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RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Why are you going to use that old deadbolt, your asking for a lockout. Buy a new one. Don Who said anything about using the old deadbolt? I like taking things apart and seeing how they work. That's why I took the old door apart, to see how Fleetwood had assembled it. Don't know if or how long you have been following, but, one of the goals of this thread is to show detailed information about how things are assembled, in case anyone else has a need for the info to use in their own rig. Maybe, maybe not. However, it has been a definite learning experience, both for me, and I am sure at least a few people following this thread. Since I don't pretend to know everything, do you have a recommendation for a good secure deadbolt?
fulltimin 10/20/19 10:16pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Son took us to the races tonight, to a track we have not been to in years. We left early to get decent seats, so I had no chance to do anything today. :( But hey, we did have a great time! :)
fulltimin 10/19/19 09:26pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Hmmmmm. Door opens up and provides its own awning. Gonna be hard to fabricate a hinge for that curved top. BTW, whatever happened to the dutch door idea? Had one of those on the house where I grew up and it was pretty neat. Nothing happened to the Dutch door. I am looking at my dimensions. The top portion of the door that I would cut off for the dutch portion of the door is about 25-26 inches high, and about the same width. Due to the curve, I have about maybe 12-14 inches for a straight hinge. With a sturdy hinge, that should be do-able. The other option, is to put a piece of glass that opens, in the upper part of the door, but the glass would be about 3 inches more narrow due to the current outer frame of the door. This will be adjustable on the fly, so to speak. Lol. Either way, I had to build a top piece to fit the door frame, whether I built it all in one piece, and cut the top off, or build the 2 sections of the door, separately. I chose to do the door all in one, ad then I can cut it later, and still have a great fit above.
fulltimin 10/19/19 09:23pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Never ocurred to me until now. How about a gull wing? Lol.
fulltimin 10/19/19 02:08pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

As you saw earlier, the door is mostly insulated, although it needs a little spray foam around the edges of the green foam board to finish sealing the inside of the door. As far as security goes, I could do the same thing Fleetwood did, and use an aluminum frame and door, which is screwed from the outside into the frame of the coach. If 2 people with with 1/4" sockets and each with a drill, or impact driver, in less than 2 minutes, can remove all the screws and the whole door just lifts off. How's that for security? Also, if you look at the lock on your door, the type of lock I showed here, it will have a letter on it. I know they go from at least A to E, but I don't know if they go further. Any dealer will have a master key that matches A thru E and will be able to open that lock with his master. More security. They do not, however, have a master key for the deadbolt. One more thing. There are hundreds of thousands of rv's on the road that have the same keyed locks on all of their outside storage compartment doors. The key will say CH751. If your key says that, you can probably open many of the cargo doors in the campground that you are staying in. There are some cargo doors that have different key combinations, but there are a bunch of them out there with that combination. Still feeling safe?
fulltimin 10/18/19 09:38pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Here is the inside of the deadbolt. Nothing special here, just a standard deadbolt. Again, it's held together by 2 screws. This shows the bolt extended. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorlockframe7.jpg This one has the bolt retracted. The arrow points to the little round (doohicky), yea, that's a term, that rotates which will extend or retract the bolt. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorlockframe8.jpg
fulltimin 10/18/19 09:27pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Here is a close up of the locking mechanism. This is the pin that slides in or out, and here's how it locks. The red arrow points to a larger diameter piece of steel, while the green arrow points to the smaller diameter piece. You can see the larger hole around the pin here. When the larger diameter drops down, you can no longer move the slide back and forth, so it's locked. Actually, it's fairly simple, in the way it works. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorlockframe6.jpg
fulltimin 10/18/19 09:17pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

This is the meat of the lock system. The red arrow points to the little button on the inside that locks the door, or unlocks the door, depending on whether it is pushed in or pulled out, with no key needed. The green arrows points to a pair of springs, (yea, this has 1 spring missing). That pushes the latch shut. The blue arrow points to the piece of steel that slides the latch either in or out, which is the black arrow. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorlockframe5.jpg
fulltimin 10/18/19 09:09pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

This is the inside of the door lock assembly. This plate is secured by 2 screws into the outer lock assembly. The handle is not removable from the inside of the coach. There are no screws around circular portion of the handle. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorlockframe3.jpg This is the back side of the plate. As you can see, there is a retaining ring on the inside, that holds the inside handle in place. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorlockframe4.jpg
fulltimin 10/18/19 08:55pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

