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RE: Ghost Towns

ReneeG Lemhi pass from the west IS steeper than from the east. Normally it is doable in a automobile with caution and common sense. Remember this is a combination of private farm land/open range/NFS land and both sides of the pass are used daily by farm trucks during the summer (never seen a 18 wheeler though) However, IF there is greater than normal snow on the top, warmer than normal spring etc it could be rough going early in the spring due to the run off. But with the farm traffic I am sure that it is bladed quite often. We have have never had any trouble. About 20 miles south of Salmon turn east off of ID #28 at Tendoy. About 10-12 miles to the top, the last couple of miles are the steepest, but with your dually you won’t have any trouble. At the top there is a picnic area/the “farthest most spring”/ continental divide information and numerous L&C information signs. From the top go east down to the village of Grant and go north about 10 miles to Bannack or from Grant continue east to Clark Canyon Reservoir, cross the dam to join I-15. Numerous L&C information Kiosks and information about a L&C campsite the is under the water of the Reservoir. Or from the top of Lemhi Pass go North paralleling the Continental Divide for a few miles then it drops off the ridge and turns west and joins ID #28 a few miles north of Tendoy. Goggle: Lemhi Pass and all the links. Look up Lemhi pass on Goggle Maps. Hopes this helps you out! Richard
richardcoxid 11/10/19 02:21pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Ghost Towns

LEMHI PASS
richardcoxid 11/10/19 07:47am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Ghost Towns

Correction on my last post. (Thank you auto correct) it should read: I have been to the top of LEMHI pass many times.
richardcoxid 11/10/19 07:46am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Ghost Towns

X2 on Bannack, it is in the MT state park system about 50 buildings are open for tourists. In the 1880s a charismatic young man appeared in town and ran for the office of Sheriff, he won the election. Unknown to the residents of Bannack he was a convicted felon from CA that had been pardoned by the Governor of CA (murdered the husband of his girlfriend) Now it gets interesting. The sheriff rounded up a group of “bad” guys. Then mysteriously when a miner was going to the town of Virginia City, MT or was just leaving Bannack area he would mysteriously disappear along with his GoldDust! When the Sheriff was the leader of the “Road Agents” who do you go to for help? This was the start of the MT vigilantes. This brings up the numbers 3-7-77! We have been told that there is nothing in the Official history of MT or the Bannack Masonic Lodge history about the origin of those numbers. Evidently when the vigilantes discovered who a “bad” guy was they would paint those numbers on his cabin or tent. That was code: 3 sevens= 21 plus 3= 24, he had 24 hours to get out of town of or he would be found hanging on the short end of a rope! When the vigilantes captured Henry Plummer (notice the spelling) they held him prisoner in the Jail that he had had built and hung him on his gallows. There are many other theories as to what the numbers mean. Even today on the logos of the MT highway patrol and the MT Air National Guard the numbers 3-7-77 appear. Google- Bannack State Park, MT MT Vigilantes Henry Plummer, sheriff of Bannack, MT Origin of the numbers 3-7-77 Bannack Historic Masonic Lodge 3-7-77 While you are at it google- Virginia City, MT and Nevada City, MT (both are living ghost towns, The Hotel in Nevada City has a interesting two story outhouse! We would go up to Bannack a couple of times every summer, Even tho it is only 23 mi from Dillon on a good paved road it is our style of camping, No off air TV, No off air radio, No hard wired phone service and NO Cell Phone service! (the state park rangers have a radio phone to Dillon for emergencies) The CG is unimproved (a single water spigot and pit toilets) on the banks of Grasshopper Creek. (Fishing) If it isn’t a moon lit nite it is DARK and a zillion stars in the sky! Someplace I have a photo of Alice napping on a recliner and a Deer grazing not 10 feet from her! If you go South on the dirt road from Bannack about 10 mi you will come to the little village of Grant turning right (west) at Grant will take you to Lehmi Pass only 10 miles or so. (Part of it is paved) On I-90 between exit 267 and 278 is the town of Three Forks. A few miles out of town is the Missouri Headwaters State Park. The Jefferson River flows north and joins the Madison River also flowing north from YSNP, then a couple hundred feet later the Gallatin River also flowing north from YSNP joins in to form the Headwaters of the Missouri River. Just look at any map and you can see it so it must be true! Now the plot thickens, One of the responsibilities that President Jefferson charged Lewis and Clark with on their journey west was to map and determine the headwaters of the Missouri River. About 10 miles south of the town of Dillon, MT on I-15 is Clark Canyon reservoir, straight west of the reservoir is Lehmi Pass on the continental divide separating ID and MT. (Good paved road except the last few miles are gravel) At the top of the pass there is a spring, on a large rock there is a US Dept of the Interior Plaque that says in part “most distant fountain spring” BUT now the MT F&G and others say that it is actually Browers Spring in the Centennial MT’s south and east of Clark Canyon Res. (East of Monida on I-15) Who is correct? I have been to the top of Lehman pass many times.
richardcoxid 11/09/19 10:22pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Dexter 7K axle seals

