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Posted By: Roadhouse777 on 09/13/12 09:24am

Hi Everyone;

I'm just new to the forum but have had a travel trailer for several years.

We have a 2008 Dodge RAM 1500 Quad Cab, 4WD short box with 5.7 HEMI, 545RFE auto trans, towing package & 3.92 axle. We're thinking of upgrading our travel trailer to one where we would be towing about 7800 lbs. Just to make sure the truck was good for it, I called Dodge with the VIN and they told me the truck was only good to tow 5050 lbs! That sounds way too low in my books. I called a couple of dealerships and they just didn't seem to know. One said that Dodge must be right, another said 9200 lbs, the guide on this website says 8500 lbs, and another dealer said 10400 lbs.

This seems crazy to me.....Dodge should have a better explanation. Am I right in thinking that maybe 5050 lbs is for a trailer without load distributing hitch and self contained brakes?

Any perspectives or facts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and cheers,

RH777


Posted By: Tallboy on 09/13/12 09:29am

Dodge has a great online tool to look at towing capacity of their various vehicles. If I plug all your info in, I get 5050lbs. Not sure if that's helpful but when I recently went through a truck shopping process I found this to be very useful in evaluating the RAM trucks I was looking at.

http://www.dodge.com/towing/D/vehicle_to_weight.jsp

* This post was edited 09/13/12 09:36am by Tallboy *


Posted By: popupcamping on 09/13/12 09:52am

you have no workable payload is your problem.

for starters look at your tire label on your door pillar and tells us what your "payload" is.
likely around 1400 lbs. minus people and stuff and options on truck about 600 leaves at best 800 lbs for a trailers TW. this works out to a trailer maxed out with all gear at 6200 lbs. so trailer dry would be in the 5000-5500 range .

* This post was edited 09/13/12 12:55pm by popupcamping *


Posted By: gmcsmoke on 09/13/12 10:06am

Roadhouse777 wrote:

Hi Everyone;

I called Dodge with the VIN and they told me the truck was only good to tow 5050 lbs! That sounds way too low in my books.


You're right what would dodge know.


Posted By: bikendan on 09/13/12 10:21am

i agree with the OP.

with the Hemi, tow package and 3.92 rear end, his truck should have way more tow capacity than 5050lbs.!
someone at the Dodge dealer doesn't know what they're talking about.

heck, a v-6 Explorer has a 5000lbs. tow capacity!

* This post was edited 09/13/12 10:34am by bikendan *


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Posted By: skipnchar on 09/13/12 10:49am

Each truck is differently equipped and those differences make all the difference in tow ratings. If Dodge used your VIN to determine your truck tow rating that would be the most accurate means of determining it. Brochures and advertisments ALWAYS use the maximum possible as the rating they advertise (for obvious reasons) but that does NOT mean that every truck of that year would have anything even CLOSE to that rating.

For what it's worth, maximum trailer size ratings are basically used for warranty purposes so unless you still have a warranty to be concerned with, use the SAFETY related numbers of GVWR and GAWR to determine how much it's possible to tow. YOu would still have the person expectations issue to deal with that relate to performance and reliability but those would be YOUR concerns only with no warranty involved.

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Posted By: Javi1 on 09/13/12 10:52am

Sounds like Dodge is right on the money... them 1/2 tons is built for show not go..


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Posted By: lanerd on 09/13/12 11:21am

Towing capacity in a 1/2 ton is meaningless. It's all about the payload! This is where you need to concentrate your efforts. Finding the "actual" payload capacity of your truck can only be done by weighing it and then subtracting that figure from your GVWR. Then "EVERYTHING" you put in/on it will have to be subtracted from that figure.

Also, remember that an "advertised" dry weight for the trailer and also its tongue weight can be misleading as it doesn't always include everything that's been added to the trailer. Once again, you'll need to weight the trailer and/or tongue to get "actual" weights.

Compare all weights and see if your truck has the payload capacity to pull/haul the trailer of your choice.

