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SJ-Chris

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IAMICHABOD wrote:

Hoerschel wrote:

While checking the interior of my 2015 Majestic 28a last week I heard beeping and discovered it was my dual carbon monoxide / propane gas alarm. Upon closer inspection, the flashing lights indicated the unit had reached the end of its useful life and needed replacing. An inscription on the face plate also directed the device be replaced after 5 years of service. Just an FYI for other former rental owners to be aware. Cost to replace is appproximately $75. I bought mine online through Camping World with a $15 coupon.

I had the same thing happen to mine,my RV was a bit over 4 years old when I purchased it,The propane detector failed about a year after my purchase, it was just a bit over 6 years old according to the MFG Date.

I replaced it and then just a few months ago I hear that same beep again,checked and sure enough it was my Propane alarm failure beep and flashing light.

I pulled it out and checked the MFG Date,it was 5 years and 2 months old,talk about planned failure.

I also replaced mine from Camping World.For me I went to the store and checked it before I bought it,its MFG Date was only 1 month old,I suggest checking that to make sure that you didn't get a old one.

A link to the one you bought might be very helpful to other owners of a Majestic 28A. Thanks for coming back and alerting others of this!


I had the same issue with one of my two 2015 Majestic 28a units (beeping detector)... I decided to replace the propane and carbon detector on both my units because they clearly state that they are only good for 5 years.

Important to note: There are different form factors (sizes) for different 28a units. One of my detectors was basically square, while the other was a long rectangle.

If you have a 2015 or older cruise america unit you should definitely pull the detector and look at the date and replace as necessary. That detector is a serious safety device you don't want to mess around with.

Happy Camping!
Chris


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Own two 2015 Thor Majestic 28a Class C RVs

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Sullyd61 wrote:

Driving to VA. To pickup 28a inspection went well ,1 minor issue shower door rollers out of track. Anyone have any problem receiving title from CA they say 30 -45 days (why so long?) they give you a Temp plate But my state doesn’t recognize Temp plates (MA) . Hopefully all goes well!


I think it took around 45 days to get my title.

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*** Power Surge Protection ***

I hear a lot of people who encourage buying/using a surge protector when plugged in at campgrounds. Cost ~$200. I suspect that most people do NOT have/use surge protectors, but that is just based on my observations.

What I hardly ever hear is people talking about damage to their electrical system due to an electrical surge. So it makes me wonder if it is really a big issue or not.

Specifically, as it pertains to Cruise America former rental units....I wonder something... Cruise America sends out 1000s and 1000s of renters every year and NOT ONE of them has a surge protector! Why not? Is it because in reality they aren't needed? Do you think Cruise America has their RVs built with some sort of built-in surge protection?? Do GFCI circuits protect against surges?? Just want to hear the thoughts of other CA formal rental owners...

Is there a single Former Rental unit Owner out there who, without using a surge protector, has had a power surge that damaged their RV's electrical system/components?

Honestly, I don't even mind buying one and using one for myself. BUT, I often times let others (family/etc) use my Majestics and I know they will either forget to use it, or lose it, etc.

Thoughts?
-Chris


Surge protection is fine BUT you are not protected from "brown outs" which is low voltage. The damage done by undervoltage can be considerable.
I brought and fitted a Progressive Industries EMS-HW30C (or EMS-HW50C for 50 A supplies) Not cheap but peace of mind should say the fridge get fried or anything else. I fitted it in our Rv between the shore supply and main panel and this also proteceted me against a generator fault.
Surge Protection: 3-Mode / 1,790J / 44,000A. Ratings: 30A / 120V / 3,600W. Includes 14' Data Cable
Open Ground, Open Neutral and Reverse Polarity detection and protection, Over/Under voltage Protection, Accidental 240V Protection and A/C Frequency Protection
Miswired pedestal indication and surge failure indicator; Time Delay (136 seconds)
Remote Scrolling Digital Display scrolls continuously through the power source information
One time it picked up that the campsite socket did not have correct earth protection, which the owner then called in an electrician to
fix.
If you can wire a plug then you can fit this yourself. Just cut the main supply cable going into the main panel and insert this unit [emoticon]


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cencerrita wrote:

SJ-Chris wrote:

*** Power Surge Protection ***

I hear a lot of people who encourage buying/using a surge protector when plugged in at campgrounds. Cost ~$200. I suspect that most people do NOT have/use surge protectors, but that is just based on my observations.