Use American made seals! Also purchase double lip seals with a garter spring! The store should have a cross reference book for the seal #s. Clean the area on your spindles where the seal rotates. Lubricate the seal lips when installing. These are MUCH better seals!
richardcoxid 11/05/19 07:27am Travel Trailers
RE: how do you keep sewer tank clear

Here is my system for lubricating both sides of the blades and the groove of both of my cable operated drain valves including the toilet flush blade/ball valve. Been doing this for 19 years, still have the original drain valves and seals! I do this at the beginning of each season and occasionally in mid season. First drain and flush both tanks to flush out all solid matter. Close both dump valves. I have a 3 inch termination cap that has a garden hose bib, attach a small plastic garden hose ball valve to the hose bib to act as a control valve, install the cap on the end of the RV drain pipe with the hose bib/control valve at the bottom position. Shut the control valve. Attach a short piece of drain hose/bucket if desired. I just let it drain onto the gravel next to my RV concrete parking slab. Put about 5-8 gal of water in each tank (just make sure that you have more than 3 inches in the black tank and more than 1 1/2 inches in the grey tank). Put a pint of mineral oil in each tank. (about $2.50/pt at Wally World pharmacy) When you put it down the toilet with the water turned off, pour a little amount onto the blade (or ball) open and close it slowly, repeat 2-3 times to completely coat and lubricate the flush valve, when you put it down a sink/shower drain that has a "P" trap use a lot of water to flush it out of the "P trap. (Remember that he oil will be floating on the top of the water) There are 231 cubic inches/ gal of water. If you know the width and length (even the approximate measurements) you can calculate about how many gals to put 1 1/2" and 3" in your tanks. Open the black tank drain valve about 1/2 way. This will fill the cavity between the drain valve and the termination cap. Open the control valve a small amount, you want a very slow stream of water SMALLER than pencil diameter. Remember that the oil will float on the top of the water. As the water SLOWLY drains out occasionally cycle the drain valve open/close, leave the drain valve about 1/2 open until the next time to cycle it. As the oil/water interface lowers this will ensure that both sides of the blade and the groove is coated with oil. I have always been been able to feel the ease of blade movement when the oil is coating the blade. Repeat doing the gray tank drain valve. To lubricate the cable I just pull out the handle opening the valve, apply a few drops of light weight oil to the exposed shaft, operate the valve a few times, repeat a couple of times every year, after a few cycles capillary action will siphon the oil full length of the cable.
richardcoxid 10/22/19 11:47am General RVing Issues
RE: Trying to find this floorplan

A friend of mine that has been in the RV repair business for over 30 years told me- Now these are not hard and fast figures, there are to many variables (WB of tow vehicle, distance from tear axle of the TV to the hitch ball, distance from the TT hitch to the TT axles, location of the tanks etc) to use the rule of 1/3rds, say that you have a LOADED tongue weight of 900# when the WD hitch is adjusted it will transfer ABOUT 300# to the TV front axle, ABOUT 300# to the TV rear axle and ABOUT 300# to the TT axles.
richardcoxid 10/14/19 11:44am Travel Trailers
RE: Trying to find this floorplan

