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RE: Traveling to the NW

US 212 from Red Lodge into Yellowstone is one federal number road that most RV owners shouldn't take. Not a bad road, but just a lot of high altitude climbing. Teton Pass from Jackson to Idaho (22/32) is another pass you should avoid. McKinzie HWy OR 242 is off limits to longer rigs because the summit area winds through a lava field with sharp turns. I haven't driven it myself because it hasn't been open when I've passed the area (late spring snow). In the Columbia Gorge, I84 is freeway, allowing the driver some chance to rubberneck. US30 lets you get closer to the forest and waterfalls, but is an old, pre-RV, route. The mountains on the Washington side aren't as high, but WA14 lets you look at the Oregon side from across the river - just be sure to do that when stopped!. You can drive on paved forest service roads from Carson to Randle, with a side trip to the east side of Mt St Helens. But you do need to be comfortable with grades and curves. Learn to use online mapping tools like Google Maps. With terrain mode and Streetview, it is possible to 'drive' most paved routes (and some gravel) in the western USA. Practice on familiar roads to get a feel for how those map images reflect the real world. We have far more information roads across the USA than we did decades ago with paper maps and AAA routing guides.
paulj 01/24/20 04:07pm Roads and Routes
RE: Absolute positively the worst road ever

OR-31 between Valley Falls and La Pine, OR. 120 miles. An absolute Washboard for a good 80-90 miles of that route..... I've driven that about a dozen years ago and don't recall it being bad. OK,it was in cute-ute not a RV. And come to think of it, I didn't drive the whole way. We spent the night at Summer Lake Hot Springs - nice rustic camping and soaking. And then back tracked to Paisley for breakfast, and then drove up into the mountains to the east. And didn't get back to 31 until Silver Lake. The forest service roads in the area were normal gravel. Even drove most of the way up to Hagar Mtn Lookout. After Silver Lake I detoured to Fort Rock. On a gravel road near Hole in the Ground I got a flat from a broken piece of chain saw file (talk about a bumpy ride!). I was able to plug it, and drove on to La Pine. One of the worse pieces of washboard that I recall was the Sun Pass road (623) between OR62 and US97, just east of Crater Lake. On the paper map it looked like a nice straight shortcut. It was a wide and straight, without much of a grade, but gravel that hadn't seen a grader in a long while. It was the kind of washboard that you either go slow, or fast, skimming the bumps, while still trying to maintain control. That too was in a cute-ute, a first gen RAV4. Gravel with varying degrees of washboard is the norm in eastern Oregon - both in the mountains and the high desert. On the subject of the Oregon outback, just last summer a back country bikepacker came upon a severely dehydrated man on a dirt track between OR140 and Hart Mtn Refuge. He had a Spot emergency beacon, and was able to signal for help. And in the mean time he provided a bit of water and shelter. Turns out the man had gotten his pickup stuck in one of the ruts/gullies near there, and tried to walk out. He had two small dogs as well. All three survived, largely thanks to the fortuitous encounter with a long distance bike rider.
paulj 01/24/20 03:54pm Roads and Routes
RE: Absolute positively the worst road ever

Google Maps does suggest 104 if the destination point is far enough to the east. It is a bit shorter than the 84/40 route. Time is also less, but that may be off if the estimated speed on 104 is too high. I don't doubt that the escarpment drop would be uncomfortable for drivers in a big rig, especially if they aren't prepared for it. There's plenty of room to turn around at the Trujillo turn off, or the ranch entrance just beyond that. It's once you start down the 3 mile grade that you are committed. On streetmaps I see a familiar truck on grade sign, and watch from falling rocks, but no major grade warnings - you know the routine - check your brakes, use run out lanes, etc. OR 140 just west of the Nevada border has a larger Doherty Slide escarpment. That's in the middle of 200 mile stretch between towns. Moki Dugway on US261 is another RVers' boogieman. GM Streetview drove it in winter, with snow on the ground. That has true switch backs. On the other hand I've seen puzzled discussions about a Mountain Directory warning on US191 north of Blanding UT. New Mexico Highway 104: 110 Lovely, Lonely Miles Sabinoso Wilderness, just NE of Trujillo A blue highways photo essay Loneliest road in NM "NM 104, though often disregarded, is a favorite route for knowing motorcyclists and geology junkies." Video down Corazon Hill
paulj 01/24/20 01:08am Roads and Routes
RE: Absolute positively the worst road ever