What I hardly ever hear is people talking about damage to their electrical system due to an electrical surge. So it makes me wonder if it is really a big issue or not.

Specifically, as it pertains to Cruise America former rental units....I wonder something... Cruise America sends out 1000s and 1000s of renters every year and NOT ONE of them has a surge protector! Why not? Is it because in reality they aren't needed? Do you think Cruise America has their RVs built with some sort of built-in surge protection?? Do GFCI circuits protect against surges?? Just want to hear the thoughts of other CA formal rental owners...

Is there a single Former Rental unit Owner out there who, without using a surge protector, has had a power surge that damaged their RV's electrical system/components?

Honestly, I don't even mind buying one and using one for myself. BUT, I often times let others (family/etc) use my Majestics and I know they will either forget to use it, or lose it, etc.

Thoughts?
-Chris


Surge protection is fine BUT you are not protected from "brown outs" which is low voltage. The damage done by undervoltage can be considerable.
I brought and fitted a Progressive Industries EMS-HW30C (or EMS-HW50C for 50 A supplies) Not cheap but peace of mind should say the fridge get fried or anything else. I fitted it in our Rv between the shore supply and main panel and this also proteceted me against a generator fault.
Surge Protection: 3-Mode / 1,790J / 44,000A. Ratings: 30A / 120V / 3,600W. Includes 14' Data Cable
Open Ground, Open Neutral and Reverse Polarity detection and protection, Over/Under voltage Protection, Accidental 240V Protection and A/C Frequency Protection
Miswired pedestal indication and surge failure indicator; Time Delay (136 seconds)
Remote Scrolling Digital Display scrolls continuously through the power source information
One time it picked up that the campsite socket did not have correct earth protection, which the owner then called in an electrician to
fix.
If you can wire a plug then you can fit this yourself. Just cut the main supply cable going into the main panel and insert this unit [emoticon]


Good suggestion (hardwiring it). That way, it will be used 100% of the time (even by inexperienced or careless users) and it also won't get stolen or lost.

I see this one on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/PROGRESSIVE-INDUSTRIES-HW30C-Hardwired-Electrical/dp/B004A32CGI/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=30%2Bamp%2Bpower%2Bmanagement%2BRV&qid=1614068354&sr=8-1&th=1
Looks like it has a built in display. Perhaps this could be wired in the rear of the compartment that houses the shore power plug and generator junction box. Then every time you plug in you could just glance into that compartment and see the readout and make sure it says all is good (E0)...

Question: From reading the description on Amazon, it looks like if it detects over or under voltage it will shut off until the power is once again within the proper range. But what about other problems that it detects?? (like reverse polarity or an open ground) Does it still allow power into your rig? Or does it act as a circuit breaker and not allow the power to pass??

What happens if there is a surge? Does it shut down?

For installation, Can you simply cut the power cord and splice in this controller? Seems pretty simple actually...

-Chris

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Cruise America trickle charger specs....in case anyone has wondered...

CA has these trickle charger solar panels usually mounted on top of the roof AC unit. I have two Majestic 28a units that I bought from Cruise America. On one of them, the solar trickle charger works. On the other one, it doesn't (it has been cut/destroyed).

Side note: I was told by the sales rep that when they are refurbishing the units prior to selling them, they usually cut the solar line and also the backup sensors built into the bumper. I was told they do this because it is faster for them to complete the exterior refurbishment process. It is a shame that they do that as those would be nice features. Regarding the solar trickle charger, I was told that sometimes they cut them sometimes they don't. On one of my units, it works as expected. I sure do like the fact that my coach batteries are always getting trickled while in storage (....I HATE dead/low batteries!). On one of my other units, the trickle solar has been disconnected/destroyed. I removed it today as part of a 500w solar install. In case any of you are curious (...I was), here is what that panel is doing for you if you happen to have one that works....

[image]

Looks like it would provide maybe 2-4 amp hours of charging per day. I have a battery monitor in my RV and I see that there is about .12 amps leaking even when I have everything off (...I know about half of that is due to the propane/carbon monoxide detector). So that means that in a day's time it will leak about 2.5AH. So the trickle charger is just enough to combat that, assuming you've got some sunshine.

