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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
It's just that he basically was bad mouthing something he should not have. "Bad transmission it needs more gears", it has gears he could have used them.
Someday the Ram will have more gears as well. Then these conversations will be moot.
My 2001 Dmax had a 5 speed, the 2011 a 6 speed. and the 2020 a 10 speed. Each tranny performed better than it's predessor.
You will agree once you have one
I agree re the more gears is nice! I remember the TH400 POS 3 sp auto in some GM's I had. The NV4500 better than the TH400, a bit better than the SM 4 sp. The 700R4 better than the 4L80E. The 05 5sp ally not bad. My current 6 sp in my 1500 is the best GM auto I've driven. DO have to admit, the 10 sp in the work transit van is the best so far. BUT, dare I say for how I use, don't need the 4.10 gears. The 3.55 I had in the previous 6sp should be better. Probably gain 2 mpg or there about too. I really don't need to be turning 2000 rpm at 60. 1600 was fine with the 6 sp auto transit at 60.
Best pulling transmission has been the Spicer 7sp emanual in my Navistar. The NV 4500 in my 96 6.5td was a good setup too with 4.10's.
Transmissions in general, keep getting better and better! As do engines, and the vehicles themselves generally speaking.
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/26/23 09:07pm |
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RE: Dual hitch adapter.. De-rating when extending hitch.
Grit, Guess we can say happy birthday. but your 11 yrs younger than me! Probably 20+ younger than a few others around here.
THen again, at 50 6 month, I got to live again, youngest was not one of them smart alek teenagers any more. THen again, if you kids are teenagers still.....you're still "REALLY OLD"
Im 8+ years from being an "olde phart!" Cummins 12v might be close to or over the "really Olde Phart" decade, ie 80!
SPouses B-day too, shes got a couple of years on me!
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/26/23 08:59pm |
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RE: Dual hitch adapter.. De-rating when extending hitch.
Do you know the manufacture of the hitch if so, contact them. Tork lift in Kent Washington has/had a few setups as you describe. They included a deduct for extended ball mounts.
If your near here, easy to get. If not, email, ask if they can do a hitch as scooby described. Easy to put on a pallet, ship to you ready to bolt onto your truck. Or in multiple pieces, assemble them one at a time.
On edit
Their are probably dozen places or more in Puget sound where I am that can custom build hitches to do as the customer wishes. Looks like you are in the Midwest. I would wager a small sum that you are at max, a days drive from an equal body bed hitch manufacturer. They can and will build a hitch to your specs. Not just a generic number.
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/25/23 02:53pm |
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RE: Can I tow this?
That will be closer to 1000 lbs of HW loaded.
Payload of burb? How many occupants and weights? My family of 6 with 4 adult sized teens was 1200-1300 lbs, plus 1000 lbs of hitch.....that's at the limit of most GM 15 series trucks, be it a burb, or my ext cab pickup. If it's just 2 adults, doable payload wise.
The 6.2l has upwards of a 12-14k tow rating iirc. Power is not the issue. It will be lack of payload.
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/20/23 06:02pm |
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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
At my age(will complete my 8th decade on the planet next June) I am slowly deciding that being the first to the top of the hill is not that important anymore.
Nothing wrong with that...
Considering how many times I have stalled out in first gear blowing up transmissions thru the last 40 years of towing.......I'm happy to get to the top of the hill at any speed! Especially the steeper grades here in puget sound that get upwards of 30% in grade.
Being to top heavy in power vs nothing at the bottom is not good either. Best if the truck you drive has the proper low gearing for low speed maneuvers, and HP for freeway hauling when and if you do a lot of that. Otherwise, you have the wrong tool!
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/20/23 06:55am |
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RE: High Mileage Trucks: PSD and Cummins and Duramax
275k for ANY engine may or may not be high mileage. If one figures life expectancy to be 250k in a light duty pickup use, the 275 becomes high mileage. No e of the pickup .motors will generally speaking get a million miles line the 6 cyl motors in class 8 rigs. My IDI 7.3 was known as a 100k mile throw away motor back in the day. The I6 motors were expecting 400-600k miles depending upon usage.
Psd7.3 and B5.9 got iirc around 450k before needing rebuilds back then in MDT use.
I haven't paid much attention the last decade or so on engine life, but the blocks seem to last, it's the add ons like fuel system, computers etc that seems to fail, hence getting rigs put in recycle/junk yards.
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/18/23 07:13pm |
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RE: Ball Height Adjustment Questions
Scooby,
My weight effect numbers are an example only. I do feel as the hitch goes up, ea inch or degree rise if you will, the amount lessoned will increase more at the say 5th degree inch than first, tenth degree more than 5th! Likewise, as you lower, the 10th degree, more hw than 5th, whis us more than the first degree.
