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cekkk

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camperdave wrote:

dammit, i just can't resist this thread... this time I'm done. [emoticon]


I've sworn off a few times. It's addictive. BTW, your solar investment should have a payback of, well, used to be five years, but we could double that these days. So if your pre-solar monthly electric bills ran $333.33, you'll break even. Assuming there are no maintenance costs.


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You must figure in the cost of the capital. It was 5 years, then everybody would have it. The payback is longer than the usable live of the equipment.





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Right, LR. No matter how you spin it, these green "alternatives" only work if the dollars are ignored, and then only half-a**.

Here in Colorado the big news story was how wind power furnished over 50% of our power one day last week. Well, not exactly. Actually, it was one night last week. When usage was low. And Lord knows what those KWHs cost. But they were green!

Oh, yeah. You, Mr. and Mrs. U.S. Taxpayer, picked up 30% of the initial costs of these ridiculously expensive turbines. But no thank yous are in order, as the credits expire in a few months and we Colorans will be stuck with the future exorbitant costs. [emoticon]

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The UK installed the largest wind farm in the world in the North Sea where the wind blow more that almost anywhere else in the world. They are already starting to fail on the concrete bases and the government has decided not to repair them. As they fail, they will be sold for scrap. Had all of this money been spent on research, then maybe we would be further along in our search for cheap dependable energy. A simple question for those who have not taken the time to research wind and solar is, "If these make such great economic sense and are such a great deal, how come they are not on every roof top?"

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Right, LR. No matter how you spin it, these green "alternatives" only work if the dollars are ignored, and then only half-a**.

Here in Colorado the big news story was how wind power furnished over 50% of our power one day last week. Well, not exactly. Actually, it was one night last week. When usage was low. And Lord knows what those KWHs cost. But they were green!

Oh, yeah. You, Mr. and Mrs. U.S. Taxpayer, picked up 30% of the initial costs of these ridiculously expensive turbines. But no thank yous are in order, as the credits expire in a few months and we Colorans will be stuck with the future exorbitant costs. [emoticon]


Wrong again! My 2yr lease on the Volt is 177 a month with 2500 down stroke. Figuring the difference in the cost of our old car (20mpg) subtract that from the lease and it costs me $900.00 a year to own. go re-figure!
Don't worry about wind as those farms are growing in the US tremendously. The "grids" are being improved to take care of the "new" energy coming on them. The worst thing about the subsidy was Texas using it to buy windmills from China, real American that!.

With all the refinery fires this week we should see much higher gas prices for a while.


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Don't worry about wind as those farms are growing in the US tremendously.


Wind and solar now account for 2% of our nations energy. It is incredibly expensive. The notion that is rapidly expanding is totally wrong. It is supported only by taxpayer subsidies and will disappear when the subsidies are gone. Do you have wind and solar at your house? If no, why not, if it is such a good idea.

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Hmmm, according to Gas Buddy most local stations are at $3.89. Won't be long until we hit that magical spot of $4.00 a gallon.[emoticon]

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Wrong again! My 2yr lease on the Volt is 177 a month with 2500 down stroke. Figuring the difference in the cost of our old car (20mpg) subtract that from the lease and it costs me $900.00 a year to own. go re-figure!
Don't worry about wind as those farms are growing in the US tremendously. The "grids" are being improved to take care of the "new" energy coming on them. The worst thing about the subsidy was Texas using it to buy windmills from China, real American that!.

With all the refinery fires this week we should see much higher gas prices for a while.


when you turn in your leased vehicle, if it is not worth what they anticipated it would be when you got your lease, will you not owe more money? I thought that was how leases work. When these vehicles are getting a few years on them and a $10,000 battery bill is on the horizon, what will the hulk be worth? A while back the paper had a comparison of cost of a gas vs hybrid car, I think it was a honda civic or some such, and it took 7-10 years for the hybrid to break even.
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tomman58 wrote:

cekkk wrote:

Right, LR. No matter how you spin it, these green "alternatives" only work if the dollars are ignored, and then only half-a**.

Here in Colorado the big news story was how wind power furnished over 50% of our power one day last week. Well, not exactly. Actually, it was one night last week. When usage was low. And Lord knows what those KWHs cost. But they were green!

Oh, yeah. You, Mr. and Mrs. U.S. Taxpayer, picked up 30% of the initial costs of these ridiculously expensive turbines. But no thank yous are in order, as the credits expire in a few months and we Colorans will be stuck with the future exorbitant costs. [emoticon]


Wrong again! My 2yr lease on the Volt is 177 a month with 2500 down stroke. Figuring the difference in the cost of our old car (20mpg) subtract that from the lease and it costs me $900.00 a year to own. go re-figure!
Don't worry about wind as those farms are growing in the US tremendously. The "grids" are being improved to take care of the "new" energy coming on them. The worst thing about the subsidy was Texas using it to buy windmills from China, real American that!.

With all the refinery fires this week we should see much higher gas prices for a while.


Wrong again? I've read and re-read my comments and cannot find a single reference to the Volt.

But since you raise the subject, your 2-year lease is subsidized by me, whether I like it or not. How nice for you. Furthermore, if you recharge about 400 times (every other day you fuss with it!?!) to ring all your miles out of electricity, assuming wind generated power, you're getting more taxpayer subsidies. It just never ends.

And that, my friend, is why, after roughly 40 years of governmental promotion at taxpayer expense, wind and solar does not and cannot compete in the free marketplace, nor will it until its costs are on a par with coal, gas and oil generated power plants. Even with all the recent efforts to artificially force up the price of those sources, they still are far cheaper than wind and solar.

I believe their time will come. But let's give them time to develop their own legs legitimately, rather than being toted around on the backs of taxpayers.

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The UK installed the largest wind farm in the world in the North Sea where the wind blow more that almost anywhere else in the world. They are already starting to fail on the concrete bases and the government has decided not to repair them. As they fail, they will be sold for scrap. Had all of this money been spent on research, then maybe we would be further along in our search for cheap dependable energy. A simple question for those who have not taken the time to research wind and solar is, "If these make such great economic sense and are such a great deal, how come they are not on every roof top?"


Where do you get this information? You seem to make a lot of claims but never give citations.

I posted a message a couple weeks ago about how Germany had produced half their electric power for a whole weekend from windpower, and that windpower was flourishing in Germany.

I am in favor of alternative energy for a very selfish reason: it will relieve some of the upward pressure on petrol prices for my RV fuel. As a bonus, it will reduce the despoilment of the beautiful American countryside and the air we breath, which I believe any loyal American should cherish.

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