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GONZO99TA

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Posted: 03/24/08 11:21am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well just read Don Curly's version of trip and seen his pictures and that appears to have answered most of my questions on why it's not recomended for hard side camper. Especially when he mentions side to side bounce and scraping his camper on the rocks.

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GONZO99TA wrote:

How were the trucks set up? other than the GMC that appears to have a mild lift, the others seem stock. Was there a lot of off camber spots that deter the hard side camper or is it clearance with overhanging objects? Just curious as to why it was not recomended for hard side camper. Did you overnite on the trail or up and back on same day.

Moab is on my list of places to experiance. Although i would be MTB and using my blazer for the trails. Something about 4 wheeling with that camper, leads me to think i would have one big mess to clean up inside when i was done.


I think it is likely that Ben is already away on a business trip, so I'll step in here for him. Your questions have already been asked and answered on the first White Rim Trial Expedition thread http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseac........hread/tid/21166782/srt/pa/pging/1/page/1

Here is my original response:

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The White Rim Trail is really the domain of smallish 4x4 vehicles (Jeeps, etc.), mountain bikers, and dirt bikes (motorcycles). Going in with full-sized pickups with pop-up campers is a bit of a stretch, but it can be done with the right equipment, experience, and a bit of luck. Steve_in_29 had a LB Ford, so again, it can be done. However, when you start adding in an extra long wheel base, with duals, and then a heavy hard-sided camper ... I submit you are definitely asking for trouble. There are some VERY narrow sections, relatively low overhangs, and numerous switchbacks in places. Traction could also be an issue in some places with duals.

Could you make it if you were really determined? Perhaps, but you would likely increase the potential for damage to your rig, getting stuck in a major way, or worse. There are no services in the immediate area, the National Park Service is technically not allowed to help you out, and the general rule is if you go in, you are responsible for getting yourself out. Getting towed-out from a commercial service in Moab would likely cost you in excess of $1000 (assuming you could get someone to even come in there). And that would probably be just your truck and not the camper too.

Don


And here is Steve_in_29's follow-up response to the same questions:

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As to the posters that mention taking their dually's and hardside campers into the WRT, I think Don is being too diplomatic. There are a couple of spots that will pretty much guarantee damage to a hardside due to their increased height and width. The Outfitter is slightly narrower then most campers and there were places we JUST fit. A dually would have had AT LEAST one of the outside tires literally hanging off the edge of the road in a couple spots. Not a good thing when the edge of the road is a drop off into nothing. At one point I had my tires less then a foot away from the edge to enable my camper to clear some rocks that jutted out into the trail.

Don mentioned my truck being a long-bed but it is only an extended-cab which makes it the same as a crew-cab, short-bed. Either of which would be the longest vehicle I would want to try taking over that trail. Though I guess a crew-cab, long-bed with an 8' camper would work as well but could still have problems due to the increased turning radius. The increased wheel cut (and resultant tighter turning radius) on the 05 and up Fords really was nice.

Please keep in mind that places like the WRT are NOT amusement park rides, where all the dangers are only make-believe. Not trying to inflate our egos but people need to be aware that there REALLY was the potential for serious damage/injury while taking vehicles as large as ours over the trail. Even while doing everything right, with our tires as close to the edge as they had to be in places, something as uncontrollable as the dirt giving way could have resulted in disaster.

That being said, for appropriately sized vehicles the WRT is a GREAT adventure.


In terms of how our trucks were set-up, there was no GMC truck in our group. Perhaps you are confusing the White Rim Trail threads with Whazoo's (Dave Roger's) thread on his Top of the World trip. In any case, I believe Ben's (Nemo667) Ford F-350 was bone stock with BFG All Terrain tires. Steve-in-29's Ford F-350 had 35" ProComp Xtreme M/T tires and front/rear Buckstop bumpers with a Warn 16.5K lb winch (but stock suspension). My Dodge 3500 CTD had 35" Toyo Open Country M/T tires, Firestone Ride-Rite air bags, but otherwise stock suspension.

We spent essentially three days on the WRT. The first night we camped at White Crack (about 40 miles into the trail), the second night's camp was at Taylor Canyon (about another 40 miles further), and then we left the park and came out on top of the Island in the Sky mesa on the third day. If you want more of a chronology of the trip, go ahead and take a look at the first thread. (edit): >>Which I see you just did<<

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I personnel believe that a hardside can make the White Rim Trail, if a unimog can do it,Globetrotter travelogs and Earhtroamer have done this trail, Both of these RVs are big hardsides vehicles.


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Posted: 04/02/08 11:17pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

c.traveler2 wrote:

I personnel believe that a hardside can make the White Rim Trail, if a unimog can do it,Globetrotter travelogs and Earhtroamer have done this trail, Both of these RVs are big hardsides vehicles.
There have been hard sides on the trail no doubt. Clearance with a pop-up will be better and the potential for damage will be less of an issue than with a heavier, taller, more top heavy camper. Hope you have a blast on your trip...we sure did.

* This post was edited 04/02/08 11:34pm by Nemo667 *


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c.traveler2 wrote:

I personnel believe that a hardside can make the White Rim Trail, if a unimog can do it,Globetrotter travelogs and Earhtroamer have done this trail, Both of these RVs are big hardsides vehicles.
Not sure on how the Mog made out but I believe that was the trail the ER took damage to its pas-side roof on. Keep in mind that the ER is also similarly sized to a smaller truck camper as far as its overall height/width goes.

Something else is that the trail is constantly changing as to its condition due to weather and erosion and there is only so much the Park service can do. They basically have to keep the roads passable for up to full-sized pickups and access for anything larger (such as a TC combo) is a bonus. What might have been passable by a larger combo in past years could now be too tight and it can be a VERY a$$ puckering experience for even the most experienced driver to have to drive such a combo in reverse for a mile or so if you can't fit. There are no bypasses or alternate routes for the trail, you either fit or you don't and have to deal with it on the spot.

Could a smaller hardside on a full-sized SRW truck make it, most likely so but anyone attempting it should keep the above in mind. Like I posted before this isn't a Disneyland attraction with "fake" dangers.

* This post was edited 04/03/08 06:22pm by Steve_in_29 *


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Steve, could you have made it pulling your little Baja trailer?


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~DJ~ wrote:

Steve, could you have made it pulling your little Baja trailer?
Yes it turns out that I could have. Since I can't back a trailer to save my life [emoticon], I was concerned about some switchbacks that we supposedly were going to have to do 3-point turns to get around but in the end there was only one and it wasn't as bad as we were expecting. I wouldn't want to take any trailer larger then that though.

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Would really like to get in touch with Dave Rogers ( wahzoo). My wife & really liked his PICs from prior posts. I know its alot more then the camera but would really like to know the camera he used.
Thanks for your consideration,
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kerm55 wrote:

Would really like to get in touch with Dave Rogers ( wahzoo). My wife & really liked his PICs from prior posts. I know its alot more then the camera but would really like to know the camera he used.
Thanks for your consideration,
Kevin
I sent Dave (wahzoo) a PM. He visits the board on a fairly regular basis so he should contact you soon.

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