

What deafening noise? Maybe if your exhaust is rusted out. Our V10 is smooth and quiet. You can hear the change in pitch when you get up to 3000rpm but nothing deafening. Talk of 5500rpm is just trying to sooth his ego to justify why he paid so much more for a diesel. Again, you have to figure that you only tow a 7,500 lb trailer with a V10 which any half ton on the market can do(even the 3.0L diesels). One can say pulling such a small load with a V10 that is rated to tow 15k is soothing an ego just to justify a gaser. Start pulling closer to that V10's max ratings up hills at higher speeds than 60 mph(if you can even get there) and you will know what 5,500 rpm sounds like. Again, this in the range of size the OP is talking about. He is not talking about towing a 15k trailer. And again, when referring to a gas engine screaming at 5k, they are meaning when it actually tows a heavy load, not a light 7.5k trailer. Doing the math on how much horsepower you are making at 3k, I don't see you towing very fast up even slight moderate 3% grades even with a light 7.5k trailer. According to the specs on your engine(making 457 lb-ft at 3,250 rpm) and calculating parasitic drive-train loss along with elevation loss, you need to be over 3k to make enough power to tow at higher (or normal to me) speeds up an incline greater than 3%. Either that or you are going slower than 60 mph. Also, the OP already stated he is having his diesel fixed and keeping it so it is al moot at this point.
ShinerBock 04/30/21 06:47am Tow Vehicles
RE: This should help with future GM EV tow vehicles.

Man, you would think based on how many times you guys make new threads about electric tow vehicles that there would be a lot of people actually towing with them..... How many of you all that constantly make a new electric vehicle thread every other day actually use yours to tow your RV? If not, then why so many different threads about electric vehicles in a tow vehicles section? Why not just keep it to one thread like the Tesla Semi thread that seems to defy all odds by never getting closed yet other threads have gotten closed for less(you guys must have some blackmail pictures of Marty:B). And then when more people actually do use electric vehicles for towing, we can bring it to the tow vehicles section since it finally has relevance. Just a thought.
ShinerBock 04/29/21 02:58pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 3/4 ton diesel vs. gas

What deafening noise? Maybe if your exhaust is rusted out. Our V10 is smooth and quiet. You can hear the change in pitch when you get up to 3000rpm but nothing deafening. Talk of 5500rpm is just trying to sooth his ego to justify why he paid so much more for a diesel. Again, you have to figure that you only tow a 7,500 lb trailer with a V10 which any half ton on the market can do(even the 3.0L diesels). One can say pulling such a small load with a V10 that is rated to tow 15k is soothing an ego just to justify a gaser. Start pulling closer to that V10's max ratings up hills at higher speeds than 60 mph(if you can even get there) and you will know what 5,500 rpm sounds like. You mean like the thousands upon thousands of large class A motorhomes that use the V10? Yeah, like this one which is on this class A that is only 22k. Just hear how "quiet" that engine isn't and how they get 6mpg versus double that in their past diesel class A. Our Gas RV Experience – Noise, Ride & Performance Vallhalla is only towing 14.5k combined so of course his will not have to scream as loud as something that is 22k combined like mine is when towing my RV and hardly ever goes above 2k rpm towing it.
ShinerBock 04/29/21 12:19pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 3/4 ton diesel vs. gas

What deafening noise? Maybe if your exhaust is rusted out. Our V10 is smooth and quiet. You can hear the change in pitch when you get up to 3000rpm but nothing deafening. Talk of 5500rpm is just trying to sooth his ego to justify why he paid so much more for a diesel. Again, you have to figure that you only tow a 7,500 lb trailer with a V10 which any half ton on the market can do(even the 3.0L diesels). One can say pulling such a small load with a V10 that is rated to tow 15k is soothing an ego just to justify a gaser. Start pulling closer to that V10's max ratings up hills at higher speeds than 60 mph(if you can even get there) and you will know what 5,500 rpm sounds like.
ShinerBock 04/29/21 06:43am Tow Vehicles
RE: 3/4 ton diesel vs. gas

