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Funny I would coax my 98 F150 to shift into 4th gear by doing the same technique. [emoticon] But if I didn't do that and run the truck in 3rd gear it wouldn't pass a gas station. [emoticon]


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blofgren wrote:


In regards to your trailer brake controller issue, I think you are right that it is an issue with your trailer. My truck recognized the trailer instantly when I plugged it in and the controller worked great. I also like how it automatically disables the back up sensors when connecting the trailer and the "trailer trip recorder" is really cool; it tells exactly the distance towed and the amount of time the trailer has been towed.


I agree.... same truck and mine has worked perfectly since day 1. I REALLY like the factory trailer brake and the way it integrates through the EVIC.

Thanks for the report.... you're making me think I bought too much truck for my measly little 8500lb TT.

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Posted: 05/17/14 06:34pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yes, once it connects, it works wonderfully. Wouldn't surprise me if my pos RV was the problem.

I plan to hook up to a different RV and see if I have any issues. If not, I have narrowed it down to the RV being the problem.


Prev: 2010 Cougar 322QBS (junk)
02 Dodge 2500 4x4 5.9L CTD 3.55
07 Dodge 3500 4x4 SRW Mega 5.9L CTD 3.73
14 Ram 2500 4x4 Crew 6.4L Hemi 4.10
06 Chevy 1500 4x4 E-Cab 3.73 5.3L
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Current: 07 Dodge 1500 5.7L Hemi 3.55 / 2010 Jayco 17z


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How does the 6.4L feel in the heavy 2500? I test drove a F250 with the 6.2L (lower at 385 Hp and 405 lbs torque) and it felt pretty slow. Of course it has a higher 4500 rpm torque peak than the 6.4L 4000 rpms.

After feeling that F250, I'd probably just get a heavy half 5.0L with 2400 lbs payload and save some bucks. Then again, that 6.4L Ram sounds great especially with 4.10 gears. Don't know if I could afford to drive it back and forth to work though. [emoticon] Right now I'm getting around 18.5 mpg with mixed driving to work and back, and it's still eating to much out of my wallet!

My next truck will most likely be a Ram 2500 gasser as I won't own a corrosion prone aluminum truck.[emoticon]


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Mike Up wrote:

How does the 6.4L feel in the heavy 2500? I test drove a F250 with the 6.2L (lower at 385 Hp and 405 lbs torque) and it felt pretty slow. Of course it has a higher 4500 rpm torque peak than the 6.4L 4000 rpms.

After feeling that F250, I'd probably just get a heavy half 5.0L with 2400 lbs payload and save some bucks. Then again, that 6.4L Ram sounds great especially with 4.10 gears. Don't know if I could afford to drive it back and forth to work though. [emoticon] Right now I'm getting around 18.5 mpg with mixed driving to work and back, and it's still eating to much out of my wallet!

My next truck will most likely be a Ram 2500 gasser as I won't own a corrosion prone aluminum truck.[emoticon]

Honestly, it's downright zippy with the 4.10s. It's not great mpg wise though, so don't expect that to be good. It does about 8-10 towing 11,000#, 12 city and 15-16 hwy unloaded.

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Mike Up wrote:

How does the 6.4L feel in the heavy 2500? I test drove a F250 with the 6.2L (lower at 385 Hp and 405 lbs torque) and it felt pretty slow. Of course it has a higher 4500 rpm torque peak than the 6.4L 4000 rpms.

After feeling that F250, I'd probably just get a heavy half 5.0L with 2400 lbs payload and save some bucks. Then again, that 6.4L Ram sounds great especially with 4.10 gears. Don't know if I could afford to drive it back and forth to work though. [emoticon] Right now I'm getting around 18.5 mpg with mixed driving to work and back, and it's still eating to much out of my wallet!

