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RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

Well, I'm not sure the OP was actually looking for a lot of speculative guessing as to the cause of the problem. Seems to me the original point was to warn folks to be aware of the possibilities and inspect your rig on a regular basis. There are probably dozens if not hundreds of things that could have caused or contributed to the crack. Things break. The point is that we should all crawl under our rigs and look for things that "ain't" right from time to time. Yes the point is to check your rigs first, second tell your buddy, third see if this is a bigger problem then thought. Thanks for posting your response... Getting tired of biting my tounge from all the arm chair quarter backs and the sole damage cause when they don't know the people or the equipment. But as much as I hate to bite my tongue, I sure do enjoy people watching for those theories.
aksnowman 01/14/19 03:04pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

Also the triangles (widgets) welded on the frame are additions that add strength that aren't on my brother's. Those are called gussets. Thanks..
aksnowman 01/11/19 06:18pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

Report form Please get your brother to report this. Maybe it will initiate a recall that might save a life or two. When the government re-opens, that is. He has calls into the manufactures and we are gathering all the info to contact the NTSB.
aksnowman 01/11/19 06:18pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

Ok for clarity, the frame extension is forward of the photo area and not any part of this problem so please drop that. Second the owner or previous owner (Brother knows the guy as a neighbor) have not in anyway overloaded the the tow hitch so please stop with the arm chair quarterbacking saying it is possible owner overload. It just did not happen. Both present and previous owners towed within the weight limits and tongue limits. they only towed a small trailer with a golf cart on it and regular within limit toad. There does look to be a welding blow thru at the l bracket but the other side cracked also and there is no bracket or weld there. And no I am not mad or ill tempered about any of the posts, I do have a direct manner of communicating and can be sarcastic. Lastly, on another Forum, it seems someone else has identified this problem on their rig. Which to me is a small success because that is one less tragedy on the road and means tat getting this out has a positive effect. Thanks all for your inputs and keep them coming
aksnowman 01/11/19 11:13am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

For what it's worth the images are 10 minutes old and taken of a 12 year old Thor Hurricane 31D gas chassis coach. The hitch is bolted to extensions welded to the chassis. Lots of miles since 2011 towing a 2005 CRV and a 1998 Accord. Prior to spring of 2011 no idea what the first owner towed. Initial impression of the failure image it really looks like at some point the hitch was overloaded for vertical weight somehow. Owners of gas chassis rigs really have to watch the weight when towing. There's a lot of frame and extensions behind the rear axle. Makes for a rather efficient level using the axle as a pivot point. Extensions also have to be considered. The average rig is only rated for 500 lbs vertical. For horizontal weight it's a difficult target to meet. There are new production rigs with 8K lbs advertised tow limits but when you do the math it is very difficult to make the combined weight other than with a very light loading of the coach. https://i.imgur.com/RZHnvzgl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8Bw1TXcl.jpg The mounting of the hitch with the plate on top of the frame sure looks better than what is on my brother's. Also the triangles (widgets) welded on the frame are additions that add strength that aren't on my brother's. Question, are you using and extensions at the hitch or a riser to move the hitch up and down?
aksnowman 01/11/19 11:02am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

I said that if the height difference was great, the force on the hitch could be greater, even if the tow bar WAS level. This is called leverage and that leverage will increase as the height difference increases. Hitches have a rated capacity when the load is level with the hitch receiver. If the drop hitch put the ball too low it could possibly have hit the ground at some point and put a lot of increased stress on the hitch/frame. Now that point about a riser or extension is a good one... I will be asking him if he used one.
aksnowman 01/10/19 06:52pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

You can forget about the use of a WDH... there never was one on this Class A. Brother tows a small truck and previous owner towed a small trailer with a golf cart on it.
aksnowman 01/10/19 06:48pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

Looks like an old crack with what I think I see is rust where the metal cracked. This probably has been growing for a while if it was a fresh break there would be a bright shine to the broken pieces. I was thinking the same thing. There is a spot by the l bracket that looks like the frame was weakened by the welder... do you see a burn thru? But the other side was cracked the same and there is no welding on that frame.
aksnowman 01/10/19 06:45pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

Easy big guy, nobody said it was a bad weld. I was agreeing with your statement that "It won't hurt to take a look at your own hitch" because I too almost lost my hitch even though it was a factory installation and I had dragged a Jeep around for 30K miles before it became an issue. Just a quick answer, wasn't meaning to seem ill tempered... Were you using a riser or an extension?
aksnowman 01/10/19 06:43pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

I'm not sure of the height difference between the hitch and the toad base plate but common sense says that if there is a huge difference in height, this can put undue strain on the hitch. A typical toad with a tow bar has basically zero hitch weight but during acceleration, braking, and bumps, the bending force from the tow bar can cause a hitch to bend, or in this case, maybe the frame to tear, even if the tow bar is level. Wasn't there but saw the end product of the base plate installation when he was here last summer... The installation of the Base plate was one of the best I had ever seen. The tow bar was level with the RV when hooked up. So there was no extra down or up pressure on the system, the stress was forward and backward, level distribution of stressors. I have seen other towers connected that have inclines that I would be scared of and even the installation allows for a slight angle to the hookup bars. His, again was level. Your thought that bumps, braking and other normal operations would cause this are unfounded and ill-conceived. If you were correct this type of damage should be seen on all tow systems which are designed to take the bumps, stops starts and emergency stops and maneuvers.
aksnowman 01/10/19 11:50am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