I’ve owned six diesels. Bored family and friends to tears with how wonderful they were. Got tired of the sound of the diesel groaning up the hills because they can’t rev. A Cummins howling at 2900 rpm up hill gives a new meaning to a screaming engine. Between that and the potential for horrendous repair costs, I went back to gas. My new 2020 7.3 powered F-250 makes very easy work of towing our trailer. Very quiet and vibration free. Not even a hint of a desire for another diesel. I have driven both the new PSD and the 7.3L at a fleet event my company was invited to and will say that the PSD tows a lot quieter than the 7.3L. Going up hills especially at highway speed is where the difference really lies. Under 55 mph, there was not much of a difference between the two other than the 7.3L needing to go into the higher rpms to get the trailer moving. Above 55 mph, the 7.3L starts to feel lacking in comparison to the PSD and you need to drop down a few gears at higher rpm to get close to the same effect of acceleration and/or grade-ability. If a diesel is howling at 2,900 rpm to get up a hill, then a N/A gaser would be well above 5,000 going slower pulling the same hill, just my expereince.
ShinerBock 04/29/21 06:10am Tow Vehicles
RE: 3/4 ton diesel vs. gas

Re-evaluated my old Excel chart I did years back to compare costs with my current mileage of 140k Seems I would still come out ahead with the diesel (even if I didn't tow) with current resale values versus the 6.4L, but slightly over the 5.7L. Exact same spread as when I did it years ago with the 5.7L being the cheapest, the Cummins coming in within $500 more, and the 6.4L coming in last as the most expensive option especially if you use the recommended 89 octane. Everyone's situation may differ depending on costs and values in your area. I would still think a diesel would be worth it even if my truck cost $2k more than the gaser version due to the added performance and ease of towing. That is not a lot of money to pay for the added value over the course of six years. I paid more than that for my Ecoboost engine in my F150 versus the base engine. https://i.postimg.cc/y6QWW280/Truck-Costs.png height=650 width=650
ShinerBock 04/28/21 08:29am Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

Well, now you got me doing a bit of searching on my own. The most recent info I can find anywhere (late February from Pickuptrucks.com) says they are sure that RAM is going with the same 10 speed Allison that is used in the GM twins. Pickuptrucks.com Just two months earlier, they were sure it was going to be Allison, but a brand new transmission that is a 9 speed. 9 speed Further searching brings back the rumors of the ZF. So who knows. But it does sound like some sort of update is in the works. I honestly think that Cummins12V98 will blow a blood vessel if they put that "fake" Allison with the Cummins..... :B
ShinerBock 04/27/21 01:28pm Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

Understandable. Well, I could be wrong, of course, but have been tracking this since aboot 2018. With all the weird stuff going on in manufacturing between the Plandemic effects and chip shortages and everything else, who knows. It should have been out already but Ram held off on inking an agreement with ZF until not too long ago. Presumably because Allison was courting them too. Hope I’m right because this 68rfe I got right now was obsolete the day they introduced it! Cheers! Be prepared for an oil shortage soon as well. It just hit us and multiple oil suppliers like Mobil, Shell, and Chevron have reduced our orders because they cannot meet demand. It hasn't really affected our customers yet since we still have some stock. I am being told that it is due to the week-long freeze we had in Texas that shut down the refineries that made the additives that go into the oil. We also have over $12 million in parts backorders with Cummins because their second and third-tier suppliers are having a hard time keeping up due to the plandemic. Many of our other suppliers have a backorder list a mile long as well.
ShinerBock 04/27/21 01:23pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 3/4 ton diesel vs. gas

You know that hill you go up now at 2000 RPM in your diesel? It will be at 5500 RPM in the gasser. If you like to hear a screaming motor, get the gasser. Really? Just finished a 7 month loop of the US including time in the Rockies and the Appalachians. We are pulling around 7500lb with a 2008 V10. Never saw over 3000rpm up hill and only touched 3500rpm a couple times on steep downhills (usually never got above 3000rpm on downhills). It's all quite sedate. That is probably because schlep1967 was talking about a much heavier weight. A 7,500 trailer is really light in my opinion. I pulled heavier 9.5k trailers with my old F-150HD that had a turbocharged V6 and it hardly ever got above 3k rpm. OP, this is all going to personal opinion. One person may say that towing with a gaser is fine while another may not like it. Everyone's personal preferences are different and everyone tows different size/weight trailers in different situations. As was already stated, you get over 300 hp at just 2,000 rpm with every one of today's diesel. That is enough horsepower to keep speed up most hills towing 12-14k trailers. A gaser would need over 4k rpm to produce the same amount of horsepower and that is if the torque converter is locked. A diesel or gaser in an HD pick up is no differnce than a V8 or V6 in a muscle car. You will have to pay up front if you want the added perfromance, however, unlike the v8 versus V6 in the muscle car, the diesel in the HD gets better fuel which helps(notice I said helps) pay for itself when resale is also included. I will say that right now, used diesel trucks are very expensive due to new truck shortage. I paid a little over $50k for mine(MSRP $64k) back in 2014 and I had a local dealer offer me $42k. The 6.4L gaser equavalent of my truck would be less than $29k according to KBB.
ShinerBock 04/27/21 07:58am Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