My next truck will most likely be a Ram 2500 gasser as I won't own a corrosion prone aluminum truck.[emoticon]


Keep in mind that the 6.2 with 3.73's has a lower overall ratio in 1st and 2nd gear than the 6.4 with 4:10's. Up to about 30MPH in 1st, the 6.2 effectively has 453 ft-lb of TQ at the crank when comparing overall ratios. A 6.2 with 4.30's would feel like 522 ft-lb at the crank compared to the 6.4/4.10's most of the way through 1st gear. The first real tow test will reveal this. Also, once in 2nd gear the 6.2 would effectively feel like 462 ft-lb at the crank.

The small gap in speed where the 6.2 needs to shift to 2nd (and the 6.4 is still in 1st) is where the HP and TQ of the 6.4 will come into play and should allow it to close the gap.

Also, I suspect your short test drive of the 6.2 gave you the same impression I had initially. The ETC tuning is really lethargic on the 6.2 and it takes a lot of pedal movement to get the throttle plate to open. My old ecoboost would be at full power at about 1/2 throttle while the 6.2 keeps building TQ all the way to the floor. It feels really good now that I am used to the throttle. The shifting characteristics and overall feel of the truck have changed since brand new but I think 90% of it is just me getting used to pushing my foot down a little further.


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Old: 2012 F150 XLT ECO Screw 157" 4x4 3.73LS Max Tow HD Payload, 2171 lb payload
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Also, I suspect your short test drive of the 6.2 gave you the same impression I had initially. The ETC tuning is really lethargic on the 6.2 and it takes a lot of pedal movement to get the throttle plate to open. My old ecoboost would be at full power at about 1/2 throttle while the 6.2 keeps building TQ all the way to the floor. It feels really good now that I am used to the throttle. The shifting characteristics and overall feel of the truck have changed since brand new but I think 90% of it is just me getting used to pushing my foot down a little further.


The 5.0L has a tame throttle tip compared to the recent 2013 Titan and 2014 Suburban I test drove. While these 2 have little action after the first 1/4 to 1/2 of the pedal movement, the 5.0L has increased throttle response all the way to the pedal to the floor.

However the 6.2L in the F250 is significantly detuned from your F150 and the additional 1400 lbs (compared to my truck) of the F250 really sucks away the power of the 6.2L. The 6.2L is detuned to 385 Hp and 405 lbs torque. Even when full pedal was given, it was lackluster. Here's my review here.

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Honestly, it's downright zippy with the 4.10s. It's not great mpg wise though, so don't expect that to be good. It does about 8-10 towing 11,000#, 12 city and 15-16 hwy unloaded.


Wow, was hoping it did better mileage wise. Looks like I'll be sticking to 1/2 ton towable campers unless I come into money to have a dedicated tow vehicle.

Nice to hear that it's got some power with the 4.10s.

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Honestly, it's downright zippy with the 4.10s. It's not great mpg wise though, so don't expect that to be good. It does about 8-10 towing 11,000#, 12 city and 15-16 hwy unloaded.


IB that is not bad mileage with a 4.10 rear axle. Granted you have a much more sophisticated transmission than the 48RE in my 05 3500 diesel, but those mileage figures aren't a lot lower than what I get towing or city driving.

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ib516 wrote:


Honestly, it's downright zippy with the 4.10s. It's not great mpg wise though, so don't expect that to be good. It does about 8-10 towing 11,000#, 12 city and 15-16 hwy unloaded.


IB that is not bad mileage with a 4.10 rear axle. Granted you have a much more sophisticated transmission than the 48RE in my 05 3500 diesel, but those mileage figures aren't a lot lower than what I get towing or city driving.

My 2007 5.9 Cummins/48RE/3.73 would get 10-11 towing the same 5er, 14-15 city, and 19-21 hwy empty. However, diesel fuel is more costly than reg unleaded, so that makes up for some of the difference.

Either way, I'm still happy. The 2014 truck is light years ahead of the 07. Ride, interior quality, fit & finish, and this one will have a working heater when its -40* [emoticon].

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