This, is apparently, the correct way to install a standard lock system, according to Fleetwood in 1983. The black arrow points to the white foam insulation, which is sandwiched inside the door. There is a little wood surrounding the lock. The red arrow points to a 1/16" x 1/4" piece of steel, running the length of the door, on the lock side, nothing on the hinge side. The green arrow points to the inside skin, which was very thin aluminum, glued to the white insulation. There was also a piece of thin fiberglass glued on the outside, as well as a u shaped aluminum channel over all 4 edges of the door. I did not see any caulking/sealant between the aluminum and the outside fiberglass skin. They did, however, have 2 holes in the bottom piece of the door, for water to get out! Lol. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorlockframe.jpg
fulltimin 10/18/19 08:48pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

The only thing is, any additional blocking for latch support should have been added at the same time as the diagonal brace. Only other possibility is some unusual latch which would only need that perimeter support. Would not surprise me. A mortice lock would not need the additional bracing, but have never heard of a mortice lockset on a motorhome. Haven't fully settled on a lock setup yet. I did, however, take the original lock setup apart, to see what it looked like. Details below.
fulltimin 10/18/19 08:40pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Will there be blocking for the door lock to make for a stronger latch? Assuming you are talking about extra blocking like this. This is 2 pieces of plywood glued together, and then glued to the outside frame, the inner brace from upper right to lower left, and glued to the 1/4" plywood that has been glued to the outside. This section is also screwed in, instead of stapled in place. So, yea, this isn't going anywhere. Thanks for the reminder. That section is 7" wide at the bottom, and about 16" long. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorlockframe2.jpg
fulltimin 10/18/19 08:37pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Finally, I added a cross piece and a brace for the door. Was the brace necessary? Not really. Normally, this type of brace is used with a gate, to help keep the gate from sagging. Looking at the door here, the view is from the inside, and the hinges will be on the left side. On a gate, the diagonal piece would help transfer the weight of the unsupported right side, to the lower left side. Since this door will actually be skinned/glued on both sides, the brace wasn't really necessary, but I did it anyway. Why? Because I could. Lol. Yes, I used more Kreg screws. I also coated everything inside with more Por 15, so tomorrow it will be ready for gluing some insulation in there. Wahoo! http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorjoint7.jpg
fulltimin 10/17/19 09:42pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

After gluing the outside skin on the framing for the door, there was a little overhang of the plywood, as the plywood was cut slightly larger than the door framing. It ended up looking like this. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorjoint4.jpg Enter the correct router bit..... http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorjoint5.jpg The bearing rides on the door framing, and cuts the plywood overhang to the same size as the framing, and we end up with a piece that looks like this. Yay! http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorjoint6.jpg
fulltimin 10/17/19 09:40pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Bottom and side screws. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorjoint2.jpg http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorjoint3.jpg
fulltimin 10/17/19 09:39pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

I wanted to photo this last night but forgot, so here it is. This is how the bottom joint is put together on the door. There are a number of different joints that could be used, but I chose this one. One of the simplest is to use the butt joint. As such, the glue line between the 2 items would be along the blue line only. I chose to add more surface glue area, (green line), which will strengthen the joint some. We now have glue on 2 different surfaces, running in different directions. In addition to that, I used 3 Kreg screws, that were 2.5" long. They were put in at an angle, so as to not just get stuck in a glue joint where they would be more likely to split the wood/joint. Going across several layers of plywood will give the screw better holding strength. That is indicated by the red lines. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/doorjoint.jpg
fulltimin 10/17/19 09:38pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

That should allow enough room to install some hinges, and still allow the door to swing without sticking. Next was to glue the outside skin on to the frame of the door. I glued this together and then gave almost all of the inside of the skin a coat of Por 15. As you can see, I did not remove the extra, temporary brace yet. I'll pull that out tomorrow, and finish the Por. Hey, nothing like adding some extra Por to the "Por House". Lol. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/newdoor10.jpg
fulltimin 10/16/19 09:55pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Next was to add the piece at the bottom, and while I was doing that, I forgot to take pictures. Had my mind on other things while I was doing this, so I'll have to take them later, on how the bottom piece is fastened, assuming I remember. I then removed the extra plywood inside the steel door frame, and again test fit the door itself. There is roughly 1/4" all around the door, which is what I was going for, as you can see here. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/newdoor9.jpg
fulltimin 10/16/19 09:49pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

After screwing the temporary piece in place, I again test fit the frame portion, and as they say, "it fit like a glove". http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/newdoor8.jpg
fulltimin 10/16/19 09:45pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

I pulled my partial door frame out and added a temporary bracket towards the bottom. This will be removed later, but I wanted it there to hold the lower area in place until I could get the bottom piece in place. The bottom piece will be glued and screwed into place. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/newdoor7.jpg
fulltimin 10/16/19 09:44pm Class A Motorhomes
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