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Newbie4Life

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Posted: 12/16/08 06:21pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Hi Guys,

I'm just looking for a little help here -- I'm more than a little disgusted -- at myself.

I could've put this in the "Chinese ATV" post... but it's a little different.

Problem #1... I bought a Joyner. Chinese Junk.

Problem #2... I had a REALLY good salesman, who said all the right things.

If I would've taken the time to research, like I usually do, I would've found I was being lied to right from the start.

I bought this thing about 2 months ago. It has a 3 month warranty on it, so I figure I better act fast:

The sales brochure says Joyner is an Arizona company, and so did the salesman. After doing very little digging, I see it's made in China. Disgusted, because I don't even shop at Wal-crap because of all of the chinese junk there. I feel like a traitor. [emoticon](

Winch didn't work at the dealership... Salesman had his "technician" look at it, and fixed it. First time on the trail, it didn't work again. Broke fenders trying to get it "unstuck".

Then, it overheated. The dealership did not fill with antifreeze. Then, they replaced it with an "almost new" one. Had more miles than my "new" one. The dump box doesn't fit right on it, and smells like something is burning everytime you run it.

Then, 3 weeks ago (just before hunting season) The rear differential went out of it while my wife was driving around the yard. The Owner said that apparently I'm "hard on equipment." This raised MY temperature level, and I overheated. After calming down, he then told me that Joyner had some differential problems. Something about not hardening the gears or something.

Got it fixed, bring it home, now I have a puddle of oil on my brand new garage floor 12" round.

Radio that comes with it doesnt' work. Salesman said the radio will be replaced. Owner won't do it, because it's more trouble than it's worth.

Won't start if it's less than 20 degrees outside. Seems to be an issue when it's been less than 20 degrees since November 20th. Only way it will start is if i put the jumper cables on it. Owner of dealership said to "buy a new battery. Batteries are not covered by warranty." When I asked if he's sold any of these to people that use them in the winter (salesman said he's sold a ton of them -- to loggers even.) he didn't know if anyone uses them in the winter. When I inquired about the longevity of these things, he replied, "There's a reason they're about $5k less than the others."

This is a 2008 Joyner Commando C4 with less than 80 miles on it (45 were on it when I got it.)

Are ATVs exempt from the Lemon Law? Don't get me wrong -- I like the TYPE of machine, but I've had it with my dealership, and the company.

Any ideas from the greatest group of RVers on the planet?

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Jason


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OUCH


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Posted: 12/16/08 06:51pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

you need to check with your individual state about lemon laws, each state has different laws. good luck,and let us know what happens.


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Maybe sue in small claims court for recission of contract. Just a thought from a non-lawyer.

You bought something that doesn't seem to do its job properly.

You want your money back and they can have their machine that doesn't work.

Might be worth a try.

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Sell it..........


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desert_dad wrote:

Maybe sue in small claims court for recission of contract. Just a thought from a non-lawyer.

You bought something that doesn't seem to do its job properly.

You want your money back and they can have their machine that doesn't work.

Might be worth a try.

Andrew


I like this idea the best. It'd be one thing to have a poor product, or poor service, but I've got the corner on both of these.

I thought I'd better get my whole story down on paper, so I can keep all of the events in a timeline straight.

I have 4 full pages.

It's unreal.

Thanks for the ideas. I feel bad for the pro-Joyner folks out there... I'm not trying to bash their machines. I just don't want to be a part of the Joyner group... not after this. I've even tried calling and e-mailing Joyner. i'ver received nothing back from them for e-mails, and I must be calling at the wrong time of day, because I get their machine that says the office is closed.

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Hi Newbie,

Just a quick reminder of the forum rules:
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Posts are not allowed in which a local or state consumer action board and/or legal counsel is/have been involved. This includes posts related to future, ongoing or past lawsuits.

I'm not sure how long this thread can last, because there's not much room to talk it out and not cross the "legal" line. Hopefully folks can keep this in mind as they reply--it will keep the thread open longer.

With that said, how did you pay? Has it been less than 60 days? If you paid with a credit card and it's been less than 60 days, you can file a dispute with your bank. (Doesn't work if it's a PIN based transaction with a debit card though.)


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I ask too, how did you pay ?

If you were smart, you financed it nothing down, and 100% financed, even if you have tons of money. Now you must first give the dealer a reasonable chance to take it back, and if they refuse, call the finance company, tell them what junk it is, and that you have made your last payment. And if.... like in my experience, you will get a call from the dealer, chewing on you for ever calling the bank, and offering to make everything right,....or in my case, sent me a check for all my losses.

Never pay for anything up front ! You will be amazed at how much power the finance companys have over the dealers. W/o them, the dealers are finished !

I just bought a new 610 Kawi Mule, $6200 total, no money down, $59 a month. But I'll pay it off in 6 months,...after the dealer has shown to be responsible, w/ warranty issues, etc.


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Rent a small plane. Load up the thing up and take a short flight over the dealership. At about 4500AGL open the door and push that thing out the door over the dealership with a note stating, I am returning this equipment because it is a piece of junk. [emoticon]

Yes I am joking, but I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt. I'm afraid you now have a very expensive boat anchor. I took mine back to the seller on consignment and took a 20% hit. Lesson learned....

Sorry to hear of your troubles and I hope you get some satisfaction. Chinese made products are crap. They are also very dangerous. With the trouble your having, think about how the handlebars might fold on you going over a log at the top of a hill, I don't like to think about it. But if the gears aren't hardened correctly, what else isn't?

I'll repeat what was said to me that I ignored, buy from the big 5, you pay more but you get peace of mind and safety.[emoticon]

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RJsfishin wrote:

I ask too, how did you pay ?

If you were smart, you financed it nothing down, and 100% financed, even if you have tons of money. Now you must first give the dealer a reasonable chance to take it back, and if they refuse, call the finance company, tell them what junk it is, and that you have made your last payment. And if.... like in my experience, you will get a call from the dealer, chewing on you for ever calling the bank, and offering to make everything right,....or in my case, sent me a check for all my losses.

Never pay for anything up front ! You will be amazed at how much power the finance companys have over the dealers. W/o them, the dealers are finished !

I just bought a new 610 Kawi Mule, $6200 total, no money down, $59 a month. But I'll pay it off in 6 months,...after the dealer has shown to be responsible, w/ warranty issues, etc.


I financed it -- I didn't know the banks would be an advocate for having issues resolved. You made me call my long-time friend at the bank. He will be calling the dealership in the a.m. He made the remark that legally, there's not much room they have, however, he can make it difficult for anyone that would like to purchase from his company again, and finance through them. They have 3 different dealerships, and sell more than Junk-ners. To give you an idea of this guy, he sold Daewoo cars about 3 months prior to them being bought out by GM, and done away with.

I have told my story to many here locally, and after I tell them where I purchased my Chinese Namakamagucci crap, the statment to follow is, "You didn't buy it from __________, did you?"

Yeap. I did. It's interesting that I didn't hear anything about this guy until now. It's a small town dealership - 2500 people or so to the town. Yet, he's still in business.

Thanks for the "non-legal" tip.

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