If you/wife are tall be aware that the “Queen Bed” is a short Queen it is only 75” deep!
richardcoxid 10/06/19 12:55pm Travel Trailers
RE: Mountain Towing

Getting back to the definition of “mountain driving” in many areas of the east and the Ozarks of the Midwest, yes, some of the grades are 8%- 10% but they are short enough that you can almost coast up to the top, out west for example: Hwy 22 between Jackson, WY and Victor, ID is 10% for about 5mi each side with a couple of 25mph curves thrown in just for the pucker factor. In WY Hwy 14 and 14A between Lovell and Burgess JunctionI forgot the numbers but they both climb at 8%-10% for miles and miles with some hairpin curves, Hwy 16 a little south is a little better but not much. Between Laughlin and Las Vegas or between Laughlin and Kingman, AZ, I-80 between Cheyenne, WY and Laramie, I could go on and on! But there is no need of more examples. There are a couple old RV sayings that nobody talks about anymore: Have a small engine, go slow and get P*SS poor mileage, get a big engine go fast and get P*SS poor mileage! There are many variables but often a small engine running at 4,000rpm at WOT (wide open throttle) won’t get any better fuel mileage than a big engine working less hard at 1/2 throttle. The other saying is: Almost nobody complains about too much of a truck but, a lot of people complain about to little of a truck!
richardcoxid 09/26/19 05:15pm Towing
RE: Front Trailer Hitch to move camper

Never used a front hitch for a TT however, I mounted a front hitch on my truck to facilitate launching/ retrieving 3 different boats. Worked like a charm! Don’t know why it wouldn’t work just as GOOD for moving your TT.
richardcoxid 09/04/19 04:45pm Travel Trailers
RE: Camco EAZ-LIFT R6 TT Hitch

Thanks to ALL who have responded to my original post! I guess that I should have included more information in my question. Sometime back in the late 80’s or early 90’s We purchased a 26’(?) Road Ranger TT from a local dealer (no longer in business) included in that package was a WD hitch with a Sway Control feature (brand unknown) What I remember is that it was a round spring bar that attached from the bottom of the hitch. At the flat end of the spring bar was a flat topped pyramid of a “sticky soft white metal” that mated with an inverted flat topped pyramid which “locked” the TT/TV in the anti sway position. When you turned the TV/RV direction, the lateral movement of the spring bars caused the slope of the pyramids to “unlock” allowing non-resistance to turning the unit. Guess that I am somewhat biased in my thoughts, even though it was primitive compared to what is available today, it worked, “locking” for towing and “un-locking” when turning. The CAMCO R6 would be the modern version of what I remember. The Reese Straight Line Dual Cam hitch is another one that locks/un-locks. However, it is some what more expensive (not really an issue), more complex, slightly heavier, difficult on the initial set up and adjustment, though after initial set up, hooking up really isn’t that difficult.
richardcoxid 08/20/19 04:57pm Travel Trailers
Camco EAZ-LIFT R6 TT Hitch

Hi there Guy and Gal RVers After 20 years owning/using a 32’ 5W we are in the process of down sizing to a 28’8” OAL TT (24’ box length) Specificity an Outdoors RV, Timber Ridge 24RKS. Does anybody here have any first hand experience/knowledge with SPECIFICALLY the- CAMCO EAZ-LIFT Re Curve R6 hitch with 1000/1200# spring bars? I am not a fan of the TT Sway Control that you have to manually re-adjust when backing in to a camping site. The EAZ-LIFT automatically “locks” for straight towing and then automatically “disengages” when turning. Thank you very much for your time! Richard Cox
richardcoxid 08/19/19 02:12pm Travel Trailers
RE: Couple new to RV travel Trailer's looking for advice

Check out the Outdoors RV, Mountain Class, Timber Ridge models. X2 on the RV size Queen 74” length vs the full size Queen of 80” length
richardcoxid 08/16/19 08:24pm Travel Trailers
RE: yellow stone np