This is the dilemma of any one trying to pull a trailer with a 1/2 ton pickup.

Good luck

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Posted By: rockportrocket on 09/13/12 11:33am

Especially the short beds.


Posted By: APT on 09/13/12 11:57am

The tow rating should be in the 8000-9000pounds range for Hemi, tow package (trans cooler), and 3.92 axle. It really is a meaningless number, as you'll likely hit another limit well under 8000 pounds of RV.

This 7800 pound RV, is that GVWR, dry, or an estimated weight? How much does your Tire and Loading sticker on driver's door say you have where mine says 2051?

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What about the receiver limit which should have a sticker similar to mine?

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Those will probably be exceeded on your truck with a family in the cab, some camping gear in the bed, and an 8000 pounds loaded RV.

* This post was edited 09/18/12 10:52am by APT *


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Posted By: popupcamping on 09/13/12 07:22pm

any thoughts op. it is your post


Posted By: stroz4 on 09/13/12 09:35pm

gmcsmoke wrote:

Roadhouse777 wrote:

Hi Everyone;

I called Dodge with the VIN and they told me the truck was only good to tow 5050 lbs! That sounds way too low in my books.


You're right what would dodge know.


Kind of agree.
Always better to go way under weight than over.


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Posted By: pasusan on 09/14/12 04:43am

Looking at the Trailer Life Towing Guide for 2008 the listed tow limits are:

1500 QC Shortbed 4WD 5.7L V-8 8,500 (a,h,t)
1500 QC Shortbed 4WD 5.7L V-8 7,500 (a,h,t)

I don't know the difference between these 2, but it looks like you have at least a 7500 towing capacity. Unless, of course Dodge has different information about your VIN than what you think are your specs.

And as always - you do have to check tongue weight and payload capacity which is usually the determining factor.


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Posted By: Robin'n'Marian on 09/14/12 08:10pm

Javi1 wrote:

Sounds like Dodge is right on the money... them 1/2 tons is built for show not go..


I agree, Dodge would be right. The higher numbers you were given are for the base model reg cab,2WD, long box, etc. An equalizer hitch, etc, just distributes the weight, does not increase what you can tow.

Robin

PS, I spent 30+ years in the industry, I know whereof I speak.


Posted By: Jayco28BHS on 01/15/13 10:43am

Just an observation here, but I used to have a 2005 Dodge 1500 4x4 QC Hemi with 3.55 gears. The Max tow rating was 7500 lbs. Your truck should be able to tow at least that much. I think someone looked at the wrong numbers. What will kill you, as several here have mentioned, is your GVWR and available payload capacity. My 2005 had a whopping 1300 lbs, that was it. We towed that way for several years, and while I was under all the limits, I was over on GVWR of the truck everytime. That got old.

So we upgraded to a 2010 Dodge 2500 4x4 QC Hemi with 3.73 gears. Funny part is the 3/4 ton only had an 8800 lb tow rating with the Hemi. However, it has about 2200 lbs of payload capacity. So we towed with that and it worked great. However, we only tow 4-6 times a year at most and the rest of the time it was my daily driver...at about 12 MPGs city and maybe 15 hwy. Got kind of old after a while....especially at Illinois gas prices ($3.50+ a gallon)

So, I wanted a diesel. Better mileage, more power. Great. Except that if you don't work a diesel, it gets mucked up pretty quick. I know because I used to drive over the road tractor trailers. I knew that if I got a diesel, I would never use it right and probably just kill it due to lack of heavy work.

So, we went with the F150 Ecoboost (see sig). More than adequate tow rating with Max Tow package (11,000 lbs+) and good payload (1807 lbs). And a torque curve that gives me 420 ft lbs at 2500 RPM. MPGs when not towing or hauling are great...I am actually doing better than I thought...checked today and figured that I am at an overall combined of about 17.9 MPGs. And, the fit and finish of this truck is way better than my Dodge...and that is coming from a guy who has owned nothing but Dodge trucks since 2001.

