What a sad deal. I feel for those people no matter how it happened. If they "truly" ignored any warning road signs and took their trailer where it shouldn't have gone then shame on them for that decision but really..........besides the A/C unit being torn off in the tunnel, ALL the other damage was a result of the few helpful clowns who think they know everything about getting a vehicle unstuck because they have a winch but actually know nothing. That poor trailer could have suffered far less carnage if they didn't try to pull the whole trailer sideways while the driver moved.....and then go and allow him to crank the wheel shoving the whole thing into the guardrail. :h
Similar feelings from me.
While not wishing to beat to death the reasons they were on that road I would like to address the issue of allowing momentary stress force you into making bad decisions which in this case was to go through that first tunnel rather than force compliance by following traffic to simply allow you to reverse to a location where you could safely park the rig on the shoulder where bum swing would not be an issue.
If you have one, use an on board compressor to inflate trailer tires to 10 or 15lbs above max, set up cones or a traffic director to allow you to unhook, stop traffic in both directions, position the truck at right angles to the trailer and gently re-hook to perform a very tight, slow, tire scrubbing jackknifed U-turn to then go back the way you came and park to let your blood pressure resume norms and reduce your tire pressures back to where they belong.
Those who think they've seen semi-drivers perform amazing feats unparalled by RV towers need to rethink that a bit as having performed both I can assure you, having your towed vehicle axles under the center of the length of your trailer in no way makes it a easy feat to keep your 'bum swing-out' in mind while negotiating tight areas.
Any semi driver who is honest, will readily tell you having those trailer axles at the very rear of the rig and ONLY having to consider where they're going, rather than where that, possibly up to 20', rear overhang is going, simplifies your life in no small measure.
These poor folks allowed the stress of the moment to reduce their ability to make rational decision making and then it accelerated away from them from there on.
Big sigh!!....we Vancouver Islanders just smile at the wonders of "Canada" in the winter....snow? arctic fronts? freezing temps?....now what the heck is that all about!....guess we aren't very Canadian, eh?
Haar! Back in the early sixties while stationed in Esquimalt, I had occasion to drive my 51 chevy into Victoria during what constituted a blizzard to Victorian residents and having to navigate around everything from buses to trucks all spinning their wheels was something I still remember to this very day.
Had a similar experience crossing Arizona on I-8 and later I-10 during a similar rare snowfall and got strange looks from folks as I passed them while they were gripping the wheel with clenched teeth.
One driver pulling into a fuel depot behind me actually made the comment "boy you folks from Florida sure know how to drive in snow" whereupon I looked at the plates on our rental car and noticed Florida tags. We both got a chuckle when I explained we were Snowbirds from Ontario Canada ~ "oh that explains why you're passing everything in sight"!.
bstark said: "Now there ya go! Had you started your first offering with the last line of this one, we could all have saved the time it took us to read it.
I've spent altogether about five winters in Florida out of the last thirteen since retirement."
1. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to read it. No one even asked you to read it. Sorry you wasted your valuable time. The "block member" feature may help you in the future avoid any further annoyances.
2. My 35 years of life in a Florida tourist town does give me some knowledge of the subject.
Well there you go confirming my earlier assessment of your lack of tolerance. You also ignored the bulk of my post.
So yep, I think I've got you figured out and can say you do not represent the Floridians I've met over the years.
Your state does everything it can to entice folks to visit and spend money but you reserve the right to demand absolutely no intrusion upon your lifestyle. It ain't ever gonna happen that way so you might as well get get used to it and quit your whining.
I don't like loud cel-phone conversations in restaurants, kids running amok in banks and other primarily adult limited stores, tailgaters, left lane bandits, but guess what; I suck-it-up-buttercup and soldier on.
Life is full of necessary compromise and this will be one you'll have to make or move yourself to the back of beyond in Monatana because human nature is what it is and you're inviting snowbirds into your state for a reason that far outweighs your personal comfort.
The people who read your post, and agree with it, do not need to be told in the first place. You are preaching to the choir.
Everyone else will just think you are a bit of a pompous jerk.
Good Point. Never thought of it.
Pompous? Maybe. More likely I am fed up and expressing the thoughts of many in tourist areas.
Now there ya go! Had you started your first offering with the last line of this one, we could all have saved the time it took us to read it.
I've spent altogether about five winters in Florida out of the last thirteen since retirement. The others were spent in the southwest in places like Mercedes Tx, McAllen, Yuma, Phoenix, etc.,
I can attest to the fact that folks are far friendlier to tourists of ALL types in states not tourism-centric.
I have no complaints with the way we're being treated by Floridians but that extra little smile goes a long way.