Some helpful information about YSNP (some general items apply to GTNP also) YNP is BIG!, about 45 miles E/W and about 65 miles N/S (2.2 mil. Acres total). The “figure 8 grand loop” road inside the park is about 140 miles around. The lower loop is 96 miles and the upper loop is 70 miles around and yes, it is bigger than the states of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. Whatever time that you think you will need to see YNP you better double it, or to say it another way is that you will see one half as much as you planned on in the allotted time. The Bison think that they own the road (they do!) and will slow down the traffic to walking speed or stop all traffic for 1/4 mile or more blocking both directions of travel, the thermal attractions also tie up traffic and with a 5 month long summer tourist season that coincides with a 5 month long road construction season and a 45 MPH radar controlled speed limit it will take about a full day to see each loop and then you will only see the main attractions. In addition to the occasional construction delays they will also sometimes close whole sections of road (for uninterrupted night construction) between 10 PM and 8 AM in the morning, if you are running late and get caught at night in the wrong area it CAN be a LONG way around to your CG! (The entrance stations will have current construction information or go on line to check it out) Then there is the elevation- YNP ranges from a low at Mammoth- 6239 ft to 7784 ft at Fishing Bridge or higher if you go hiking and there are passes on the grand loop road that are close to 8000 ft or so! Drink plenty of liquids and pace yourself when walking. I recommend that you get up EARLY, leave the CG and be back by 4 or 6 PM have dinner and be sitting in your recliner drinking a cool one when your neighbor drags himself back to the CG at 8-10 PM. Remember that from mid May to mid July in YNP the sun doesn't set until about 9:00- 9:15 PM then there is a long and bright twilight. Cell Phone Service- Only at the major visitor centers, otherwise non-existent! Clothing- Especially in the early or late season it is not unusual to have a 30 or even the occasional 40 degree temperature change throughout the day. Dress with easily shed layers of clothing. Also dress in bright easily seen clothing. I am sure that we all have been to a sporting event, parade or Disney World etc. and we blink our eyes and our partner/child has disappeared. My DIL was born and raised in HI, you guessed it, every Xmas, b-day or Father's Day I receive a Hawaiian shirt. One of them is shiny black with 4-5 inch dia. bright flowers. Not many of them in Wyoming and in YSNP, that is what I wear. If your partner has on a Violet blouse and a Orange scarf with a Pink hat I guarantee that she will be the only one within the boundaries of either NP. It can save you a few anxious moments. Water- Now I will have to contradict myself, at the altitude of YNP yes, drink lots of water! HOWEVER, be aware that the flush toilet restrooms are in the major tourist areas- Mammoth, Canyon, Fishing Bridge, Lake Hotel, Bridge Bay, Grant Village, Old Faithful, Madison Junction etc. The geyser basins and other thermal attractions areas only have pit toilets. I have seen the pit toilet line at the lower Geyser Basin (2 R/Rs) 25 or more feet long (bless the tour buses) So be smart about drinking your water and use the major tourist area R/Rs before leaving the area! I.e. “Never pass up a flush toilet!” Sun- At YSNP altitude the Sun is intense (uv) have and apply sunscreen, wear that old floppy wide brim sun hat, wear Sunglasses! If your luck is like mine Old Faithful will have just erupted when you get there and you will have up to a hour and 10 to 15 minutes wait for the next one. Tour the O/F Geyser basin while waiting. O/F INN is a must see, reportedly the largest LOG building in the U.S. (Meals in the O/F Inn dinning room are “A OK” also. We have lived about 110 miles from West Yellowstone, MT since 1964, go to YSNP 3-4 times a summer (normally before Memorial Day and after Labor Day) and haven't seen it all yet! So don’t be discouraged that you didn’t have the time to see all of it. Just plan on coming back another time! I honestly don’t mean to scare or discourage you but to give you a heads up as to what to expect! After all there was 4.1 million visitors in 2015! As far as I know we didn’t lose one of them. Except those who by their own stupidity step off the board walks into BOILING HOT water and ignoring the warnings about the WILD ANIMALS! That is called purifying the gene pool! Note I have seen on this blog and others about folks “day tripping” from YSNP to GTNP, it is done all the time (myself included) however remember this is BIG country and with the speed limits, animals and thermal attractions you will be doing a LOT of slow driving. From Grant Village Visitor Center (extreme S/E corner of the lower loop road) to Jackson, WY is about 80 miles with Coulter Bay being about 1/2 way then from Grant Village you have to add the distance to your CG it will be a Long days trip! A point of Coulter Bay (GTNP) clarification- there are two (2) CG’s at Coulter Bay, One the “Coulter Bay RV Park” a full service “RV Park” with FHU’S that takes reservations. The other is the “Coulter Bay Campground “ (FS) has no hookups and doesn’t take reservations. Both have about 300 sites and are basically across the road from each other. The Gros Ventre FS CG in GTNP (about 5 miles north of Jackson and about 4 miles east toward the town of Kelly, right side of the road) is about 300 sites (including about 30 sites that are electric only) has no hookups and doesn’t take reservations. When in the Jackson area I highly recommend seeing the Bar J Chuckwagon dinner show! If you go, MAKE RESERVATIONS and BE THERE EARLY TO PICK UP YOUR MEAL TICKETS/ TABLE SEATING ASSIGNMENTS! They seat you by when you show up to get your tickets NOT by your reservation number. Tim, their fiddle player has won the "Idaho state old time fiddle contest 7 times and the US open fiddle championship twice". If you decide to go you will sit at picnic type of bench seats/table, they get pretty hard, I recommend that you take along a blanket/pads to sit on. We day trip it there 2-4 times every summer just to see them! Disclaimer- We have no financial or other interest in the Bar J only that it will be the best $$ value for your money on your trip! Check out their website. http://www.barjchuckwagon.com Also in Jackson check out the “COWBOY” bar, the bar stools are saddles and the # of Silver Dollars in the bar. The Wort Hotel Bar (just around the corner from the Cowboy Bar) also has Silver Dollars imbedded in the Bar
richardcoxid 07/18/19 09:46pm Roads and Routes
RE: Advice for first time RV rental and experience