So all that is to say check out the F150 EB. It is a great combination of torque, payload, and MPGs. Do note that I personally would not attempt to pull 11000 pounds with it but our trailer tips the scales at about 6500-7000 lbs loaded for camping and it will handle that easily. Also note I expect MPGs for towing to be about 8-10, as it is with almost all TVs. Have a good one.


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Posted By: wny_pat on 01/15/13 01:56pm

Jayco28BHS wrote:

Just an observation here, but I used to have a 2005 Dodge 1500 4x4 QC Hemi with 3.55 gears. The Max tow rating was 7500 lbs. Your truck should be able to tow at least that much. I think someone looked at the wrong numbers.

But one has to spec the pickup for what one is going to do with it. Take a look at the numbers in this link: Online Towing Guide


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Posted By: wny_pat on 01/15/13 02:04pm

wny_pat wrote:

Jayco28BHS wrote:

Just an observation here, but I used to have a 2005 Dodge 1500 4x4 QC Hemi with 3.55 gears. The Max tow rating was 7500 lbs. Your truck should be able to tow at least that much. I think someone looked at the wrong numbers.

But one has to spec the pickup for what one is going to do with it. Take a look at the numbers in this link: Online Towing Guide
. Even today one can buy a brand new Dodgepickup and get almost the same rating the OP is being told.

Here are two Ram 1500 pickups, same m.y.:
1. Ram 1500, 5.7-liter V8, quad cab, short bed, 2WD, 17-inch wheels, 3.21:1 axle 5,800 lbs towing capacity.

2. Ram 1500, 5.7-liter V8, quad cab, short bed, 2WD, 17-inch wheels, 3.92:1 axle 10,200 lbs towing capacity.

and for 4x4:

1. Ram 1500, 5.7-liter V8, quad cab, short bed, 4WD, 20-inch wheels, 3.55:1 axle 7,450 lbs towing capacity.

2. Ram 1500, 5.7-liter V8, quad cab, short bed, 4WD, 17-inch wheels, 3.92:1 axle 10,000 lbs towing capacity

Which would you pick?

* This post was last edited 01/15/13 02:41pm by wny_pat *


Posted By: TyroneandGladys on 01/15/13 06:37pm

gmcsmoke wrote:

Roadhouse777 wrote:

Hi Everyone;

I called Dodge with the VIN and they told me the truck was only good to tow 5050 lbs! That sounds way too low in my books.


You're right what would dodge know.


Let me get this straight you call the manufacture,not the dealer, you do not like the answer they give you so you want the answer you want to hear from an expert on the forum that knows more than the manufacture.


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Posted By: drae0814 on 01/15/13 11:44pm

I have the same TV as the OP less the 4x4 I pull a 6200lb 31ft TT we keep the TT empty so i can tow the darn thing the wife and i are about 300lb together no kids dogs or bikes just a little wood and some camp gear i was told i could do around 8000lb dont be fooled 6000lb is really about it on most half tons i was suckerd you have found this site now learn from what others will tell you so you can enjoy your RV.


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Posted By: gijoecam on 01/16/13 11:40am

OK, so dumb question: Have you tried looking up your truck in the owner's manual? You can usually find this device in the glove box on the passenger side of the truck. It's a bound stack of papers that generally lists the towing capacities for every combination of cab, bed, engine, trans, and gear ratio they offered that model year.

Start there and see what it says. Don't take anyone else's word for it; not the dealer, not some web forum, not the OEM. Look up the published number in your owner's manual. It's what it's there for.


