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RE: The better 5th wheeler?

I just sold my Coleman 247BH last week and started looking at Bunkhouse 5ths. Had a list of 9, narrowed it down to 4 models, then went and looked at them, several times. Narrowed down to two, a Keystone Sprinter, and an Arctic Wolf. The price difference between them is $4,000. The Keystone had massive quality issues, the cabinet doors were cheaper than Home Depot budget cabinets, parts were loose around the slide, about the only thing it did have was an upgraded suspension. It didn't even have auto level. Next I looked at the Arctic Wolf, a 3660SUITE. Solid cabinets, well made doors, no rattles, about what you could expect for your kitchen. Includes auto level, and the command center that lets you run all the controls from your smart phone. Montana is one of those brands considered higher end, they run upwards of $100K, yet I had a cabinet door come off in my hand. Pays to research and inspect them all, price of the unit doesn't mean it is quality, yet sometimes you can find higher quality in a lower cost one. The Arctic Wolf is $41,995. I know the OP is looking for a TH, so this post just as a reference of what to look for. IOW don't discard a lower priced one without first looking at it. A similar Montana was $74K.
Acdii 06/30/20 12:46pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: The better 5th wheeler?

EDIT: Shoot, just saw you mentioned you're after toy haulers. You may want to ask this question in the toy hauler forum as well. We were plenty happy with our Keystone Impact toy hauler... it was just big. Most toy haulers are unless you want your toys stored next to your kitchen (aka no separate garage). Keep in mind that your living space isn't that much bigger than a truck camper unless you buy a really big trailer, since most of it is taken up by garage. We did a lot of research when we purchased our current rig. We downsized from a Keystone Impact toy hauler. My first suggestion is to figure out a floor plan you like. I found that pretty much every manufacturer makes almost the same exact floor plan. Some are even the exact same, but different lengths, so just more space between "things". I narrowed ours down to Grand Design Reflection and the Keystone Montana High Country as both had a floor plan we liked along with the size we wanted (under 35') I really liked the Grand Designs but they did not offer a Gen Prep option which was a deal killer for us. I did look at Arctic Fox at an RV show as their boondocking capabilities were appealing and it felt dated and had the exact same floor plan as my in laws 1998 5th wheel down to the shower opening directly next to the bed. No thanks.
JAC1982 06/30/20 11:45am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

Having had 2 Grand Designs, currently a Solitude, I would not buy another. There is nothing Grand, at least not anymore. This current one has more issues than you can shake a stick at including frame flex now causing sealants to fail. I feel eventually we'll be facing cracks in the filon skin at some point. Grand Designs stellar service is no longer stellar. They might send you some cheap parts if you hound them enough, but the days of bending over backwards for the customer are over. What someone else said is dead on, they delete most of the negativity from their Facebook pages or factory sponsored forum. They build mediocre mass produced RVs like most of the others. What they still are able to maintain is a cult like following of owners who drink their Kool-Aid. I never joined. For the price, look at the Keystone Montana. Compare the size of the main frame rail to a comparably sized Grand Design and most others. You'll like what you see. There has been a lot of crying about frame failures on the Montana fifth wheels, they are far from immune . I owned two of them for nearly 14 years, and had good luck, like some that make that famous statement " I had no issues with mine " I got the a good one that was built in the middle of the week, after the hangovers were over with I guess :B
cummins2014 05/27/20 09:05am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

Having had 2 Grand Designs, currently a Solitude, I would not buy another. There is nothing Grand, at least not anymore. This current one has more issues than you can shake a stick at including frame flex now causing sealants to fail. I feel eventually we'll be facing cracks in the filon skin at some point. Grand Designs stellar service is no longer stellar. They might send you some cheap parts if you hound them enough, but the days of bending over backwards for the customer are over. What someone else said is dead on, they delete most of the negativity from their Facebook pages or factory sponsored forum. They build mediocre mass produced RVs like most of the others. What they still are able to maintain is a cult like following of owners who drink their Kool-Aid. I never joined. For the price, look at the Keystone Montana. Compare the size of the main frame rail to a comparably sized Grand Design and most others. You'll like what you see.
GDS-3950BH 05/27/20 07:21am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