You know the more that I think about your planed trip that with all the “NEW/DIFFERENT/CUSTOMS/LAWS” etc and the DISTANCES between MAJOR attractions that for the first time you should limit your trip to only two major destinations and then use two Airline arrival/departure locations. Then rent a Air B@B, bed and Breakfast close to your major destinations. Example- Fly into LAX or Salt Lake City, UT rent a car there and drive to West Yellowstone, MT (6-7 hr including lunch from SLC, add 9-10 hr from LAX) stay in a Air B&B, stay there 3-4 days, then drive to Jackson, WY to a Air B&B, stay there 3-4 days then drive to Grand Canyon, AZ to a Air B&B ( in Williams, AZ) for 2-3 days the return the car to Phoenix, AZ and fly out of there to return to Italy. That way with everything NEW in the US you would not have to worry about a RV. Remember that between getting up in the AM, packing, feeding baby, 6-8 hours driving, checking in, eating, un-packing will wind up taking a FULL day. Now about a RV- They are just like a Hospital, absolutely no privacy and ALL modesty is out the window, especially for younger couples that want THEIR private personal time! Then you know about infants they require their “own” private personal time. Then there is the going to a un- familiar grocery store, shopping for un- familiar items going back to the RV and figuring out WHERE/HOW to store everything. How to dump the waste Tanks, fill with water, how do I level/stabilize it, are you sure that I can BACK this thing into THAT space! (this is after a 6 hour driving time turned into a 10 hour day after a flat tire) Also in Y’Stone/Tetons when going from one thermal attraction to another PARKING the RV is another problem.
richardcoxid 07/13/19 01:23pm Beginning RVing
RE: Michigan to Yellowstone and back