Depending upon the actual wight of the hitch, I can see a 3-5" rise removing enough hw to cause fish tail sway or equal squirm in a trailer.
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/15/23 10:33pm |
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RE: Ball Height Adjustment Questions
Glad to hear it's better with an adjustment or two. The third will get it feeling better. Don't be afraid to put a few heavy things forward.
One past poster, found putting a 2nd 80 lb battery on the tongue helped lower the fidgeting of the trailer. Another with a tent trailer, put water jugs forward a few feet.
A few other things to tinker with.
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/15/23 11:05am |
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RE: Ball Height Adjustment Questions
Scooby,
Yes correct on the hitch weight changing. Level might be 100 lb, an inch high 98, 2' 95 lbs. Going down, an equal increase IE to 102, 105 lbs. Enough to stop fishtail sway? That would depend on the how high at the start, vs getting to level or slightly down as I prefer. Along with the actual change in weight that occurs during this swing.
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/15/23 09:39am |
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RE: towing advise please
One reason I like to make sure things are set up correct.....I loaded a bobcat in a trailer per a sales reps advice. It was 3-4' farther back than I would have done. Off I went with an 8500 lb trailer behind my 12k lb class 6 dump flatbed. Trailer was all over the road going side to side.
Pulled into an empty DOT scale along the freeway.
Weighed things. Truck was at typical 5900 front, 5700 rear empty weight. Trailer was at my estimated total 8500 on axles. Ooops, I had no hitch weight! No wonder the trailer was going side to side!
Moved the bobcat back the 3-4' where I thought it should be. Trailer axle was down 1000 lbs, rear on truck up 1020, front down 20 lbs.
I was two finger steering after that! Trailer tracked straight!
A BIG truck is not always going to stop fishtail sway!
If as noted, one is talking side wind movement. If the trailer is pulling straight, there is some side to side rocking, I call that somewhat normal. On my travel trailer, no bars there was more rocking, plain WD less, dual cam less yet. I could still pull the trailer at 60-65 without issues in 30+ crosswinds. With an 80+ mph gusts on I205 going over the Columbia river, that gust move me and everyone else in the road a half lane to driver's side. I had no fishtail sway. Everything moved as a unit. That's not to say a few brown stains weren't on my shorts!
I'm a set the trailer up so it can be pulled at 60 no bars etc. Then add the bars/Hensley as a backup. Because if you trailer wants to uncontroll sway move etc without bars, if the bars brake, fall off, as I had happen once, you will be in trouble! I didn't notice the bar fell off for 80 miles up and over a pass, mid winter with a light amount of snow and ice on the road
With this also said, I prefer not to pull trailers over 2x the rgawr. For "MOST" 15 series trucks, the rating is typically a max 4000-4500. So 9000 lbs of trailer. A 10k trailer, I would want an 8 lug 6000+ lb rated rear axle.
Today many 15 series trucks have more power, better gearing, performance etc than the BB 25/35 series trucks I owned and drive in the 70's and 80's. My C6 GM 1500 out pulls these trucks. I still would not pull a 10k box with it! Suspension is too light IMHO.
IF the trailer still wants to sway, a bigger truck will not fix the issue, as I pointed out at the beginning of this post.
A slightly under powered correct chassis truck, is better than ample or overpowered too small of a chassis truck.
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/15/23 08:34am |
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RE: Ball Height Adjustment Questions
I'm going to go with a combo. Hitch too high as noted, along with too little HW. Nose high would make the too little HW be exaggerated some.
As noted, removing bolts adjusting etc is not a hard thing to do on the road. I've done it more than once. Have some penetrating liquid and a hammer to help it go between the threads helps. As would a 3-5' pipe to go over the breaker bar.
A tape to verify you really changed heights etc.
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/14/23 09:37pm |
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RE: 2024 Chevy 3500 verses 2023 F350
Looks pretty dang even to me.
I do agree Ford did it faster. 13 secs is not the end of the world towing a larger grade like this. a minute or three is worth bragging about.
So at the end, buy what seat your butt fits in best.
Marty
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blt2ski
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07/01/23 09:56pm |
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RE: F150 5.0 V8 or V6 Twin Turbo
Moot point now, I switched gears (pardon the pun) and bought a BMW. Wasn't what I was looking for but I really liked it. Might be my favorite car to date and I've had a lot. If I need materials for projects I think I'll just get a landscape trailer to tow behind the jeep.
Thanks all.
Pictures or it didn't happen!
Marty
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blt2ski
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06/30/23 07:18pm |
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RE: Ford Gets 9.2 Billion Bailout errrr Loan
I see more positives than negatives to this loan. The chance that their is private money per say to do this is reasonably slim. Loans like this happen frequently in other countries.
Not saying one should or should not agree. Personally I feel this is a good thing.