“If” money is no object......New Horizons, out of Kansas! Their Summit line is still head and shoulders above most anything else....and somewhat affordable. If you will consider buying used.....they get a lot more affordable! memtbMost people say they want the best until they hear the price. The trouble with most high end products is devaluation. If you purchase a New Horizon, Rolls-Royce or Bentley 5 years down the road you have lost a heck of a lot of money. This can be a advantage to buying used. I think the CEO of Keystone said it best, (We build more Montana's in a week than New Horizon builds in a year). Most people will purchase a new (affordable) rather then a used late model High end trailer. Most people don't even know the difference. Don't believe me, look at the answer's that think low end trailers are high end. Depreciation on a 250,000 unit is definitely going to bother some. The other thing that makes a high end fiver less desirable for some is the weight. With quality comes weight. I think one of the smallest Continental Coach 5vers weighed about 26,000 lbs empty... New Horizons is likely .considerably less. Most of the New Horizons I've seen are extremely heavy with three axles and people use class 7 or 8's to pull them. So you are correct in needing a special truck for large units. I live about a hour from the plant and have gone through the plant. You really see a difference in how they are made. Workers take their time and do it correctly. The first thing you do is sit down with a designer on a custom build and pick out what you want. The company owner also camps in his custom built unit. The Summitt is pre-designed and a little more affordable.
colliehauler 05/26/20 06:03am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

“If” money is no object......New Horizons, out of Kansas! Their Summit line is still head and shoulders above most anything else....and somewhat affordable. If you will consider buying used.....they get a lot more affordable! memtbMost people say they want the best until they hear the price. The trouble with most high end products is devaluation. If you purchase a New Horizon, Rolls-Royce or Bentley 5 years down the road you have lost a heck of a lot of money. This can be a advantage to buying used. I think the CEO of Keystone said it best, (We build more Montana's in a week than New Horizon builds in a year). Most people will purchase a new (affordable) rather then a used late model High end trailer. Most people don't even know the difference. Don't believe me, look at the answer's that think low end trailers are high end. Depreciation on a 250,000 unit is definitely going to bother some. The other thing that makes a high end fiver less desirable for some is the weight. With quality comes weight. I think one of the smallest Continental Coach 5vers weighed about 26,000 lbs empty... New Horizons is likely .considerably less.
4x4ord 05/26/20 12:04am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

“If” money is no object......New Horizons, out of Kansas! Their Summit line is still head and shoulders above most anything else....and somewhat affordable. If you will consider buying used.....they get a lot more affordable! memtbMost people say they want the best until they hear the price. The trouble with most high end products is devaluation. If you purchase a New Horizon, Rolls-Royce or Bentley 5 years down the road you have lost a heck of a lot of money. This can be a advantage to buying used. I think the CEO of Keystone said it best, (We build more Montana's in a week than New Horizon builds in a year). Most people will purchase a new (affordable) rather then a used late model High end trailer. Most people don't even know the difference. Don't believe me, look at the answer's that think low end trailers are high end.
colliehauler 05/25/20 09:26am Fifth-Wheels
RE: 2017 keystone LAREDO 298SRL

O.K. that is not true at all I have owned 3 Montana's a 2004, 2012 and my 2015 and NONE have had delamination problems and No not all Keystones's are "entry level" trailers they do have some like most Mfg's like the Laredo which are no better or worse than any lower-mid priced 5er and you see ALOT of them so people seem to like them but I sure is heck would not call a Montana a Entry level at 75K large and also yes You should be able to haul a lighter 5er like the Laredo at around 9K without gear with a 2017 F250 Gas Every Keystone trailer I have ever seen has front delamination problems. A gut came over two days ago....same problem with his 2016 within two years of purchase.
topjimmy 05/09/20 10:49am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

Here you go. I do not believe Montana still builds it. https://www.rvtrader.com/Keystone-Montana-3710fl/rvs-for-sale?make=Keystone%7C2273942&model=MONTANA%7C764843037&trim=3710FL%7C33416
Me Again 04/28/20 06:56pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Montana 294RL for Single person fulltiming

We just put a deposit down on one. Trading in the toy hauler. It will be our third Keystone product. We joked that if everything goes to hell we could easily live in the Montana... not so much in the current hauler we have. I think it has a nice livable floor plan with good storage for full timing. That was something that was important to us, coming from a toy hauler that basically has one giant storage room. All the windows are nice too.
JAC1982 03/20/20 01:42pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Montana 294RL for Single person fulltiming

Good info from JIMNLIN above. You might also ask for opinions on the Montana Owner Club (MOC) forum. Very active Montana only forum with very friendly folks providing lots of experience, information, and help. The 294RL is a Montana High Country model which is lighter in weight that the regular Montana line, both of which are manufactured by KEYSTONE.
BB_TX 03/13/20 10:02am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Montana 294RL for Single person fulltiming

I have had 3 Montana's a 2004 ,2012 and my current 2015 and yes they have all been good 5er's with just minimal issues and I fulltimed in all three for 8 years starting at age 50(retired early):B towing with 1 Ton Duallies now I am off the fulltime Gig now and went down to a 2500HD Duramax GMC for short trips and by the way the guy who said Heartland makes Montana Keystone and Heartland are both owned by THOR
topjimmy 03/13/20 10:00am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Montana 294RL for Single person fulltiming

