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Posted: 07/30/14 07:18pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You just know it's not gonna be close!

So which is better? Horsepower or torque lol.
(The answer is both, apparently.)

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Ooohhh Boy... Not this chit again. [emoticon]


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7000 lb trailer. Wonder if they were over payload on the ED? [emoticon]

Wonder what all the "torque fans" are going to say about this? You know; torque is what gets you up the hill the fastest.......bla, bla bla......

I said way back when before this test came out that if I was driving the EB I could drink a beer before the ED got to the top. I was correct. [emoticon]

I would have liked to know the speed of all 3 going up the hill? [emoticon]

BTW at least Ford used identical trailers this time! [emoticon]


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Posted: 07/30/14 08:54pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Nobody ever said torque equals speed. Torque moves a load. HP wins races.
As the load gets heavier, torque gets more and more important.
I don't believe those two trucks were ever supposed to compete against each other. They have totally different markets.


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When is the 5.0L EB coming in the superduty?

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What this tow test showed is how much earlier/sooner diesels make power. The problem is, the VM Motori motor tops out at 240HP, so once the EB get's up there in its HP range (beyond 240hp), it will pass. All towing requires horsepower. It's just that diesels build it up sooner. If you could hitch that 7,000 lbs trailer to a lamborghini aventador or La Ferrari, it would surely pass the F-150 (if it's transmission and remaining drivetrain doesn't shatter from the extra load).

Also, I do believe the VM Motori diesel has quite a bit left in it. It's only boosting 16psi max at stock, while the HD diesels are pushing pressures of around 30psi stock.


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Posted: 07/30/14 11:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Good results for the Ford. I liked where at the beginning of the video they mention that this is the course where they run for the SAE certification. I didn't know Ford had decided to sign on for that.

What were the results of the MPG comparison between the 3 trucks?


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Nobody ever said torque equals speed. Torque moves a load. HP wins races.
As the load gets heavier, torque gets more and more important.
I don't believe those two trucks were ever supposed to compete against each other. They have totally different markets.


Come on Scott it happens on here all the time.
Here is talk about it right here.

Some more talk about torque.
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there has been a great deal of focus on the admittedly anemic 240hp developed by the ram ed, but let's not loose sight of the fact that horsepower ratings sell trucks while torque is what pulls the load. with the ecodiesel & the ecoboost both developing 420 lb/ft of torque they would both be brought to there knees equally under conditions in the review quoted.


There are tons of threads on here where people just don't understand HP is what gets you to the top of the hill first. It has to be, because HP is timed based and torque is not. Many think that a 175/450 12 valve diesel will beat a 285/320 LS motor up a hill with a trailer on the back.

As far as they are not meant to compete against each other......SAY WHAT!
They are both 1500 pickups. They both have very expensive motors in them. They are both VERY expensive 1500 pickups. They are both meant to tow and come with tow packages. The Ford EB is a fuel saver towing rig and so is the Dodge ED. (that is what they are marketed as)

They are in exact direct competition with each other.

Believe me, the mags will do a tow test with these two and a GM. Why? Because they are all in competition with each other. [emoticon] If they do GM better pray that they do the test at low altitude. [emoticon]

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Posted: 07/31/14 09:37am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yawn. The Ford has 85 horsepower more than the Ram. Of course the Ford will win.


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Fast Mopar wrote:

Yawn. The Ford has 85 horsepower more than the Ram. Of course the Ford will win.


Yep, 35% more HP for the EB.


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