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Turtle n Peeps

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Posted: 03/30/14 11:53pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I would NOT take this thing to Ford.

They will flag it and then from then on they will not warrantee any fuel and maybe any engine or exhaust related work.

Your money, your truck; but no way in hell I would do this.


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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

I would NOT take this thing to Ford.

They will flag it and then from then on they will not warrantee any fuel and maybe any engine or exhaust related work.

Your money, your truck; but no way in hell I would do this.


The problem with not taking it to Ford is that if it does fail later, they'll still be able to tell. One of the first pieces of evidence they check for when there is a fuel sytem problem is urea crystals on the injectors. If you get DEF to the injectors, this is a sure sign of DEF in the fuel system and the warranty is voided anyway.

I think I'll try draining the tank, and replacing the DFCM and filters. before I turn it over to the dealer.


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Posted: 03/31/14 12:04am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

I would NOT take this thing to Ford.


Afraid, at least in this preliminary stage, I agree with this statement.

I just can't imagine, even being DEF, that the amounts you put in, diluted as they would be in the fuel tank, could cause horrible problems as quickly as you caught it.

The drivers mounted, drain-able fuel filter, is there to catch this very problem (at least water in fuel). If you didn't run very long after the light came on, chances are the water is still in the bowl of the fuel filter.

Try the simple steps first.

If those (filter changes, draining fuel tank, lubricity additive) don't work, then Ford is your only real choice.

Console yourself with the fact you've recognized the problem immediately, and are going to take steps to remedy it.

Don't beat yourself up too badly, it has surely happened to others.

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Posted: 03/31/14 02:47am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Keep us updated, please.





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We need someone with some chemistry background. I don't think the problem lies with the water in the DEF. The filters are designed to catch that and the water will settle out of diesel fuel. Insoluble if you will. I don't know much about the urea. I know it is corrosive to common metals, especially aluminum. Is it soluble in diesel? If it is, there is no way a filter is going to catch it. It will not settle out and is blended in with the diesel. This could be equivalent to a viral pandemic to new diesel owners. Makes me nervous now. I don't know of one other single mistake with a new vehicle that will be this costly.

Given the expense however, I would take my chances. It's going to cost you a huge amount anyway, drain all filters, disconnect the fuel line going from first filter to the engine, drain and clean tank, put a good diesel supplement in tank at high concentration, add about 10 gallons of fuel, and pump about half through the in tank pump. Reconnect fuel line and keep fingers crossed. I would try it before I took it to the dealer knowing they are going to charge 12K dollars right off top. I don't have 12 K dollars more to put with a 45K truck.


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Posted: 03/31/14 04:47am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The fact that they look to the injectors for DEF is proof that you are not the only one to do this. Don't beat yourself up too bad, you caught it early and are taking the right steps.


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Posted: 03/31/14 05:11am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Sorry to hear,dont beat yourself up. Things like this do happen,my nephew was filling our boat at marina,put fuel in rod holder instead of gas tank. I know its not the same,but mistakes happen,hopefully it may work out okay for you.

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Posted: 03/31/14 06:27am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I have a 2011 Ford F-350 w/ the 6.7. I have not had any fuel system issues, but have read up on this.

1. If it were my truck, and assuming the engine was running OK when you shut it down... I would drain the fuel tank, clean it out, replace the fuel filters, run fresh fuel w/ a double does of fuel additive. If it runs OK, great. If not, then step two.
2. The other option is to call your insurance company and file a claim. Have it towed in and repaired. It will be 10 - 12k.

I would not take it to an independent shop. These things are too expensive to mess around with, and most shops charge book hours and a simliar rate to the dealers. It won't be much cheaper.

Ford will pull/clean the tank, and will replace the filters, the fuel lines, various sensors, the HPFP, and all injectors. There is a procedure from Ford on what exactly to do in this situation. They will not flag your warranty as you would have had it repaired by them. Your engine is also OK.

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Posted: 03/31/14 06:37am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Why wouldn't this be covered under insurance. It was a simple mistake, no different than any other accident, like driving in to deep of water...

I'd be calling the insurance company, What's the worst they can say? No!

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Posted: 03/31/14 06:46am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Ford have a "specific" service bulletin on this situation.
It starts out something like with 2 procedures..

1-DEF added to fuel and engine NOT started.
2-DEF added to fuel and engine run.

Since you are at #2 will involve replacing pretty much all fuel components, big cost BUT if done at dealer will not affect warranty going forward.

I would see if your insurance will get involved.

Trying to hide it from Ford, (which is tough) could cause loss of entire truck warranty?

Good luck with your insurance.

EDIT
Looks like scottima answered almost same info as I was typing.
This is the advice to follow..

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