Some helpful information about YSNP (some general items apply to GTNP also) YNP is BIG!, about 45 miles E/W and about 65 miles N/S (2.2 mil. Acres total). The “figure 8 grand loop” road inside the park is about 140 miles around. The lower loop is 96 miles and the upper loop is 70 miles around and yes, it is bigger than the states of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. Whatever time that you think you will need to see YNP you better double it, or to say it another way is that you will see one half as much as you planned on in the allotted time. The Bison think that they own the road (they do!) and will slow down the traffic to walking speed or stop all traffic for 1/4 mile or more blocking both directions of travel, the thermal attractions also tie up traffic and with a 5 month long summer tourist season that coincides with a 5 month long road construction season and a 45 MPH radar controlled speed limit it will take about a full day to see each loop and then you will only see the main attractions. In addition to the occasional construction delays they will also sometimes close whole sections of road (for uninterrupted night construction) between 10 PM and 8 AM in the morning, if you are running late and get caught at night in the wrong area it CAN be a LONG way around to your CG! (The entrance stations will have current construction information or go on line to check it out) Then there is the elevation- YNP ranges from a low at Mammoth- 6239 ft to 7784 ft at Fishing Bridge or higher if you go hiking and there are passes on the grand loop road that are close to 8000 ft or so! Drink plenty of liquids and pace yourself when walking. I recommend that you get up EARLY, leave the CG and be back by 4 or 6 PM have dinner and be sitting in your recliner drinking a cool one when your neighbor drags himself back to the CG at 8-10 PM. Remember that from mid May to mid July in YNP the sun doesn't set until about 9:00- 9:15 PM then there is a long and bright twilight. Cell Phone Service- Only at the major visitor centers, otherwise non-existent! Clothing- Especially in the early or late season it is not unusual to have a 30 or even the occasional 40 degree temperature change throughout the day. Dress with easily shed layers of clothing. Also dress in bright easily seen clothing. I am sure that we all have been to a sporting event, parade or Disney World etc. and we blink our eyes and our partner/child has disappeared. My DIL was born and raised in HI, you guessed it, every Xmas, b-day or Father's Day I receive a Hawaiian shirt. One of them is shiny black with 4-5 inch dia. bright flowers. Not many of them in Wyoming and in YSNP, that is what I wear. If your partner has on a Violet blouse and a Orange scarf with a Pink hat I guarantee that she will be the only one within the boundaries of either NP. It can save you a few anxious moments. Water- Now I will have to contradict myself, at the altitude of YNP yes, drink lots of water! HOWEVER, be aware that the flush toilet restrooms are in the major tourist areas- Mammoth, Canyon, Fishing Bridge, Lake Hotel, Bridge Bay, Grant Village, Old Faithful, Madison Junction etc. The geyser basins and other thermal attractions areas only have pit toilets. I have seen the pit toilet line at the lower Geyser Basin (2 R/Rs) 25 or more feet long (bless the tour buses) So be smart about drinking your water and use the major tourist area R/Rs before leaving the area! I.e. “Never pass up a flush toilet!” Sun- At YSNP altitude the Sun is intense (uv) have and apply sunscreen, wear that old floppy wide brim sun hat, wear Sunglasses! If your luck is like mine Old Faithful will have just erupted when you get there and you will have up to a hour and 10 to 15 minutes wait for the next one. Tour the O/F Geyser basin while waiting. O/F INN is a must see, reportedly the largest LOG building in the U.S. (Meals in the O/F Inn dinning room are “A OK” also. We have lived about 110 miles from West Yellowstone, MT since 1964, go to YSNP 3-4 times a summer (normally before Memorial Day and after Labor Day) and haven't seen it all yet! So don’t be discouraged that you didn’t have the time to see all of it. Just plan on coming back another time! I honestly don’t mean to scare or discourage you but to give you a heads up as to what to expect! After all there was 4.1 million visitors in 2015! As far as I know we didn’t lose one of them. Except those who by their own stupidity step off the board walks into BOILING HOT water and ignoring the warnings about the WILD ANIMALS! That is called purifying the gene pool! Note I have seen on this blog and others about folks “day tripping” from YSNP to GTNP, it is done all the time (myself included) however remember this is BIG country and with the speed limits, animals and thermal attractions you will be doing a LOT of slow driving. From Grant Village Visitor Center (extreme S/E corner of the lower loop road) to Jackson, WY is about 80 miles with Coulter Bay being about 1/2 way then from Grant Village you have to add the distance to your CG it will be a Long days trip! A point of Coulter Bay (GTNP) clarification- there are two (2) CG’s at Coulter Bay, One the “Coulter Bay RV Park” a full service “RV Park” with FHU’S that takes reservations. The other is the “Coulter Bay Campground “ (FS) has no hookups and doesn’t take reservations. Both have about 300 sites and are basically across the road from each other. The Gros Ventre FS CG in GTNP (about 5 miles north of Jackson and about 4 miles east toward the town of Kelly, right side of the road) is about 300 sites (including about 30 sites that are electric only) has no hookups and doesn’t take reservations. When in the Jackson area I highly recommend seeing the Bar J Chuckwagon dinner show! If you go, MAKE RESERVATIONS and BE THERE EARLY TO PICK UP YOUR MEAL TICKETS/ TABLE SEATING ASSIGNMENTS! They seat you by when you show up to get your tickets NOT by your reservation number. Tim, their fiddle player has won the "Idaho state old time fiddle contest 7 times and the US open fiddle championship twice". If you decide to go you will sit at picnic type of bench seats/table, they get pretty hard, I recommend that you take along a blanket/pads to sit on. We day trip it there 2-4 times every summer just to see them! Disclaimer- We have no financial or other interest in the Bar J only that it will be the best $$ value for your money on your trip! Check out their website. http://www.barjchuckwagon.com Also in Jackson check out the “COWBOY” bar, the bar stools are saddles and the # of Silver Dollars in the bar. The Wort Hotel Bar (just around the corner from the Cowboy Bar) also has Silver Dollars imbedded in the Bar
richardcoxid 07/10/19 03:49pm Roads and Routes
RE: Advice for first time RV rental and experience