Most of us just want to enjoy our surroundings without negatively impacting upon your lifestyle in any manner. Should I want to drive only 65 on the I-4, I do not do it in the left lane and during a rush hour period. Should I ant to show up at a restaurant with a group of 10 folks, I make a reservation so we're not creating a roadblock for others trying to have an evening meal out after a hard days work. Avoiding making tee times on the weekends when you folks might enjoy a fast round after a week of commuting is also something we adhere to.
In short; wherever we have gone we try to fit in and not the other way round. The fulltime residents, along with the climate, are what gives a place it's character making it a destination of choice.
It would seem to me, however, that folks must be more tolerant of tourists and their idiosyncrasies if you're actively enticing them to come there.
It's the summer tourists that make the tourism wheels turn, not the winter ones.
That's because the big mouse lives your town.
I have to admit that I don't have a clue about what you just said!
I believe his point was that cities with a tourist attraction like Disneyland that will draw families while the kiddies are out of school will compare favourably with areas that have predominantly only the climate to draw the snowbirds.
Williston Crossings RV Resort - the only Florida Good Sam 10-10-10 park for 2012.
Hey congrats; that park has sure made a turn-around and is finally being recognized for it's potential. Previous owners, while nice folks, spent way too much money on "toys" rather than maintaining or even completing the park amenities.
Would have been nice to see the tach's of each truck during those runs. The max. rpm in the V-8's is much higher than the I-6, thus so is the max. hp, thus so is speed. I am not running anyone up a hill period. 18 wheelers with 80k running 20 mph maybe different, those trucks I will probably pass, but not with wide open throttle and second gear.
Actuaslly it doesn't quite work that linear.
Diesel burn is more a controlled burn and expansion of gases and less explosive than gasoline. Sooo the longer stroke diesel gives that fuel burn more time to extract horsepower from the burn while relatively short stroke V8's cut that off before all power BTU's can be extracted but making up for it by having more power pulses in the same time frame. Whew!
Torque being king while towing is the reason why the big honchos (classes 6-8) stuck with long stroke V8's and also why MOST large marine diesels have also stuck with the longer stroke engines.
That is not to say V8's don't have an edge during certain periods of the power cycle though and the more recent diesel designs are capitalizing on those to a degree never before seen.
The issue of auto transmission design along with heat dissipation from that auto transmission will now assume preemminence over what the engine is capable of. Making a transmission capable to use all of that power through a broader band AND getting rid of the resultant heat from that efficiency without transferring it back into coolant will be a test of engineer's 'outside the box' thinking skills.
All three of them are giving you choices that just a couple of decades ago would not have been believed possible. Whichever truck you choose, consider yourselves fortunate.
You're close....only the Norton 850 Commando and the Kawasaki Z1 903 cc four were bigger....then of course the Harleys....883 Sportster and 1200 dressers were around then.
Vincent HRD ? Series A and B Rapide, Black shadow, Series C Lightening. 998cc And uncannily fast machines with 125mph being accomplished in the 1920's
Truck viewable in "view profile" clicky at left, 17,600lbs, 200 gals diesel, Harley Ultra, two sets of golf clubs with pull carts, 4800watt mitsubishi generator, assorted air over hydraulic jacks and a whole garage full of tools.
Great to read a thread loke this one. GM is certainly embracing the Canadian cultural mosaic. He and his bride have seen more of our country than many Canadians have.
I'm going to add my endorsement for seeing both Newfoundland and parts of Quebec. Certainly St. Johns and Old Quebec City would both rate lengthly stays.
A short jaunt into Montreal Place Jacques Cartier would not go amiss either to see the artists all set up and painting in the various side streets.
I was instantly reminded of that phenomena visiting the square in the center of New Orleans La. during one summer. Almost identical experience.
Well done Grey Mountain; keep on invading and conquering ~ we're all better for it!
That's when I retired from working.
Today, if I could afford a bigger garage, and if I had plenty of money, I would buy a Triumph and a Harley (just to look at).
That's what I do. I still have my '67 Matchless G15 750cc (Norton Atlas engine) Scrambler and my '78 Yamaha SR 500.
In my mid 60's I've hung up my Bell (Snell approved) Helmet and riding gauntlets.
But I still go out to the shed and just look at those beautiful motorcycle lines on both the Matchless and the Yamaha. I top the Matchless oil up once a year, empty the oil from the cake dish under it's crankcase. The Matchless is an old English bike...so those who have old Brit bikes know leaks are part of the deal.;)
I have no intention of selling either bike. Lot's of nice memories come back just checking out the two motorcycles.
I'm gradually restoring the Matchless. All the Yamaha need is a new tachometer cable.