Marty
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blt2ski
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06/25/23 10:54am |
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RE: towing advise please
You need to weigh your set up before you go spend money on a heavier duty truck.Reality, the problem may be the trailer with too little hitch weight. Too much weight from side to side. Trailer axles that are V'd vs perpindular to the middle of trailer.
You might even have a trailer where the axles are too far forward to have enough hitch weight. Even with a 25/35 series truck, your trailer will still want to fishtail sway.
Look at what is the cause of the effect before spending money.
I've towed over ratings for many decades, most of the time I go slower than I like, due to too little motor. BUT, if everything is set up correctly, I have no towing effects like sway!
Marty
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blt2ski
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06/24/23 10:35pm |
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RE: Why is the Hemi Going Away
Did MB own dodge at that time? Looks like paint job on spouses ML320 SUV.
Marty
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blt2ski
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06/18/23 09:55am |
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RE: Quick question on tow ratings
^ Yep I agree! The OP had a QUICK QUESTION to ask, and hasn't returned since.
I haven't read all the pages, but I don't believe the civil suit guy has shown up YET??
Jerry gets the last word!
Marty
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blt2ski
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06/13/23 05:48pm |
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RE: Quick question on tow ratings
BUT, BUT, BUT I can't load to that RATED number.
Acceleration and braking. When you accelerate the weight shifts to the rear axle. When you brake the weight shifts to the front axle. Loaded to GVWR, every time you stomp a pedal, you are overloading an axle.
Why not on larger commercial trucks? Because those trucks are not capable of the levels of acceleration and braking a pickup truck is.
Hit a pothole, speed bump, a dip in the road will overload ANY rigs axles etc
Only saving grace on class 8s, they typically have a 25k rating, legal to 17-20k lbs per bridge laws.
One can buy overloads per axle etc, even my argument can go out the door!
Marty
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blt2ski
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06/13/23 10:53am |
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RE: Quick question on tow ratings
Taking the idea that GVW is a performance and manufacturer's rating only.
Does that mean GVWR doesn't matter and can be ignored?
I don't think so. All the ratings have some significance and should be factored into your decisions.
I never get a good answer on this one.
How can I load my rear axle to it's RAWR of 9,750# and not add a single pound to it's front axle weight of 5,250# and be within the 14k GVWR???
I got booted off IRV.NET over disagreeing with SmokyWren a monitor on this subject.
No one wants to tackle this one??????
I think I did in many more words than needed.
SMokeywren is full of the sheet that hits the fan causing a major mess, as he knows NOTHING about the actual true weight laws and how they are enforced!
Your axle ratings per manufacture, are not legal either. YOu can in reality, put 20K on your rear axle, as you have enough tire width to do so. SWAG about 10-11K lbs on the FA. SO you could go down the road weight wise upwards of 30-31K lbs. Not that I would reccomend you do this, any more than me running down the road at 22K lbs in my 1500!
Marty
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blt2ski
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06/10/23 08:09pm |
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RE: Quick question on tow ratings
If I get pulled over at 21000 gcwr in my 1500, pulling a 55k trailer with an 80k gvw registration, from a weight standpoint only, I am legal!
Then comes "OTHER" laws and regs that will get me off the road if I'm truly unsafe etc. "THOSE" rules will hurt me way the heck more than me being over the manufactures ratings etc. I am assuming I am under the legal "engineer designed max road bed load" ratings.
Like not being able to stop the rig with in x' at 20 mph. Failed braking system. Vehicle is impounded on the side of the road, need a low boy in most cases to get said rig to shop to fix "ha ha" the brakes that do not have the ability to stop said load from the get go. This goes on driving record.
Being over a registered weight class, or over a legal axle rating, generally speaking, a non moving violation, getting the local government the tax for the increases damage you are doing to the road.
Is it smart to be over a manufactures gcwr. While not an issue legally speaking, even over a manufactures axle rating is not illegal. Other factors do come into play as I noted. THOSE factors will cause you problems.
Most RV folks stock to manufactures numbers, that can be good or bad.
If you talk about gcwr, manufactures have a minimum grade you can go up before the rig will stall out, or go below a min grade on a freeway grade. If your expecting to.pull a 30% grade, manufactures spec is a 20%. You've gon beyond performance ratings, you may stall out, blow up a trans, clutch or equal. If you expect 60 mph on a 5% freeway grade, the current min spec is is 40mph. You will not probably be going 60! That's with 60 sq ft of frontal area. If you have Cummins12v's trailer, you will be over 100 sq ft. You may not meet that 40 mph spec. Much less your spec of 60 mph!
Reality, just because your under manufactures ratings, you may not be safe, yet someone else over has a better over balanced setup, is better off.
More than one way to play this game.
I have had rigs stall out under gv/cw per manufactures. Other rigs OVER manufactures ratings, not stall out where the better rated rigs blew up, ie literally!
Marty
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blt2ski
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06/10/23 01:29pm |
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