Some helpful information about YSNP (some general items apply to GTNP also) YNP is BIG!, about 45 miles E/W and about 65 miles N/S (2.2 mil. Acres total). The “figure 8 grand loop” road inside the park is about 140 miles around. The lower loop is 96 miles and the upper loop is 70 miles around and yes, it is bigger than the states of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. Whatever time that you think you will need to see YNP you better double it, or to say it another way is that you will see one half as much as you planned on in the allotted time. The Bison think that they own the road (they do!) and will slow down the traffic to walking speed or stop all traffic for 1/4 mile or more blocking both directions of travel, the thermal attractions also tie up traffic and with a 5 month long summer tourist season that coincides with a 5 month long road construction season and a 45 MPH radar controlled speed limit it will take about a full day to see each loop and then you will only see the main attractions. In addition to the occasional construction delays they will also sometimes close whole sections of road (for uninterrupted night construction) between 10 PM and 8 AM in the morning, if you are running late and get caught at night in the wrong area it CAN be a LONG way around to your CG! (The entrance stations will have current construction information or go on line to check it out) Then there is the elevation- YNP ranges from a low at Mammoth- 6239 ft to 7784 ft at Fishing Bridge or higher if you go hiking and there are passes on the grand loop road that are close to 8000 ft or so! Drink plenty of liquids and pace yourself when walking. I recommend that you get up EARLY, leave the CG and be back by 4 or 6 PM have dinner and be sitting in your recliner drinking a cool one when your neighbor drags himself back to the CG at 8-10 PM. Remember that from mid May to mid July in YNP the sun doesn't set until about 9:00- 9:15 PM then there is a long and bright twilight. Cell Phone Service- Only at the major visitor centers, otherwise non-existent! Clothing- Especially in the early or late season it is not unusual to have a 30 or even the occasional 40 degree temperature change throughout the day. Dress with easily shed layers of clothing. Also dress in bright easily seen clothing. I am sure that we all have been to a sporting event, parade or Disney World etc. and we blink our eyes and our partner/child has disappeared. My DIL was born and raised in HI, you guessed it, every Xmas, b-day or Father's Day I receive a Hawaiian shirt. One of them is shiny black with 4-5 inch dia. bright flowers. Not many of them in Wyoming and in YSNP, that is what I wear. If your partner has on a Violet blouse and a Orange scarf with a Pink hat I guarantee that she will be the only one within the boundaries of either NP. It can save you a few anxious moments. Water- Now I will have to contradict myself, at the altitude of YNP yes, drink lots of water! HOWEVER, be aware that the flush toilet restrooms are in the major tourist areas- Mammoth, Canyon, Fishing Bridge, Lake Hotel, Bridge Bay, Grant Village, Old Faithful, Madison Junction etc. The geyser basins and other thermal attractions areas only have pit toilets. I have seen the pit toilet line at the lower Geyser Basin (2 R/Rs) 25 or more feet long (bless the tour buses) So be smart about drinking your water and use the major tourist area R/Rs before leaving the area! I.e. “Never pass up a flush toilet!” Sun- At YSNP altitude the Sun is intense (uv) have and apply sunscreen, wear that old floppy wide brim sun hat, wear Sunglasses! If your luck is like mine Old Faithful will have just erupted when you get there and you will