Almost identical history with riding for over 50 years and too many bikes to be able to remember them all. Competed in scrambles before they were called Motocross. Last bike was my "old man's machine", a Harley Ultra with all the options available including the Air Zepplin seat for my aging back.
I had an epiphany moment while returning from a concert late in the evening and watched as a set of headlights crossed the line coming at me at what would have been a combined closing speed of 120Mph on a very lonely stretch of highway. As that car went past me while I was scooting along as far into the shoulder I coud go without ditching the monster, I swear the guy looked right at me and grinned as he went by. That did it for me. Harley was sold within a week and my shop attic full of bike parts collected over decades got emptied over the next couple of months.
There be idiots out there and two wheels today leaves you no choice but to do battle with crazy people while thusly handicapped.
Something not touched upon yet is stability of SRW vs DRW's while towing.
From my experience towing larger fivers with everything from 2500's to custom built International tractors; the steering corrections required when that tall slab-sided trailer is hit with either a cross wind or the pressure wave of a passing semi are going to be more frequent with a single axle and it's two tire - four sidewalls resisting side flex deflection than will be required for the dual axle, eight sidewalls.
Pick-ups, in an effort to give you towing capacity and comfortable ride, maintain the tall profile tire to offset harsher ride characteristics from stronger/stiffer spring rates. Those taller sidewalls are less able to resist flexing from side forces induced on them by the front of a tall trailer trying to push the rear of the truck sideways when hit by a crosswind. This results in you having to make frequent steering corrections as the rear of the truck is taken off it's straight forward line of travel.
I'd opt for the reduced requirement of steering inputs, extra margin of safety given by eight of those sidewalls resisting flex or tread lift along with two addtional contact patches for braking purposes over the single rear wheel and it's questionable width convenience advantage. JMHO.
My opinion would be this:
Your priority must be to avoid the "possibility" of being rejected.
Should that happen, you are then faced with a whole new set of stressors to face when arriving at that U.S. kiosk the next time you attempt to cross as your prior refusal will factor greatly.
RV'ers, especially fulltimers, are of special consideration for border agents. You are demonstrating that you have no ties by merely being fulltimers and your ability to fudge the system is less problematic for you.
When arriving at the border the likely questions will begin with your destination and should you offer up the "we intend to tour throughout the U.S." followed with an answer of how long do you intend to stay with "oh probably four or more months". GUESS WHATS COMING NEXT?
Maintaining records to establish the "closer connection" is your goal and this should include everything from current income tax forms/receipts, IRS form 8840 (important), to ANY type of utility or maintenance receipts be they license or tag renewals, prescriptions for medications, on going payments for purely Canadian services, to your optional 'out of country' health insurance forms.
The desire to mainatain confidentiality in all things must be weighed very carefully against your desire to enter a foreign country while carrying the suspicion with you that you could be intending never to exit.
How important to your life style choice is the ability to tour the U.S.? Weigh this against the baring your soul and sharing all of your financial dealings with some faceless entity in a kiosk.
We wintered there for 6 years and loved it. Would probably still be dragging a trailer all the way from Ontario Canada back there today had we not been required to be within a direct flight home to respond to an aging MIL with frequent health problems.
We ended up in Florida that winter and property prices were so good we bought a home. The RV and custom Toter got sold as soon as we returned home to Canada the spring of '10'.
While in Yuma, we enjoyed the ease of driving around, golfing, dune cruising, mine exploring, desert hiking and Harley riding all over the place.
There's lots to do there if you simply read the trades papers for scheduled events.
The dust was of some concern due to allergies but certainly didn't make the place a deal breaker for us. We used a double cannister filter package on our RV so neither drinking nor laundry was a concern.
I read somewhere that heavy "dray wagons" in Great Britain in by-gone years would, upon reaching a junction where they had to cross paths, form a circle to keep from having to stop and start such heavy loads which taxed the horses.
When arriving at one of these common crossings you merely joined the circle as space was always kept between the teams and when you got to the road you needed to take you just peeled out of the circle, all without subjecting your poor team to having to stop or start a heavy load perhaps even on a grade.
I found driving in the UK a remarkably civilized experience with no passing lane bandits and roundabouts in the multiple format being a Sterling Moss/Jackie Stewart adventure.
Enter one roundabout and take your designated exit onto another roundabout to then exit onto yet a third one to finally arrive at the exit onto the rodawya you need.
Wonderful things whose safety and practicality are grossly misunderstood here in North America.
Canada vs U.S. culture? How about paying $11 dollars and change for a case of 24 in a Walmart or Sam's in the U.S. and you get dinged $56 up here, eh?
This thread is very educational as my wife and I look forward to visiting Canada upon our retirement next year. It's been 30 plus years since our last brief visit there and crossing back then was a breeze. The world has changed a great deal since then and we understand the reasons to be much better prepared and knowledgable with respect to laws/rules. Thanks to all for the education and we look forward to seeing Canada.
