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Hello, We live in South Texas and enjoy the winter people coming down to stay with us. It is just to hot here now and We were thinking about spending July, Aug. and Sept in a cooler climate. Do you have
any suggestions on a cooler, more pleasant climate during this time frame. Thank you for you help.

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Come on up to Mooers Forks, NY. 5 miles from the Canadian Border, 45 miles from Montreal. Weather at this time of year is in the high 70's, low 60's at night. Best climate in all of the US of A.


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I have gathered up a few suggestions for finding a place to escape the summer heat mainly in the New Mexico high country (it got kind of long [emoticon]):

Heron Lake State Park. We have spent more time at Heron Lake State Park near Chama, NM going back several years in the summers when our kids were young. We did have a canoe and enjoyed canoeing on it. Chama is a neat place with a very nice steam train ride up into Colorado. The Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad. Chama would be about 95 miles from Taos. It is a very neat drive between Taos & Chama. State Park also Heron
Chama Area
Tierra Wools of Los Ojos near the turn off to Heron Lake. Wool Artisans
Tierra Amarilla

Additional information on Chama/Heron Lake: One can drive, bike or walk to a section of Vado Lake (there is a State Park on it as well, but Vado Lake allows speed boats, canoed a lot on *Heron, even canoed on the section of Vado by Heron up the Rio Chama which is "flooded" or backed up by Vado Lake water for some distance until it became two shallow to canoe easily). One can hike down from the Dam Area to the Rio Chama at Heron. As we were canoeing back from the flooded Rio Chama a speed boad up on plane came charging at us. But it turned before getting very close. Didn't know if he could see us or not. We were waving our paddles.

*Heron lake has 6,000-acre normal surface acres. The lake has approximately 35 miles of shoreline. Maximum depth at the dam is 215 feet when full and 142 feet at minimum storage level (7,186 feet elevation). Lake is restricted to sailing and no-wake speed operation of motorboats. Coldwater fishery. Rainbow trout, brown trout, lake trout, carp, and kokanee salmon. Optimum fishing levels around 7,170' Ice fishing depending on conditions. One can will find good lake kayak/canoe exploration above the Narrows up Willow Creek and along the west side from the West Side Primitive Camping area. Another day can be spent exploring some of the Rio Chama Canyon with water backed up the Canyon where it enters El Vado Lake. North Ramp Access point for that paddle is just 2 miles west of Heron Lake on the way to the Stone House Lodge on NM 95.
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Heron Lake
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Heron does not get water from the Rio Chama, but gets diverted water from Colorado via Willow Creek. Most of the water in Heron was water once headed for the Pacific side of the continent (to the Colorado River), but now it gets to go to the Gulf of Mexico (via the Rio Grande). •Owned and operated by the Bureau of Reclamation. •Built as part of the San Juan-Chama (SJC) Project which is a transmountain diversion that moves water from the San Juan River Basin, across the continental divide, to the Rio Grande Basin for storage in Heron Reservoir, as a component of the Colorado River Storage Project. •Located on Willow Creek near the confluence with the Rio Chama. Heron Lake

Edit Add: The last I had heard the grocery store in Chama was closed, but after googling, Chama has a new one open! Market
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I am not sure what the place was called, but we got some really good Mexican food in Chama, but the Chile was the hotest I have had anywhere, but it was great, very tasty. I googled Mexican Food in Chama and this seems to be the place: Vera's Mexican Kitchen....On the main drag (NM 17) of Chama, just north of the turnoff of U.S. 64/84, on the right. food
Others Food

Note: It has been YEARS since we were in Chama, even longer since we ate there.

For a side trip take SR 17 out of Chama towards Antonito, CO at about 4.6 miles from the state line take a forest road on the left. There should be a forest service campground and perhaps disperse camping as well if my memory is correct. There is a small lake in there as well. Very pretty country, much higher area than Heron Lake. This would be about 12 or 13 miles from the Depot in Chama. This will be in the Cumbres Pass area 10,022'. It will be cooler at night as well as in the day.