have up to a hour and 10 to 15 minutes wait for the next one. Tour the O/F Geyser basin while waiting. O/F INN is a must see, reportedly the largest LOG building in the U.S. (Meals in the O/F Inn dinning room are “A OK” also. We have lived about 110 miles from West Yellowstone, MT since 1964, go to YSNP 3-4 times a summer (normally before Memorial Day and after Labor Day) and haven't seen it all yet! So don’t be discouraged that you didn’t have the time to see all of it. Just plan on coming back another time! I honestly don’t mean to scare or discourage you but to give you a heads up as to what to expect! After all there was 4.1 million visitors in 2015! As far as I know we didn’t lose one of them. Except those who by their own stupidity step off the board walks into BOILING HOT water and ignoring the warnings about the WILD ANIMALS! That is called purifying the gene pool! Note I have seen on this blog and others about folks “day tripping” from YSNP to GTNP, it is done all the time (myself included) however remember this is BIG country and with the speed limits, animals and thermal attractions you will be doing a LOT of slow driving. From Grant Village Visitor Center (extreme S/E corner of the lower loop road) to Jackson, WY is about 80 miles with Coulter Bay being about 1/2 way then from Grant Village you have to add the distance to your CG it will be a Long days trip! A point of Coulter Bay (GTNP) clarification- there are two (2) CG’s at Coulter Bay, One the “Coulter Bay RV Park” a full service “RV Park” with FHU’S that takes reservations. The other is the “Coulter Bay Campground “ has no hookups and doesn’t take reservations. Both have about 300 sites and are basically across the road from each other. The Gros Ventre CG in GTNP (about 5 miles north of Jackson and about 4 miles east toward the town of Kelly, right side of the road) is about 300 sites (including about 30 sites that are electric only) has no hookups and doesn’t take reservations. When in the Jackson area I highly recommend seeing the Bar J Chuckwagon dinner show! If you go, MAKE RESERVATIONS and BE THERE EARLY TO PICK UP YOUR MEAL TICKETS/ TABLE SEATING ASSIGNMENTS! They seat you by when you show up to get your tickets NOT by your reservation number. Tim, their fiddle player has won the "Idaho state old time fiddle contest 7 times and the US open fiddle championship twice". If you decide to go you will sit at picnic type of bench seats/table, they get pretty hard, I recommend that you take along a blanket/pads to sit on. We day trip it there 2-4 times every summer just to see them! Disclaimer- We have no financial or other interest in the Bar J only that it will be the best $$ value for your money on your trip! Check out their website. http://www.barjchuckwagon.com Also in Jackson check out the “COWBOY” bar, the bar stools are saddles and the # of Silver Dollars in the bar. The Wort Hotel Bar (just around the corner from the Cowboy Bar) also has Silver Dollars imbedded in the Bar
richardcoxid 07/08/19 02:51pm Beginning RVing
RE: one more hot water tank question

Also DSI means “Direct Spark Ignition” it does NOT have a pilot! The burner is lit by a electric spark controlled by a circuit board. Do you have 12VDC available, do you have a blown fuse? Or bad circuit board?
richardcoxid 06/20/19 05:00pm Travel Trailers
RE: Help with new TT list

Check out Outdoors RV mountain series, made in La Grande, Or.
richardcoxid 06/20/19 04:54pm Travel Trailers
RE: TT w/ recliners, large bath, under 28 ft.

Look at outdoors RV, Timber Ridge 24RKS, 28’8” OAL, 24’ box length. The recliners are an option.
richardcoxid 06/15/19 08:17pm Travel Trailers
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