My only dedicated GPS is an old TomTom. That asked me if an potential route included non-pavement. These day's I'm using Google's routing on my phone. That seems to handle traffic circles just fine - even warning about upcoming ones. Washington has quite a few on its state highways - WSDOT likes to use them on intersections were there's enough space, and traffic doesn't call for a more expensive stop light or full interchange. WSDOT ones have overrun aprons that are meant to accommodate large rigs, including long trucks. What did we do in the old days of paper maps, where the only hint that a road might be difficult (in a big rig) was the 'scenic route' coding? And National Forest color coding?
paulj 01/23/20 04:05pm Roads and Routes
RE: Absolute positively the worst road ever

What is the worst road you've ever traveled and why? Two lane, no where to turn around, mountain road with switchbacks (fun in a 40 footer towing) no guard rail, 8,9, and 10% grades. WHITE KNUCKLE all the way and all day with 10 and 15 mph curves. . NM 104 on Google Maps doesn't look all that bad, not with Terrain mode or Streetview. Yes, 2 lane, but mostly flat and straight. There is one 3 mile stretch of 6% grade down an escarpment, alot of 25 mph curves, but no switchbacks. And plenty of guard rails.
paulj 01/23/20 01:37pm Roads and Routes
RE: Yellowstone - west or northwest enterance?

On Google Maps, terrain mode, I see that Livingston is about 4500 ft. Gardner 5400, Mammoth Hot Springs 6400 (and climbing). The road south climbs to 7400 and stays around that. Madison CG is 7000. West Yellowstone 6800. 191 starts around 4800, and climbs to a high point of 7200 (a broad pass). Bozeman Pass between Livingston and Bozeman is about 5800. US287 is an alternative route from I90 to W Yellowstone. It runs in a broader valley than 191. Major stretches of 191 run along a mountain river, so are curvier.
paulj 01/14/20 09:41pm Roads and Routes
RE: Yellowstone - west or northwest enterance?

I think the main grade of 89 occurs inside the park, past Mammoth Hot Springs. Grades to West Yellowstone, and from there to Madison are gentle.
paulj 01/13/20 03:34pm Roads and Routes
RE: Kings Canyon to Yosemite to Carson City

If coming up 120 from 49 (or points west),don't let the gps send you up Old Priest Grade. Stay on the longer New grade, hwy 120 itself.
paulj 01/11/20 08:27pm Roads and Routes
RE: Kings Canyon to Yosemite to Carson City

49 crosses the foothills, hence the curves and hills even though it doesn't cross a major pass. So using a flat highway in the valley might be worth your while. Even if your paper map doesn't show the details, there are online maps (e.g. google) that show terrain - the hills and valleys, even elevations. And zoomed enough show all the curves, and streetviews.
paulj 01/11/20 11:02am Roads and Routes
RE: Well didn't know it was Tumbleweed Season

That night, New Years eve, the winds were SSW 20+ gusting to 40+. This was the first of week long set of windy rain storms passing through the PNW. Major traffic accidents due to winter wind and dust storms are regular occurrences in central Washington.
paulj 01/02/20 12:34pm Roads and Routes
RE: Ontario to Whitehorse, route advice request.

I should add that most of the discussion on Canada/Alaska board has to do with travel to Alaska, the Canadian Rockies or more scenic parts of Canada. I don't recall much discussion of the northern parts of the prairie provinces. If you've already crossed the area on 1 and 16, you may know as much as most other posters. Compared to roads closer to Whitehorse, a lot of the traffic will be local, oil and mineral businesses and first nation reserves. Judging from the Streetview density, you won't have problems bypassing Edmonton, in the Athabasca, Slave Lake and Piece River areas. https://roadreports.ama.ab.ca/
paulj 12/30/19 02:51pm Roads and Routes
RE: Ontario to Whitehorse, route advice request.

