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Topic: how much weight are you pulling behind your 5er?

Posted By: wing-shooter on 01/08/11 05:44pm

for those of you that are towing something behind your 5er (triple tow - double tow?), how much weight are you towing?

Reason I ask, I HAD a 26' 5er and was towing a double jetski trailer behind it (Ford f350 tv) - did just fine. I sold the 5er because we bought a wakeboad boat that weighs #5400. I figured there was no way I could tow that behind the small 5er.

BUT, now we are looking for another trailer, was thinking travel trailer and using 2 tow vehicles - what a pain. I'm kicking around the idea of another 5er, but a bit bigger and going with a heavy duty custom hitch (on 5er). I have enough truck, but how much is too much? I'm concerned about the strain on the 5er.


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Posted By: Sailbad on 01/08/11 07:20pm

The first question is what is the gross combined weight rating of your truck? Then the second is can the 5er hitch handle the additional weight being pulled.
As far as a TT and a 2nd trailer. That won't work in a lot of states. While they allow doubles, the first trailer must be a 5er hitch not a ball hitch.


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Posted By: wing-shooter on 01/08/11 08:14pm

Not thinking about towing double with a TT, rather using two tow vehicles - one for boat and one for tt. As far as combined gross towing with the Ford, I would be fine.

My concern is attaching #5k (boat) to a 5er and the strain it will put on it.


Posted By: netjam on 01/08/11 08:18pm

Look to trailer manufactures for an answer. There is no trailer that I know of that would handle 5000# I have a strong framed trailer (DRV Suite) and with the optional trailer hitch installed DRV would allow towing of only 3000# with a max tongue wt of 300# Lots double tow but my guess is that the trailer frames would not be up to the challenge you want to give them.


Posted By: lc51willy on 01/08/11 08:35pm

In my picture the truck can pull 35,000lbs. 5er, cargo trailer behind it with Honda car in side all three under 28,000lbs works for us.


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Posted By: RAS43 on 01/08/11 09:22pm

I tow 2800lbs of boat/trailer behind my Hitchhiker 5th wheel. Pin weight is 300lbs, which is less then the rating of 400lbs by Hitchhiker. No issues with towing and all axle weights are within specs as is combined weight.


Posted By: Martyn on 01/08/11 09:25pm

RAS43 wrote:

I tow 2800lbs of boat/trailer behind my Hitchhiker 5th wheel. Pin weight is 300lbs, which is less then the rating of 400lbs by Hitchhiker. No issues with towing and all axle weights are within specs as is combined weight.


Ditto here - but my 5er is a Coachmen.


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Posted By: Bionic Man on 01/08/11 10:20pm

I pull my 21' Crownline behind my 5er. My boat weighs 5060 pounds with about 1/3 tank of fuel. With all my gear and full fuel (how I usually pull), I'm sure I'm around the 5500 pounds you state.

There is a welding shop up in Loveland that can do a hitch for you. He did mine on my 5er when I bought it new back in 2002.


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Posted By: JIMNLIN on 01/09/11 05:26am

I double towed with a 3500 lb fishin' boat behind a '84 model 26' 5er for eight years. Its common in the summer months around here to see a 5th wheel pulling a nice size ski boat with a set of PWCs on a trailer behind the big boat for a three trailer tripple tow.

Ditto a professional weld shop that understands modifying structures/trailer framnes/truck frames for added strengh and pulling weight issues.


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Posted By: tnance on 01/09/11 06:30am

netjam wrote:

Look to trailer manufactures for an answer. There is no trailer that I know of that would handle 5000# I have a strong framed trailer (DRV Suite) and with the optional trailer hitch installed DRV would allow towing of only 3000# with a max tongue wt of 300# Lots double tow but my guess is that the trailer frames would not be up to the challenge you want to give them.


An option for Teton trailers was a rear hitch rated at 6,000 lbs. I know of many who tow full size pickups and cars.

I built my own hitch, (10,000 lbs rating). No strain pulling my 3,500 lb Jeep. At full gross of 36,000 lbs I am still 44,000 lbs under my GCWR.

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Posted By: Delaine and Lindy on 01/09/11 08:21am

I think a lot depends on what size Truck you have. With our Truck, which is a Freightliner M2 weight isn't a issue (our total weight is 34,040 lbs). We double tow a Chevy HHR, our hitch capacity is 3,000 lbs and 300 lb tongue weight. We have towed thru the Colorado Rockies this past summer 6,000 mile and a total of over 10,000 miles and have had no issues. I also think double towing isn't for everyone. But I think if you have the ability and the proper equipment double towing want be a issue.

However I do think there are some double towing and don't the proper equipment. There is a person I seen yesterday who is towing a 16' steel car hauler, which is hauling three Motorcyles, one a trike and a 34' 5th wheel being towed with a F-250 SRW and no brakes on the Car hauler???? I know of many who are towing Jeeps and other small type car and are having no issues. Good Luck on you decision.