Posted By: Wills6.4 Hemi on 01/16/13 11:58am

I have a friend with an 08 or 09 and the hemi is alright but the rear coil springs are way to soft and when he hooks up to his landscape trailer it squats severly. that is the weak point IMO of that 1/2 ton. Now the ford 150 with the heavy duty payload pkg rivals my 250 super duty.at present its the most capable 1/2 ton out their. IMO


Posted By: x98grow on 01/16/13 12:25pm

I feel your pain, Roadhouse. I bought an '08 V8 Ram thinking I'd have PLENTY of tow capacity. Come to find out, it had much less than originally thought. On top of that, sorting out questions regarding payload was another challenge. I went with the Trailer Life '08 guide previously referenced. We ended up going with a light weight unit that was a few thousand pounds less than the tow capacity to ensure we'd have no trouble getting over mountain passes & such. Depending on the geography around where you're planning to go & if you're planning on weight distribution, moving closer to your trucks capacity may not be an issue.


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Posted By: Jayco28BHS on 01/16/13 01:14pm

I don't mean to be crazy here, but are you sure it is the HEMI??? I know, is he really asking this question? Yes, because when I research tow ratings for 2008 Dodge 1500 QC 4x4 short bed trucks I see that, when equipped with the 4.7, you have anywhere from 4100-6000 pounds of towing capacity. For the 5.7 Hemi, it is between 7500-8500 pounds. Just a thought, but if you are at 5050 pounds, you might not have what you thought you have...


Posted By: Dandy Dan on 01/16/13 04:56pm

The 3/4 ton Quad Cab is rated for 8900 GVWR.


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Posted By: Racine96 on 09/14/12 10:00pm

I do not know about your tv years but look at this link for 2012. It might give you some idea.

w.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/?section=light


Posted By: Roadhouse777 on 09/17/12 06:21am

Thanks everyone. It's very frustrating. I bought this truck 4 years ago and the sales guy said she was good up to 10,400 lbs. Now I have a bunch of different numbers and things to consider. I'll look at the info on gross weights folks have provided in their posts and go from there. Upgrading the trailer is now on hold.

Thanks again,

RH


Posted By: gcloss on 09/17/12 10:48am

Roadhouse777 wrote:

Thanks everyone. It's very frustrating. I bought this truck 4 years ago and the sales guy said she was good up to 10,400 lbs. Now I have a bunch of different numbers and things to consider. I'll look at the info on gross weights folks have provided in their posts and go from there. Upgrading the trailer is now on hold.

Thanks again,

RH


I have the same exact truck, but a 2007. If you PM me I will email you a comprehesive chart showing every possible combination of 2007 Dodge Rams and their base weights, GVWR, payload, GCWR & Max Trailer Capacity.


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Posted By: mlts22 on 09/17/12 03:33pm

Roadhouse777 wrote:

Thanks everyone. It's very frustrating. I bought this truck 4 years ago and the sales guy said she was good up to 10,400 lbs. Now I have a bunch of different numbers and things to consider. I'll look at the info on gross weights folks have provided in their posts and go from there. Upgrading the trailer is now on hold.

Thanks again,

RH


You are not the only one who fell into that trap. Half tons just don't cut it if you want a decent 5W or TT, no matter what brand of truck.

Next vehicle in my stable is going to either be a MH, or a 3/4 ton.


Posted By: West Coast Canuck on 09/17/12 10:15pm

My 04 is rated with the same pkg you have, it is rated for 8200 lbs, a trailer weighing 7800 lbs is way too close to the rating....you can pull it if it is empty, but start adding cargo and passengers...you will go over, weight and cargo inthe trailer and truck have to be factored in. I hauled a 5500 lb TT trailer, cargo in the bed and 5 passenger excluding myself and I definitely felt it. I wouldn't do it again.


Posted By: Roadhouse777 on 09/19/12 05:41am

WCC.....the 7800 lbs is factoring in our stuff in the trailer, propane & cargo/pax in the truck.

Thanks,

RH


Posted By: proxim2020 on 03/27/13 11:30am

I've gone through the exact same frustration with Dodge with the same truck (2wd). The online towing guide numbers are extremely low. Customer Service is using this same guide when they give you numbers. My guess, it's a lawyer thing. Use the link below. It was finally brought to my attention after going through layers and layers of support at Dodge. It's the official Dodge Body Builder's that you can use as a reference. These are the official weights Dodge used for their trucks.

http://www.dodge.com/bodybuilder/2008/docs/dr/mlup.pdf

Here's what you need to do to get a concrete answer.