I agree Marty. The 1000 has been in multiple medium-duty trucks from Isuzu's to Internationals. I can't tell you many times someone outside the medium/heavy-duty industry has tried to dictate to me what is or isn't medium duty as if they have the power to change vehicle classifications. To me, it is just as silly as a civilian who has never been in the military trying to tell a person in the military for many years what should or shouldn't be considered a military weapon.
ShinerBock 04/23/21 12:26pm Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

Other truck forums have the same silly discussion. If you care that much, go get a Prius or a Tesla. I know my current truck is 900km empty/700km full. Can I get better? Sure, but knowing that makes my life easier when driving. Or just get a 4 banger diesel car, then delete and tune it 225rwhp/375rwtq so you can have a fun 40-mile commute. That is my case so I don't really care what kind of fuel mileage I get in my truck. I did care more about fuel mileage in my truck back when it was my only vehicle and my fuel bill was over $350 every month.
ShinerBock 04/23/21 09:48am Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

OP here Still Don't Care About Fuel Mileage. I don't either, especially since my diesel car gets over 40 mpg, and only record mileage for tax reasons. However, I was just clearing up some misinformation that someone was trying to use as a jab toward someone else. Sorry that it kept going on. Back on the topic.
ShinerBock 04/23/21 08:57am Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

I have tracked the mileage and fuel put into my truck and calibrated the mpg meter. At my last fill up my trip meter read 14.2 litres per 100 km. Calculating the actual came out to 14.15 L/100 km. I agree the 10 speed on its own can not account for the increased mileage that the 2021 gets over the ‘17. I think the mileage increase is about 18%. I have no way of knowing where the gain is coming from but maybe 6% is gained directly from the new transmission. I’m possibly gaining an additional 6% due to being able to run 3.31 gears vs 3.55s in the past. The improvements to the engine might account for another 6%. According to Fuelly the 2017 got 12.9 mpg and the 2020/21 gets about 12.5 mpg. Whether or not my 18% is accurate or not I’ll never know but I’m 100% certain that I’m getting significantly better fuel economy. I’m not saying that the data posted on Fuelly is necessarily wrong but to take that data and claim that the 2021 Powerstroke is less fuel efficient than the 2017 is just not accurate. We have no way of knowing how each of these trucks are being used. I still don't trust computers and will never trust anyone who quotes them based on my own experience. Also, you are not looking at all of the data. There is a reason why I posted the gains for the F250 as well because the F350( as well as 1-tons from other brands) vary from year to year depending. One-tons generally get used for towing way more often than their 3/4-ton counterparts hence the reason why I added the data for that as well since it is way more likely to have unloaded fuel economy than the 1-ton group. The numbers posted are actual recorded fuel mileage(better than the computer), but a group from year A may have more towing miles than a group from year B. Or, the group from year A can have more DRW trucks than year B. Again, I posted info on the 3/4-ton to account for this and all of the data posted should be accounted for, not just cherry-picking parts to make one's favorite look better. If you notice the mileage increase on the 3/4-tons, it is only a 6-7% increase from averaging 2017-2019 versus 2020-2021 numbers.
ShinerBock 04/23/21 07:49am Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