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Posted By: SoCalDesertRider on 01/09/11 08:30am

Growing up, pop pulled the ski boat to the river with his 3/4-ton pickup with a truck camper loaded in the truck bed. I pulled my various trailers with desert toys (bikes, atvs, buggy, 4x4) with my one-ton truck and a truck camper loaded in the truck bed. Truck campers are perfect for towing boats or other vehicles and eliminate all the confusion of what's legal, overall length, trailer frame strength, backing up the combination, etc etc of double towing.

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Posted By: Al B on 01/09/11 08:40am

My boat loaded is around 2800lbs, I would not hesitate to jump up to 5000lb boat to replace it. I would be sure my hitches could handle the weight tho.


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Posted By: sailor53 on 01/09/11 10:32am

wing-shooter wrote:

I'm concerned about the strain on the 5er.


I believe that is is a very valid concern. With all the posts on here speaking of the issues owners are having with there frames and cracking in their fiberglass, I wouldn't want to add to the stress. As someone else said, would you be exceeding the CGVWR of your truck with the setup? With the 5400# you spoke of along with a 12,000# plus 5'er, I would think you would exceed this very quickly with anything smaller than a 450 or 4500.

Many double-tow thousands of miles without problems, but that doesn't mean you wont. As a retired commercial OTR truck driver with a double/triple endorsement on my CDL, I wouldn't even think of trying it. JMHO

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Posted By: wing-shooter on 01/09/11 02:43pm

I've never been the guy that pushes the limits of GVWR of truck and trailer. However though, I've been accused of overkill many times. Maybe I look for a motorhome - but I seem to remember that some class C units aren't even rated for towing #5k...


Posted By: leghorn204 on 01/09/11 02:52pm

I tow combined weight just over 20K lbs. (see profile) The boat and trailer are 2100lbs. No problem at all, don't even notice the boat. Your main issue will be hitch on the 5th. 5400lbs is a lot of weight for most 5ers. Find a good frame shop that has the engineering capability to strengthen the 5er frame so it handle 6500 or 7000lbs under tow.


Posted By: SoCalDesertRider on 01/09/11 04:26pm

The E450 motorhome chassis are capable of towing plenty of weight. The problem is the rear frame extension, which is done by the motorhome manufacturer. Sometimes they build them just barely strong enough to hold up the coach body. You'll have to check each manufacturer's individual ratings. A shorter motorhome will have less rear frame extension than a longer one, so I would look first at the short ones.


Posted By: Ready2BRetired on 01/09/11 04:39pm

Another thing to consider is the pin box weight rating on the trailer. My suites is rated at 21k, my trailer is 17500 + - the factory trailer hitch is rated at 3000 so anything over that for me would be close.


Posted By: NEVERSWEAT7 on 01/09/11 04:56pm

I double tow as many do. The Jeep is towed weight. Hitch is HD rated but I dont carry weight on it. I can, and would if warranted but right now, I used it to pull Jeep at 4800 lbs. Truck is well under it gross, as is the hitch in truck.


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Posted By: myboys on 01/09/11 05:48pm

I pull with a 2003 6.6 Duramax. Trailer is 30' Wildcat, with 2 slides...probably around 12K..double tow a utility trailer with 2 quads...or a jeep wrangler...jeep is more, about 3K, maybe over what the weight police would like, but works great. Just got back from the weekend at Ocotilo, took the jeep, drive was great. Figure total weight around 24-25K, never in a hurry, never follow close, always make good time!






Posted By: Al B on 01/10/11 07:10pm

Very good point!

Ready2BRetired wrote:

Another thing to consider is the pin box weight rating on the trailer. My suites is rated at 21k, my trailer is 17500 + - the factory trailer hitch is rated at 3000 so anything over that for me would be close.



Posted By: Mile High on 01/10/11 09:11pm

Mine was about 4,500 lbs. I should have upgraded to the 18K hitch which would have covered it, but I never did.

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Posted By: wing-shooter on 01/11/11 08:39am

Mile High wrote:

Mine was about 4,500 lbs. I should have upgraded to the 18K hitch which would have covered it, but I never did.

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Very nice setup! Great mods too.. Where did you get your bumper hitch on the 5er done?


Posted By: Bionic Man on 01/12/11 08:27am

I think the place in Loveland is Cowboy welding. The same shop that did mine 9 years ago.

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Posted By: Mile High on 01/12/11 12:32am

wing-shooter wrote:

Very nice setup! Great mods too.. Where did you get your bumper hitch on the 5er done?
Thanks Shooter - Hitch was custom made at a small weld shop in Loveland on the south side, but I can't remember the name now.


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