1) Go get your truck weighed at a CAT scale fully loaded just as you would for a trip. People, full tank of gas, gear, everything you would put in the truck. Maybe even add a little extra weight to account for the things you didn't think of.

2) Your configuration has a GVWR of 6700. Subtract your CAT scale slip from the GVWR. This is your remaining payload and also max tongue weight. By max I mean "MAX". This is the heaviest possible tongue weight once the trailer is fully loaded. More than this number and you run the risk of breaking something. If you remove or add weight to the truck, adjust this value accordingly.

3) Find your GCWR for your configuration. Since you have the towing package, you'll use the Heavy Duty Cooling column. Take the GCWR and subtract the Cat Scale weight. This is your max trailer weight you can pull.

As long as you don't exceed the GVWR or GCWR, you should be ok. If 8500# ends up being your number then it's doable, but the truck will be huffing and puffing around 65+ mph. If you're a 55-60 mph guy, you should do fine. The right lane will be your best friend when doing grades. You'll definitely know the trailer's back there at that weight.


Posted By: ependydad on 03/27/13 01:28pm

proxim2020 wrote:

I've gone through the exact same frustration with Dodge with the same truck (2wd). The online towing guide numbers are extremely low. Customer Service is using this same guide when they give you numbers. My guess, it's a lawyer thing. Use the link below. It was finally brought to my attention after going through layers and layers of support at Dodge. It's the official Dodge Body Builder's that you can use as a reference. These are the official weights Dodge used for their trucks.

http://www.dodge.com/bodybuilder/2008/docs/dr/mlup.pdf

Here's what you need to do to get a concrete answer.

1) Go get your truck weighed at a CAT scale fully loaded just as you would for a trip. People, full tank of gas, gear, everything you would put in the truck. Maybe even add a little extra weight to account for the things you didn't think of.

2) Your configuration has a GVWR of 6700. Subtract your CAT scale slip from the GVWR. This is your remaining payload and also max tongue weight. By max I mean "MAX". This is the heaviest possible tongue weight once the trailer is fully loaded. More than this number and you run the risk of breaking something. If you remove or add weight to the truck, adjust this value accordingly.

3) Find your GCWR for your configuration. Since you have the towing package, you'll use the Heavy Duty Cooling column. Take the GCWR and subtract the Cat Scale weight. This is your max trailer weight you can pull.

As long as you don't exceed the GVWR or GCWR, you should be ok. If 8500# ends up being your number then it's doable, but the truck will be huffing and puffing around 65+ mph. If you're a 55-60 mph guy, you should do fine. The right lane will be your best friend when doing grades. You'll definitely know the trailer's back there at that weight.


Excellent advice. Just to clarify - the GVWR should come off of a sticker on the door jamb and not an online guide (even the Ram Body Builder Guide).


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Posted By: proxim2020 on 03/28/13 08:14am

Quote:

Excellent advice. Just to clarify - the GVWR should come off of a sticker on the door jamb and not an online guide (even the Ram Body Builder Guide).


Yes, that's good advice also and a safe bet. That slipped my mind. My numbers happen to match the guide, though some trucks may not.


Posted By: beermanjoe on 03/28/13 07:14pm

Look this up. It was my post. 07 Ram Quad Cab 1500 to an 08 Chevy 2500 HD Crew


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Posted By: beermanjoe on 03/28/13 06:29pm

I had a 2007 QC 1500 4x4 Hemi Ram. My TT is 6600 dry. Well over 7000lbs once loaded. We had 2 adults,2 kids,a gas grill and a load of firewood.It was very bouncy. Well I now have a 2008 Chevy 2500 HD crew 4x4.


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