Now there's the correct atittude.
rife throughout the O/P's post is the assumption he would be simply allowed to breez through without any complications while not taking the time to educate himself about this changed world we live in now.
I wonder how he would have liked having his rig torn apart by two agents while a National Guardsman stood there facing us with his rifle at port arms between us and our rig just days after 9/11? I wonder if he forgets the reason why all of these rules and regs have come to be universally applied through database sharing.
To remind him: they came to be because they were insisted upon by the government of the U.S. after the terrible event of that day. Canada was accused of being lax in our border control. A couple of high profile political figures (McCain for one) stating (immediately proven wrong but nevertheless without any apology) that those terrorists entered via Canada.
Now here is the kicker for this fellow; had he indeed simply got waved through the Canadian entry point, who'se willing to bet his passage through the U.S. one on into Alaska or upon his return to the U.S. with his convicted friend in tow might have given him a real load of hurt to whine about.
In short he took it for granted as a U.S. citizen he could simply drive across without any research or possibility of complication with a person who had a previous conviction without the deemed rehab'd certificate, a bunch of drugs not belonging to anyone in the vehicle AND a "prohibited weapon".
ANY ONE of those would see me barred for life from ever gaining access to the U.S. EVER again unless and until I had expended a considerable amount of money to have an adjudication made on my behalf and I own property down there.
Border crossings EITHER way, along with Mexcio, are essentially a******shoot at the whim of the high school drop out's mood of the morning.
In summation: if this happenstance, that is experienced daily by Canadians crossing into the U.S., leads you to deny yourself the travelling pleasure of touring Canada it will be your loss alone.
Coincidental to this thread was a BBQ with a friend who has an appliance business and has serviced all types of washers for years.
His advice was once in a while put the washer through a wash cycle using the hot setting with no detergent as, especially for the front loaders, the manufacturer's have lightened the structure of the drum supports so they will handle the very high spin speeds. Those lightened aluminum support arms are susceptable to corrosion from any build up of soap scum. He's had to perform warranty relacement of entire drum assemblies due to the support arms corroding right through inside ONE YEAR!
Of course what precipitated this discussion was our telling him we had just purchased a pair of top of the line LG front loaders. Sheesh1
His advice when washing; if you see suds on the door glass, you're using too much detergent.
So others will know what's being discussed here; the Dexter Nev-R-Lubes use two of the the taper roller Timken sealed type of bearings opposed and preloaded with compression tension towards each other using the Castellated retaining nut to provide pre-torque.
They have worked very well in my 6 year experience with the Dexter 8K axles.
jetboater, I'd get the brakes checked as mine will not let me move at all if I grab a handful of manual trailer brake
I've never had trailer brakes lock just applying power to them. Next time you have a drum off,hit the controller and see if your brake shoes move.
I know my brakes work as I can lock and smoke all 6 tires on pavement.And I haul heavy most of the time.
I thought on electric brakes shoe movement was a result of the magnet dragging on the drum. If drums are off how would shoes move?
You're correct of course.
Electromagnetic brake 101: Magnet brakes rely upon the attraction of an electro magnet to a circular disk mounted to the inside face of the drum to move a camming arm. the camming arm in turn spreads the tops of the shoes only against the inside of the drum. No drum ~ you won't see any action at all.
wheel must rotate slightly to drag the camming arm and spread the shoes.
Now onto electric HYDRAULIC brakes 101. Most common system installed on RV trailers is the Dexter or Kodiac system that has an on board hydraulic pump that runs at variable speed dependent on inertia of controller unit in cab of truck. Manual over ride engaged and brakes are in good condition you ain't moving that trailer at all.
I routinely hooked up the umbilical before backing under pin as my trailer was heavy on the pin at over 4K and my truck was a ten speed with a grunt reverse so if I misjudged the pinbox height and proceeded to back under, I could easily push my trailer right over the commercial chocks but if brakes were engaged, I'd simply get out of cab to find my trailer hooked up, jaws closed and feet about 6" in the air.
Those brakes were easily capable of stopping my combined weight of 36K by themselves.
There was a demo Youtube link showing how a later gen I-phone could be uploaded with an app that would allow anyone to simply stand near you and download your RF card info to their Iphone and instantly email it to whoever for usage. The fact is: you could have unauthorized action on that card while you're still walking around the mall oblivious for an hour or two and it might never have been out of your pocket.
The wallets/containers work well but really; if intending to use a card for purchasing stuff like your morning coffee by simply waving it over a reader why not have a card specifically for that purpose and load the one RF card with just enough money to do you for a week of coffee buying?