Soon both of my RVs will have solar. I just installed two 250w panels today. Got them from Santan Solar in Arizona for $35/panel [emoticon] Hope to finish up the wiring in the next few days.

[image]

Happy Camping!
Chris

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SJ-Chris,I hard wired the Progressive HW30C I found that with the remote readout in the place, I put it inside my electrical bay, I could see the read out while hooking up,on the remote readout you also have a switch to by pass the unit and still get power.
[image][image]


As for what it detects and what it does This manual will tell you. It will shut down then the read out will tell you what happened on the read out,the codes are printed on the front of the unit and it comes with a handy card which is good for me because the unit is placed in the rear of my electrical bay.
[image]
For installation it is really simple,I did it myself following This video

Mine has shut down when there was low voltage,one time last summer when a lot of other RVs had their A/C on then the power went out,when it came back on there was a power surge also picked up on the EMS,my neighbor in the next site was not so lucky,he lost his A/C and microwave.


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IAMICHABOD wrote:

Hoerschel wrote:

While checking the interior of my 2015 Majestic 28a last week I heard beeping and discovered it was my dual carbon monoxide / propane gas alarm. Upon closer inspection, the flashing lights indicated the unit had reached the end of its useful life and needed replacing. An inscription on the face plate also directed the device be replaced after 5 years of service. Just an FYI for other former rental owners to be aware. Cost to replace is appproximately $75. I bought mine online through Camping World with a $15 coupon.

I had the same thing happen to mine,my RV was a bit over 4 years old when I purchased it,The propane detector failed about a year after my purchase, it was just a bit over 6 years old according to the MFG Date.

I replaced it and then just a few months ago I hear that same beep again,checked and sure enough it was my Propane alarm failure beep and flashing light.

I pulled it out and checked the MFG Date,it was 5 years and 2 months old,talk about planned failure.

I also replaced mine from Camping World.For me I went to the store and checked it before I bought it,its MFG Date was only 1 month old,I suggest checking that to make sure that you didn't get a old one.

A link to the one you bought might be very helpful to other owners of a Majestic 28A. Thanks for coming back and alerting others of this!


Interestingly, information on the front panel of my new Safe-T-Alert detector specifically states "Replace by 60 months after retail sale date." No manufacturing date is supplied. So apparently the onus is on the buyer (me) to print the date from my receipt on the faceplate with an indelible marker. I'm guessing that they don't expect the fungible components of the detector to begin deteriorating until power is supplied!(?)
Attempts to reach the company for clarification via the printed 800 number have been unsuccessful. The office is closed due to COVID and they are working remotely.

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Hoerschel wrote:

Interestingly, information on the front panel of my new Safe-T-Alert detector specifically states "Replace by 60 months after retail sale date." No manufacturing date is supplied. So apparently the onus is on the buyer (me) to print the date from my receipt on the faceplate with an indelible marker. I'm guessing that they don't expect the fungible components of the detector to begin deteriorating until power is supplied!(?)
Attempts to reach the company for clarification via the printed 800 number have been unsuccessful. The office is closed due to COVID and they are working remotely.


That is interesting,my new Safe-T-Alert has the MFG Date stamped on the back side just as the one that I replaced that was a bit over 5 years old according to the MFG date that was stamped on the backside of the old unit.Here is the new one.
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The original one that was in the RV when I bought it had a MFG Date that was over 6 years old when it failed.

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Safe-T-Alert... I only buy these from RV dealer where I can take it out of the package look at the back at the manufacturing date. That is because last one I bought must have sat on someone's shelf or warehouse for about a year.

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Whelp I may be joining your ranks, if all goes well I will be looking over a Thor Majestic 23A from Cruise America. I am a first timer and am new to owning an RV. These rental models really appealed to us with their simplicity. I felt like it would be a good fit for us with our limited RV'ing knowledge. I did RV as a kid with my parents but now its time for me to do the same with our children. I gotta say thank you guys for all the good information in here. I've been reading over all the posts in here to help calm my nerves. Man buying an RV feels alot like sipping from a fire hose. So much information and opinions. Its hard to weed through it all. Wish me luck, any last minute advice before I hopefully pull the trigger?

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