At Chama one is not far from the Jicarilla Apache Nation (Pronounced hek-a-REH-ya). Apache

There is fishing in the lake, off the shore, by the dam & along the Chama River below the dam as well as in the Chama River by the main Highway, near Los Ojos near the turn off to Heron Lake as well as fishing by Chama, the town. It is noted for the fishing.

The train ride is great.

There are (54) Electric Sites which also have Water hook-ups, but no sewer hook-ups at the state park.

Access the hiking and fishing trail along the gorgeous Rio Chama from the dramatic caprock stairway near Heron Dam. The 5.5 mile trail which crosses the river by suspension bridge, affords panoramic views and an adventurous route to neighboring El Vado Lake.

Heron Lake State Park is 11 miles west of Tierra Amarilla via US highways 64 and 84 and NM 95. It is 28 miles to Chama via US 64. The campground is 6 miles from US 64 turn off.

The water can be kind of cold in the lake, but we have gone swiming in it. One can find, nice areas to swim in it. It is very clear & clean. If you have a canoe, it would be good, or a small boat or a rubber raft would be neat, to play around the lake. It is indeed a picturesque lake set among tall pines, Heron Lake has been designated a "quiet lake" where boats operate at no-wake speeds only. This park is known for its excellent sailing, fishing, cross-country skiing (in winter), and hiking.

I am originally from Harlingen, TX. There is nothing like it in South Texas for sure, nor in Texas.

The showers were good, clean and free.

Also on the way to Chama Area, you will be passing by Santa Fe and between Santa Fe & Chama you will find:

Abiquiu Lake -US Army Corps of Engineers campground, we have driven by but not stopped, they say it has excellent facilities surrounded by red sandstone cliffs and mesas of "O´Keefe Country." Abiquiu
Abiquiu

Echo Amphitheater is a must stop to just see it, very cool - Natural rock formation is nearby with a campground as well. Close to Ghost Ranch & the Ghost Ranch Piedra Lumbre Education and Visitor Center, located on U.S. Highway 84 just one mile north of the main Ghost Ranch entrance, has exhibits and a gift shop. A very nice museum in "O´Keefe Country." Ghost Ranch also has camping. Visitor Center
Echo
GhostRanch

There is lots to see in Santa Fe.

Santa Fe Museums & Art:

The Georgia O’Keeffe Museum opened to the public in July 1997, eleven years after the death of the artist. O'Keeffe

The Wheelwright Museum of the American Indian. Wheel Wright

New Mexico Museum of Art. NMMoA
What's There. Collections

Museum of New Mexico: Four Museums in Santa Fe, the List. Museum/NM
Museum of NM

Visual art and galleries: There are many Galleries around town, especially the Plaza area. The town and the surrounding areas have a high concentration of artists. They have come over the decades to capture on canvas and in other media the natural beauty of the landscape, the flora and the fauna. Canyon Road/ETC

Handmade Indian art at the Portal of the Governor’s Palace. NativeAmerican

New Mexico State Capitol Building can be toured, kind of neat. Nick Named the "Round House". The Capitol is located at the corner of
Old Santa Fe Trail and Paseo de Peralta. Tour

Bandelier National Monument would be a nice place to visit near Los Alamos and not far from Santa Fe. It was a pleasent campground when we stayed there as well.
Monument

As for food, I am not too familar with restaurants in Santa Fe, BUT we have enjoyed some very good food off of "push" carts or I should say street vendors around the Plaza. Not sure if they were actually a push cart or just carts of some kind if not just stands. It has been a while since we have gone. One item was corn on the cob, rosted. Also Bar-B-Que, if I remember correctly and some Mexican food as well.