Keystone makes Montana trailers and 5th wheels. The 294RL is approx 14K fully loaded, 10.6 empty. Nice unit,
bucky 03/13/20 04:00am Fifth-Wheels
? Have you purchased from Walnut Ridge or Modern Trailer Rv

Doing research on a new 5th wheel. I am looking at Montana High Country or Keystone Avalanche. Walnut Ridge carries the Montana High Country and Modern Trailer carries the Avalanche. Both models have similar floor plans but some different options. Montana High Country : Electric Leveling, option to purchase slide toppers; 3000 # rated towing hitch. Keystone Avalanche : Hydraulic leveling, no factory option slide topper, 300# max accessory hitch ( bike carrier etc) What I am more interested in service after sale. How well does each service department work with y’a to get things fixed in a timely manner. Yes I am well aware of Keystones reputation. However, Modern Trailers offers something called RV warranty forever that covers something like 85 components. Is it worth it or not. One draw back is you have to bring trailer back to Modern Trailer every year for inspection and pay a fee of 175$ to keep your warranty forever .
kicker 02/21/20 09:23am Fifth-Wheels
RE: GD Solitude 380FL-R or keystone Alpine 3711KP

Considering both... so what about this?? Does that change anyone’s mind https://www.bankstonmotorhomes.com/blog/keystone-montana-fifth-wheels-compared-to-grand-design-solitude-fifth-wheels/ Interesting first post.:h Anyway while I am not a Grand Design Koolaid drinker, I think the article is too biased by only pointing out the potential negatives of the Solitude's and no negatives of the Montana's. Worthless article in my opinion. DanAnd gee, Bankston Motorhomes is a big conglomerate that sells/rents new and used RV's and toawables - notably, they sell Keystone, but not Grand Design. Most people are too smart to fall for this kind of "informative" blog nonsense. Looks like spam that should be removed.
2012Coleman 02/18/20 08:25am Fifth-Wheels
RE: GD Solitude 380FL-R or keystone Alpine 3711KP

Considering both... so what about this?? Does that change anyone’s mind https://www.bankstonmotorhomes.com/blog/keystone-montana-fifth-wheels-compared-to-grand-design-solitude-fifth-wheels/ Interesting first post.:h Anyway while I am not a Grand Design Koolaid drinker, I think the article is too biased by only pointing out the potential negatives of the Solitude's and no negatives of the Montana's. Worthless article in my opinion. Dan
Hammerboy 02/17/20 04:10pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: GD Solitude 380FL-R or keystone Alpine 3711KP

Considering both... so what about this?? Does that change anyone’s mind https://www.bankstonmotorhomes.com/blog/keystone-montana-fifth-wheels-compared-to-grand-design-solitude-fifth-wheels/
Fireman1043 02/17/20 03:14pm Fifth-Wheels
Looking For a Second 5th Wheel

Ok. Have been looking a lot. Have it down to top 4. No particular order. 1. Keystone Montana 3761 with Full body paint loaded to the max. 2 whisper AC units, 2 awnings. Got them from $121k to $78k 2. KZ Durango Gold 386FLF, wife loves because of 2nd fire place and dishwasher standard in this model.2 awnings and slide out awnings. 3 whisper AC units. $115k down to $72k. 3. Jayco North Point 382FLRB Love the cottage Farm look and seems to be same layouts. What I like is dual TVs is hide-a-tv area. One for living and kitchen. Whisper AC Don’t have pricing yet rep said $72-75kClick image for larger version 4. Grand Design Solitude 380FL full body paint loaded nicely too. $118k down to $83k, but no whisper AC units. Click image for larger version Any and all feedback is welcome.
TheHoff 02/14/20 09:40pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Low cargo carrying capacity rant

Always good to check the numbers. Also published dry weights are usually less than delivered trailers with added options. This has been an issue with many 5th wheels we have looked at. Great to have all that storage but not a lot of cargo weight capacity especially for folks wanting to do extended traveling. You might have a look at the Keystone Montana 3700 LK for a somewhat similar rear kitchen floorpan with 3200 pound CC. You can also add the Legacy package which will give this beast disc brakes.
work2much 01/11/20 11:49am Fifth-Wheels
RE: keystone Montana for fulltiming??

I can't help much with the full-timing aspect but I like that floor plan a lot. We are considering a Montana High Country ourselves which is basically that plan, minus the middle bedroom (I'd love to have that as a dog room!). The only thing I'd really look at is the closet space to make sure it's enough for you both, especially if you put in a washer/dryer. I'll also add that getting that price down to 50-60k might be tough. I know the rule of thumb is 30% off MSRP, but that will put you at the top end of your range. Otherwise, we've owned 2 other Keystone products, including our current toyhauler, and we've been happy with both of them. Only reason we keep switching is because our needs change.
JAC1982 01/09/20 05:24pm Fifth-Wheels
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