I’m saying you’re wrong. Your fleet data and Fuelly are not in anyway intended to be scientific tests designed to measure fuel economy in one vehicle vs another under identical conditions. You could perform a more scientific test than that taking two different trucks on a five mile test drive. There is no way that the 10 speed can account for the dramatic improvement in fuel economy from the previous Powerstroke to the present. I’ve had 5, 6.7 Powerstrokes prior to my 2021s and they all got fairly similar mileage. 18 mpg US was about the best I remember seeing out any of them, and that would be at about 62 mph. My 2021 is able to do 21.5 at 70 mph and I’ve seen 23 mpg on one occasion. The day I picked up my 2021 we ran one of the 2017s and the ‘21 one behind the other for 120 km. It was kind of a windy day and neither truck was performing its best. Both mpg meters are calibrated. The 2017 read 14.5 litres per 100 km (16.2 mpg) and the 2021 read 11.8 litres per 100 km (19.9 mpg US) I have since travelled that exact same stretch of highway and measured 10.2 litres per 100 km with the 2021. These mpg figures are for comparison purposes only as none of them take into account fuel lost to cleaning the DPF. Actually, there is a scientific way of telling whether a 10-speed will gain fuel economy and it has already been done by Ford on many of their vehicles for EPA mileage data on window stickers. Not one of their vehicles that they replaced a 6-speed with a 10-speed gained more than 10% better fuel economy. Neither has any other manufacturer that has done the same even with their diesel engines such as GM. Most if not all were just a 6-7% increase so there is no way in the world you will get me to believe that somehow all PSD's gained over 20% better fuel economy while all other vehicles around the world did not even get close to that when they switched to a 10-speed. Either you have a super special unicorn that should not be an example of what all other PSD trucks should get or your computer is not telling you actual numbers on either truck. Seeing that computers just use algorithms and do not actually measure the amount of fuel being used, I will go with the latter. I never never never never never never trust anyone's mileage readings off their computer because from my experience from recording over 11 vehicles including Ford's, BMW, Jeeps, Ram's and so on, not one was 100% accurate all the time and most were anywhere from 5-20% off. Many vehicles were close about 30% of the time and then way off the rest of the time. The more times I stoped/start the engine, generally, the more it was off. Here are a few examples I did a few years ago of my Ram and BMW showing how "correct" my computer was to actual. Ram 2500 https://i.postimg.cc/gJ4w5ybZ/Ram-2500-Actual-vs-Comp-4-19.png height=350 width=800 BMW 328d https://i.postimg.cc/v8xb1MLf/328d-mpg-9-24-19.png height=350 width=800 So experience tells me not to trust the computer and I take the numbers that people quote from their computer with a grain of salt.
ShinerBock 04/23/21 06:31am Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

Shiner you are misusing data to try to proof something to be that isn’t. You just have to trust me when I say the increase in fuel economy from the 17 to 21 Powerstroke is astounding. I feel like I’m standing in front of a hippopotamus and you’re convinced you can get me to believe I’m looking at a giraffe. So you are telling me I cannot trust Fuelly, not trust the EPA fuel mileage test(which Ford performs) from other 6 to 10 speed vehicles, not trust all our fleet data from our 10-speed half tons and Superduty's, not trust ZF and many other transmission manufacturers, but trust TFL and you when you say you a 10-speed transmission increased your fuel mileage 23%. Sorry, but no. And I don't even think Ford would back you in saying that a 10-speed transmission increases fuel mileage by more 10% let alone 23% like you are claiming. In fact, if I remember correctly from of their slides about the 10 speed, even they said expected fuel mileage increase of 6-7%.
ShinerBock 04/22/21 05:54pm Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

Looks like my company isn't the only one only seeing a modest 6-7% increase. The EPA is as well with other Ford models that transitioned from 6 to 10-speed transmissions. Many others like Toyota, Honda, and FCA posted similar increases going from 6 to 8-speed transmissions as well. I guess they are all lying as well? https://i.postimg.cc/k4dQRFFx/Ford-10-speed.png height=350 width=600 Are More Gears the Answer to Improve MPG?
ShinerBock 04/22/21 03:35pm Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

So all of the fuel records from our fleet of hundreds of diesel trucks are lying too when the data states that it is only about a 6-7% gain with the new trans is null and void while the one-time event from TFL is the final word? A 6-7% gain is decent, but it isn't astounding especially when it only matches what the Cummins trucks are already getting.
ShinerBock 04/22/21 02:58pm Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

So what I see in our fleet records and on Fuelly from hundreds of vehicles and millions of miles of data is wrong versus a one-time event on TFL truck......
ShinerBock 04/22/21 01:21pm Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

I would not call less than a 10% increase astounding. Maybe over 15%, but not anything less than 10%. Our fleet increased about 7% between our 2017-2019 with a 6-speed versus the 2020-2021 trucks with a 10-speed. Even less of a difference for the trucks that are constantly loaded with a utility bed, cranes, and other equipment. Not too far off from Fuelly's numbers in regards to difference. From our numbers, the only thing the 10-speed did is allow the PSD trucks to match the fuel mileage that the Cummins powered trucks in our fleet were already acheiving.
ShinerBock 04/22/21 12:31pm Tow Vehicles
RE: F 250 vs Ram 2500

12.4 must be average mpg while towing is it? Like I said you can find data to support whatever you want to believe. Both have many towing miles hence the reason why I say real world because it is a combination of both loaded and unloaded. Every one of my vehicles throughout the years, my wife's vehicles, and friends and family's vehicles have aligned within 5% of what is posted on Fuelly. On the flip side, most have never been able to replicate the fuel mileage of sites like TFL posts. I would put more faith in a large quantity of data like Fuelly rather than one-off events. But if you prefer one-off events then, by all means, that is your prerogative. Just don't expect me to hold what you say in regards to that one-off event as fact or with any validity.
ShinerBock 04/22/21 09:27am Tow Vehicles
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