Also a neat area in New Mexico would be:
Cimarron Canyon State Park is three miles east of Eagle Nest along US 64. Cimarron
It is a very scenic area, with a nice trout stream running along. We enjoyed our stay there, some years ago.

Eagle Nest is a neat area as well. Eagle Nest Lake is very pretty, but no camping by it as I remember. The drive from Eagle Nest (a neat little town) to Raton you would see Cimarron Canyon SP. You would be driving along or in the Cimarron Canyon much of the way. The village of Cimarron is a neat historic place. Village
Colfax
Cimarron
If you do make it to the Eagle Nest Area, be sure to see the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, one of the first Memorials of its kind in the United States dedicated to Vietnam Veterans. A very moving place. It is in Angle Fire.
Memorial
Angel Fire Memorial

By driving 30 miles from Eagle Nest, one could go to Taos a very historic area. The neat Rio Grande Gorge Bridge is near Taos as well on the way to Chama. Taos
Taos
Pueblo
Rio Gorge
Ditto
Bridge

Carson National Forest - my only personal experience has been camping by Taos on the Hwy going to Eagle Nest such as La Sombra 8 miles east of Taos along US Highway 64 at 7,800 ft. elevation or Capulin & Las Petacas. One of these can serve as a base to visiting Taos. Find near Taos

No personal Photos, we were at these places PDC or Pre-Dital Camera.

I only did a drive by Red River from Taos to Eagle Nest once.
However, I see there are several Carson Nat'l Campgrounds near Red River, such as Fawn Lakes campground meanders up a hillside with several sites featuring stone terracing under a mixture of Ponderosa
pine, aspen, fir and spruce. It is convenient to State Rt. 38
and well situated for day trips on the Enchanted Circle and the
town of Red River. The Red River is across the road from
campground.

Also June Bug campground, elevation 8,500 ft. The campground stretches along the fast-flowing Red River withseveral waterfront sites. It is convenient to State Rt. 38 and well situated for day trips on the Enchanted Circle and the town of Red River. The sound of the Red River can be heard throughout the campground. Sites 9 through 12 are very rocky making it a challenge for tent campers to find a smooth spot. The campground is dominated by mature spruce with a mixture of cottonwoods, fir and conifers. This is bear country; practice safe food storage techniques. Both sound neat, see more info at this link.
Campgrounds

Columbine Campground is near Questa on the road to Red River, take State Rt. 38 east 3.9 miles to campground. The elevation is 7,900 ft. The campground is composed of two loops. One very small loop has
all open sites and is nice for large gatherings. The other is a
large long loop among pine, spruce and some aspen that follows
Columbine Creek. The sound of the creek can be heard throughout
the campground. This is bear country; practice safe food storage
techniques.

Elephant Rock campground stretches out along the Red River with a lot of waterfront sites. It is convenient to State Rt. 38 and day trips
on the Enchanted Circle and the town of Red River. The sound of
the river can be heard throughout the campground. Ponderosa pine
dominates the campground with a mixture of fir and spruce. The
understory is grass and open which limits privacy between sites.
The nearby Fawn Lake (3 acres) offers fishing only. Sites 8
through 10 are tent only. This is bear country; practice safe
food protection techniques. It is west of Red River. Campgrounds

If you are looking for an RV Resort type campground, I can not help on those. I try to stay away from those. Only as a last resort, ha! This site has reviews of both kinds near Red River. Reviews
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Taos
Near Costilla, NM
Ojo Caliente Resort & Spa - RV Park

There are all kinds of places to find a cool spot to camp in New Mexico and on up into Colorado:
San Juans

San Juan Public Lands

Sangres

New Mexico Sangres de Cristo

The Sangre de Cristos Mountains

Ridgway State Park

The Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad was originally constructed in 1880 as part of the Rio Grande's San Juan Extension, which served the silver mining district of the San Juan mountains in southwestern Colorado. Like all of the Rio Grande at the time, it was built to a gauge of 3 feet between the rails, instead of the more common 4 feet, 8-1/2 inches that became standard in the United States. The inability to interchange cars with other railroads led the Rio Grande to begin converting its tracks to standard gauge in 1890. Railroad

