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Hello,

I've just joined the forum and have a bit of a Newbie question

We currently own a 2007 Arctic Fox 25P. Bought the trailer to live and work in through the winter and it works excellent even through last year's cold Canadian winter - it stays in one spot through the whole winter as my job location does not change.

In the summer we find the trailer heavy and cumbersome for pulling around on camping trips and holidays. It weighs in at around 8500lbs fully loaded with fluids and gear and is a hair over 26 feet bumper to hitch. We pull it with a 2005 Ford F250 diesel.

Because of this we are considering trading down to a smaller 4 season unit. A few models on the plate so far; Arctic Fox/Nash 22 series, Creek Side 18CK and a few others. These range from 4500 - 5100lbs dry verses the 25P's 6900lb dry weight.

So here's my question. Trailer length aside, what has more impact on towing: weight or frontal area (wind resistance)? For instance the Arctic Fox 25P and 22G have nearly the same frontal area but the 22G is nearly 2000lbs lighter. So will the 22G tow significantly better? Or is the old Ford still going to struggle up a grade?

I don't want to trade down the 25p for a model that is 2000lbs lighter but feels nearly the same when pulling!

Appreciate the feedback from those who are surely more experienced towing than myself!

Cheers.

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We have a 2008 F250 diesel pulling a 26' 6K lb. trailer. The truck rarely works hard unless the grade is extreme (greater than 6%). (Our max towing is 12.5K lb.) However, the truck pulled a 26' 6K lb. boat much much easier than it does the 6K lb. trailer. With the boat, we also worried less about headwinds, crosswinds, and passing trucks. So, I think the size of the trailer and it's frontage has a much greater effect.

I would rather pull a 9K lb. boat than a 9K lb. trailer. But, I'm sure a 6K lb. trailer is easier on grades than a 9K lb. trailer.


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By "Heavy and Cumbersome" do you mean that the truck has a hard time pulling it, or you just don't like something that "Big" to pull around.

I pull a 33' 5er with an 01 Dodge Cummins 5 sped, it weighs about 11.K to 12K lbs. loaded and i don't have issues.

Either your truck's engine needs some attention, or you transmission needs some attention.


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Wind resistance will be a larger drag on the power and performance of ANY truck than a couple of thousand pounds. The WEIGHT will be most noticeable when pulling away from the curb but at highway speeds it will certainly be the frontal area (and shape) that has the most effect.

If your truck felt heavy and unresponsive with that trailer you might want to look at your hitch rather than the power. You should have had MORE than enough power for the weight but if not hitched with a good weight distributing hitch, properly adjusted it certainly CAN feel like somebody tied you to a tree.


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On the highway, the frontal area will have much more effect on the towing performance than weight will. Going up mountains, the weight will also come into play. That being said, I tow a 10,000lb trailer with my 2002 F250 diesel truck and it has no problems with doing the job. I suspect something must be wrong with your truck, OR your expectations are unrealistic for towing a large, heavy trailer. I don't think going to a little bit smaller, lighter trailer is going to eliminate the feeling you have when towing unless you really go very small and light.
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I am surprised your truck is struggling. My old TT was 30 ft bumper to hitch and weighed 8k lbs loaded. It was on a 10k GVWR frame and sat up very high. I borrowed my Dad's 04 F250 when my 1/2 ton truck was in the shop and we really wanted to go camping. I drove my truck strait from the body shop to the dealer and traded it in on 3/4 ton diesel. All I needed was one drive with the diesel. I know, doesn't help you much, but I am really surprised you are having towing issues with the 6.0.

A little more, we got rid of our big camper mentioned above and couple years later got a 22ft TT. This time is paid for outright and no payments. We really miss the space of the bigger camper. Our current one is everything we NEED, but not nearly as much as we WANT. If it were me, I would have your truck checked out, something seems odd.

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I tow in the mountains and its all about weight. Are you hauling more water than you need? You have a nice trailer, I'd change trucks. Good luck.


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I think in any case you'll notice 2000# difference. But pulling in the flats air resistance is the big player. Where you'll really notice the weight will be pulling mountain grades.

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