I think you'd get more responses on the Canada/Alaska section. Sounds like you are trying to skirt the edge of the farmed prairie. When I've browsed that area on google maps and streetview, the roads look flat and straight. Towns smaller and fewer than further south, but services should be fine. No hills until you read the foothills of the Rockies.
paulj 12/30/19 11:42am Roads and Routes
RE: What happened to STREET VIEW in Google Maps?

Sounds like there's been a change in your default map settings. Dragging the figure is the method that I've always used.
paulj 12/14/19 03:12pm Roads and Routes
RE: What happened to STREET VIEW in Google Maps?

There are some remote locations where they just don't have Street View. It's annoying because you get pretty used to using Street View. There should be some hidden spots on this earth! Actually I'm more surprised about the remote spots that the Google car has visited. If the road is RV accessible it probably has a streetview. Or in some cases individuals on bike, foot or ski.
paulj 12/13/19 05:12pm Roads and Routes
RE: What happened to STREET VIEW in Google Maps?

I just tried it and they changed how yo get to street view. I use to be able to click on a location and scroll in and it would switch to street view. Now I have to click on the little man to get the street view to come up. I liked the old method better. The little man has been around for ever. The zoom method still works - if I am in 3d Sat view. Once I'm in streetview, I often use the thumbnail map to select neighboring spots to view. On the setup memu, there are selections for 'traffic', 'bicycle' and 'steetview'. Select the last, and all roads with a view are highlighted. Just click on one. Or hover to see a thumbnail view. That highlighting is the same I get by grabbing the man over the map.
paulj 12/13/19 05:02pm Roads and Routes
RE: Route Lethbridge AB to Portland suggestions

You are right, US93 is the Lost Trail. 97 is further west. But BC3 west of Creston can feel like a roller coaster. US97 also has a couple of passes. I like crossing southern BC, but it is longer, and hillier than crossing Washington on the I90/US395 diagonal.
paulj 12/08/19 11:31am Roads and Routes
RE: Route Lethbridge AB to Portland suggestions

97 south to I84 crosses Lost Trail Pass on the MT/ID border
paulj 12/07/19 10:52pm Roads and Routes
RE: Route Lethbridge AB to Portland suggestions

One option is to take AB/BC 3 across Crowsnest Pass (one of the lowest in the Rockies), and then BC/US 95 into Idaho. Then I90 to US395 to I84. That stays in major river valleys, with low crossings. That's the shortest/fastest route on Google Maps
paulj 12/07/19 02:26pm Roads and Routes
RE: Major storm predicted for OR/CA border area

Yes, the road cam at the Oregeon Siskiyous chainup area is a truck parking lot. In Washington, a lot of the lower eastern passes are snowy, and US97/Blewett Summit is closed with stuck trucks and snow clearing operations. For the same period, Minnesota got up to 10 inches, with some 600 crashes or spinouts. Reminds me of one post-Thanksgiving years ago, when I skated across Wisconsin, when returning to Chicago from Mpls. The car was a simple SUV, Trooper II, with lots of tread on the tires. But for the icy conditions it was more a matter of driving slow and steady with a gentle touch on the gas (and even more so on the brakes).
paulj 11/27/19 10:26am Roads and Routes
RE: Major storm predicted for OR/CA border area

https://www.khq.com/news/all-lanes-of-i--reopen-following-crashes-involving-/article_e58af494-109b-11ea-bb0b-4fb491ab8579.html Multiple spin outs and crashes on I90 just west of Spokane this afternoon (50-100 vehicles). It's blamed on sudden snow (not deep) producing slick conditions. More than half an inch of snow fell within 25 minutes, causing very slick conditions Tuesday in parts of Spokane, the National Weather Service office in Spokane said. More on that band of snow that caused the Spokane bedlam. https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-spokane-megacar-crash-up-snow-and.html He warns of a potentially similar situation Sunday in the Portland area.
paulj 11/26/19 09:20pm Roads and Routes
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