We have spent more time at Heron Lake State Park near Chama, NM going back several years in the summers. We did have a canoe and enjoyed canoeing on it. Chama is a neat place with a very nice steam train ride up into Colorado. The Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad. Chama would be about 95 miles from Taos. It is a very neat drive between Taos & Chama. State Park also Heron
Chama Area
Tierra Wools of Los Ojos near the turn off to Heron Lake. Wool Artisans
Tierra Amarilla

Take SR 17 out of Chama towards Antonito, CO at about 4.6 miles from the state line take a forest road on the left. There should be a forest service campground and perhaps disperse camping as well if my memory is correct. There is a small lake in there as well. Very pretty country, much higher area than Heron Lake. This would be about 12 or 13 miles from the Depot in Chama. This will be in the Cumbres Pass area 10,022'. It will be cooler at night as well as in the day.

At Chama one is not far from the Jicarilla Apache Nation (Pronounced hek-a-REH-ya). Jicarilla

Abiquiu Lake -US Army Corps of Engineers campground, we have driven by but not stopped, they say it has excellent facilities surrounded by red sandstone cliffs and mesas of "O´Keefe Country." Lake Abiquiu

Echo Amphitheater - Natural rock formation is nearby with a campground as well. Close to Ghost Ranch & the Ghost Ranch Piedra Lumbre Education and Visitor Center, located on U.S. Highway 84 just one mile north of the main Ghost Ranch entrance, has exhibits and a gift shop. A very nice museum in "O´Keefe Country." Ghost Ranch also has camping. Ghost Ranch
Echo

Navajo Lake State Park at Navajo Lake near Farmington,New Mexico & also in Colorado.

Area around Creed, CO is, near the head waters of the Rio Grande River. Creede

Cimarron Canyon State Park is three miles east of Eagle Nest along US 64. Cimarron

Eagle Nest is a neat area as well. It would be about a 60 mile drive from Raton to Eagle Nest (a neat little town) to see Cimarron Canyon SP. You would be driving along or in the Cimarron Canyon much of the way. The village of Cimarron is a neat historic place. Village
Colfax
Cimarron
If you do make it to the Eagle Nest Area, be sure to see the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, one of the first Memorials of its kind in the United States dedicated to Vietnam Veterans. A very moving place.
Memorial

By driving 30 miles from Eagle Nest, one could go to Taos a very historic area. The neat Rio Grande Gorge Bridge is near Taos as well on the way to Chama. Taos
Taos
Pueblo
Rio Gorge
Ditto
Bridge

A Veterinarian in Raton told us to drive SR476 to see wildlife. It was fun. We saw deer, elk, turkeys and a bear.

We also did a day trip to see Capulin Volcano National Monument from Raton area. Cone

When we woke up to snow one morning in June at Sugarite Canyon State Park, we also drove over to see Bent's Old Fort National Historic Site in La Junta, CO to find a warmer area for the day. Bent's Fort Both were neat to see, but Capulin was the neatest. But our young children at the time liked Bent's Old Fort. Capulin seems to be closer to Raton. We also did a drive to the Maxwell National Wildlife Refuge. But this would be better in winter to see more birds. Refuge
Maxwell
We made thes day trips from Sugarite State Park near Raton. Sugarite

We spent a few days in the Telluride area of Colorado, camping at a National Forest Campground on the Dolores River. It must have been West Dolores Campground.

On our way to Creede from the north via Hwy 149, we stayed over night at Silver Thread Campground along the Rio Grande. Camping A very lovely area.