From the picture, that is the Ford frame that has failed, not an extension added by the Thor. I can't say for sure, but it looks like someone used a weight distributing hitch with this setup, that it was not designed for one. More than likely, the factory information packet also says to not use a weight distributing hitch either. I guess Thor should have thought of that... Original equipment....
aksnowman 01/10/19 11:39am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

...It won't hurt to take a look at your own hitch.I came home from a cross-country trip one year. Same deal... removing the hitch and something seem different and I noticed a weld where the receiver mounted to the assembly that attached to the frame had a crack in it. Right down one side of the receiver tube. A marine welder friend said it was just a bad weld from the factory, and then he fixed it. Dave Except this is the frame that is cracked, on both sides (only have the one photo) so it aint a bad weld.
aksnowman 01/10/19 11:38am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

From the picture above. this is due to overload (weight) bearing down on the ball, using the rearward extension as a lever to twist the hitch. to me this is the user's fault. or the poor frame quality material. to note the, frame isn't as thick as the hitch. One more reason I'd never own a Thor Came real Close to calling you an ass... Stating this for the last time... Original Equipment installed during the manufacturing process. Original owner bought the RV with the standard tow hitch installed, the one you see in the picture. People, the is about getting the information out about a seriously dangerous problem. Not second guessing the installation, the use or the user. Please get the word out to Thor owners. It won't hurt to take a look at your own hitch.
aksnowman 01/10/19 11:02am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

Glad he caught it! frequent inspections go a long way towards safety. Personally I wouldn't bother notifying the Ford, the RV manufacturer or NTSB or anything. None of them are going to admit to anything, or do anything about it. They will just say he overloaded it. Take it to a good welder and let him go to town. Sure and how quilt should one feel when not reported and someone else's toad breaks free, causes damage to other's property, causes injury or death. Not sure how well he or I would sleep at night not having tried to do the right thing...
aksnowman 01/10/19 10:54am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

I'm able to see the image now. I can't believe Thor installed it that way. It had to be installed by second-party, not the manufacturer. If using bolts, the bolts should have gone through the frame (Horizontal-sideways), not on the bottom, (up and down vertical). No, this is after market, never intended by the manufacture to tow anything. Frame is too light. You can see that, especially compared to the hitch metal. Also, hitch looks much newer than the frame of the MH. In my opinion this is a result of overloading. Here again, is the brother the first and original owner? Wrong my Dutchman friend... Check their specs site... Rear HitchRear Hitch TypeReceiverTongue Weight 500 lbs. Tongue Weight (kgs)226.8 Towing Capacity 5,000 lbs. Their specs/their equipment
aksnowman 01/10/19 10:50am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

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aksnowman 01/10/19 10:02am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

Maybe the hitch was an after-market hitch, added on after the original purchase. Original equipment For the OP: Did your brother purchase the Motor Home brand new or used? If used, it's possible the previous owner had the hitch installed. And rather than welding, used the bolt-on method. Bought it used but this hitch is original equipment If this is the case, it's possible the frame was never intended to support a hitch capable of towing anything. This Thor Product with the original tow hitch is rated well above the weight of the toad. My previous trailer (Thor product) had a receiver hitch on the back, clearly labeled with a weight limit and clearly labeled not for towing. This is not a trailer or with wheel which I would not tow with nor recommend towing with My current 5er came with a factory installed hitch (welded) and it si clearly labeled with a weight limit and clearly labeled, Not For Towing. So, just wonder if the hitch was an after market? I would expect Thor Industries to have welded components. I've never seen one that was not. Me too, but Brother says he found this same problem occurred on a similar Thor product back in 2015. not welded then too... Welding is more expensive until hindsight is applied. LOL
aksnowman 01/10/19 09:49am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

I've had 6 Class A's and every one of them had the hitch WELDED to the frame. I Wonder why Thor went with a bolt on hitch. Not saying that a bolt on is bad, but I never had any issues with my welded on hitches. Agreed, but if the frame cracked from the towing, the bolts are fine.
aksnowman 01/10/19 09:22am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

Another example of why the breakaway cable should NOT be attached to the receiver. If the receiver detaches from the TV, the breakaway will never activate. The breakaway cable should alway be attached to some other portion of the TV. Only needs to be strong enough to pull the pin on the breakaway switch. The majority of the rigs I see have the breakaway cable attached to the safety chain loops on the receiver. Agreed, Just read the post below yours about safety cabling the hitch to the frame. Only issue is the frame is what cracked and if that happens to the the cause of a future incident then the compromised frame might not hold. But worth taking doing just the same.
aksnowman 01/10/19 09:07am Class A Motorhomes
RE: SAFETY WARNING FOR TOADS

Seems to me that is proof of the recommendation that "safety chains" should not be connected only to the hitch, but should also be connected from the hitch to the frame! Yes, I need to check mine and verify that there are chains from the receiver to the frame, and that the chains are connected to the toad frame, not just to the tow brackets... You are absolutely correct on that. I will also be looking to modify mine.
aksnowman 01/10/19 09:03am Class A Motorhomes
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