We then spend a night at the Great Sand Dunes Nat'l Park which has the tallest sand dunes in North America at the Park's campground. Pinyon Flats Campground

Fenton Lake State Park is a small out to the way Park surrounded by beautiful ponderosa pine forests. We camped there for 2 or 3 once, a very nice place. Fenton

Carson National Forest - my only personal experience has been camping up by Taos on the Hwy going to Eagle Nest such as La Sombra 8 miles east of Taos along US Highway 64 at 7,800 ft. elevation or Capulin & Las Petacas. One of these can serve as a base to visiting Taos. Find near Taos

No personal Photos, we were at these places PDC or Pre-Dital Camera.

Santa Fe Museums & Art:
The Georgia O’Keeffe Museum opened to the public in July 1997, eleven years after the death of the artist. O'Keeffe

The Wheelwright Museum of the American Indian. Wheel Wright

New Mexico Museum of Art. NMMoA
What's There. Collections

Museum of New Mexico: Four Museums in Santa Fe, the List. Museum/NM
Museum of NM

Visual art and galleries: There are many Galleries around town, especially the Plaza area. The town and the surrounding areas have a high concentration of artists. They have come over the decades to capture on canvas and in other media the natural beauty of the landscape, the flora and the fauna. Canyon Road/ETC

Handmade Indian art at the Portal of the Governor’s Palace. NativeAmerican

New Mexico State Capitol Building can be toured, kind of neat. Nick Named the "Round House". The Capitol is located at the corner of
Old Santa Fe Trail and Paseo de Peralta. Tour

Bandelier National Monument would be a nice place to visit near Los Alamos and not far from Santa Fe. It was a pleasent campground when we stayed there as well.
Monument

The New Mexico Rail Runner Express, train service to Downtown Albuquerque and other communities. One could also go see the sights there via RailRunner .

As for food, I am not too familar with restaurants in Santa Fe, BUT we have enjoyed some very good food off of "push" carts or I should say street vendors around the Plaza. Not sure if they were actually a push cart or just carts of some kind if not just stands. It has been a while since we have gone. One item was corn on the cob, rosted. Also Bar-B-Que, if I remember correctly and some Mexican food as well.

There are some nice places in the Gila Nat'l Forest by Silver City, NM
Gila

Other New Mexico Nat'l Forests
Carson
Santa Fe
Cibola


The closes place to escape the heat for us, and maybe for you as well would be Lincoln Nat'l Forest Lincoln

We did a quick outing in the Scamp the first week of May 2009, stayed 3 nights up in the Cloudcroft area at a Forest Campground.
It was a shake down cruise to see what we needed but didn't remember to pack along. There were a few things. It was great up there,
almost the whole campground to ourselves. So nice and cool. The campground was at 9,000 feet. Our Stay

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I left the hot & humid Gulf Coast of Texas in Aug. 1971 for the high & dry New Mexico desert. We are cought in a high pressure over us with triple diget tempts for a few days, but up at Cloudcroft 10 day forecast and Chama 10 Day Forecast and Eagle Nest 10 Day Forecast

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I've been on the Oregon coast since mid May, From Seaside to Newport, I have yet to see the temperature go above 65. Bruce...


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    wow great post, Canuckians


    we will be referring to that


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    I want to check out Taos


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    You could always come to the San Joaquin Valley, Fresno, Ca area. It's only 97 today, but I'm sure it's headed north by end of the week or so, to around 103. Still not too bad. Remember, it's a dry heat, 25% or so humidity.





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    South Fork, CO is where some Texans go in the summer. We were there last July and weather was great. It is around 7500ft so cool at night and warm in the daytime.

    Enjoy where ever you end up.

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    TheCanuckian wrote:

    Come on up to Mooers Forks, NY. 5 miles from the Canadian Border, 45 miles from Montreal. Weather at this time of year is in the high 70's, low 60's at night. Best climate in all of the US of A.


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    Wow!! Desert Hawk, are you Rand or McNally? LOL.
    Yhats very nice of you to post that much info.
    Just come to Wisconsin, we need the money.
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