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Posted By: coolmom42 on 02/21/16 06:41pm

...new RVs, that is.

I went to the Nashville RV show today. Not with any serious intent to buy, but scoping out the different types/sizes.

I have never in my life seen such a collection of ugly mud-brown cabinetry, dirt-gray floors, and black trim. If I had 10X the money, I wouldn't buy a single one of the new RVs I saw on that floor.

To add insult to injury, most mfrs have used very cool blue-ish toned LED lights, and not nearly enough of them. A very bad combo with the colors inside.

The first one I walked in was a Roadtrek, in which the entire sleeping area was BLACK. It was a dungeon, especially given the poor lighting that was only half turned on.

Don't manufacturers realize that lighter colors would open up the small spaces they are working with?

Many other people were commenting on the dark colors, too.

And don't even get me started on the flashing rope LEDs that also changed color, on the outside of a big 5th wheel. This was the one with a 36" TV outside. I sincerely hope to NEVER be parked near that one.

The cutest thing there was the Little Guy MyPod. Add a screen room, enough space in the vehicle for food & supplies. and a couple could be really comfy.


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Posted By: DutchmenSport on 02/21/16 06:47pm

As someone said on a forum thread a few weeks ago, the new campers, with the inside lighting reminded him of the Las Vegas strip with all the rope style lighting and led everywhere look.

I agree with the light color concept and WINDOWS! and bright light! I want my camper to look like a home, comfortable, and cozie, not a casino or a strip club, or a black Gothic cave!


Posted By: amandasgramma on 02/21/16 06:54pm

Exactly what we think!!! Saw a used rig a couple of years ago that I wanted.....light sage green carpet, sage green accessories (couch, curtains, etc) and white cupboards. Can't remember the wall color but what I can remember is when I walked in I felt at home and cheerful!!!!


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Posted By: Homer on 02/21/16 06:54pm

Man am I glad you testified on the new color schemes. IMHO they are garish, ugly and down right tomorrows trash. They look more like circus wagons than RV's. I will not buy until there is a change back to nice normal colors with minimum **** swirled all over the sides.


Posted By: coolmom42 on 02/21/16 07:02pm

Homer wrote:

Man am I glad you testified on the new color schemes. IMHO they are garish, ugly and down right tomorrows trash. They look more like circus wagons than RV's. I will not buy until there is a change back to nice normal colors with minimum **** swirled all over the sides.


The insides were worse than the outsides, believe me.

I told one of the dealer reps that other people were commenting on the color schemes too. He said that the mfr reps told him they made some in lighter color schemes and they just didn't sell.

I don't believe that for a minute.

These mfr designers need to take some lessons from HGTV on their "Tiny Apartment" makeovers.


Posted By: dodge guy on 02/21/16 07:30pm

What I noticed was the lack of windows. even on some entry doors! only windows were over the couch and dinette!
The LED lights don`t bother me, as they can be turned off.
One outside kitchen was so high that even for me I would've needed a step stool to use it.
I agree with the dark chocolate interior colors.
It looks like Island kitchens in TT`s are popular now. residential fridges are getting popular in trailers now too.
Lots of pluses and minuses!


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Posted By: jplante4 on 02/21/16 07:31pm

We call them "paper bag buses". I look around the park we're in and they all look the same. Easy to pick ours out in the row.


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Posted By: Yeti plus on 02/21/16 07:48pm

We went to the show in London,Ontario last weekend and looked at the 2016 version of our Jayco. The new colour schemes sure made it a different feel inside. Would not think of trading ours for a new one. They say they have a panel of mostly women who pick the interior colours. I would not like to see the interior decoration of their homes if this is what they are recommending.
The other thing that we noticed was the sofa and dinette cushions were leatherette (Vinyl ) and dark brown. I like the feel of fabric.
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Posted By: rhagfo on 02/21/16 08:01pm

Well, maybe they believe the dark colors make the interior feel warmer!

That might be true, but dark colors make small spaces look even smaller!!
I guess one needs to buy a Retro unit with the light birch woodwork.


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Posted By: pennysmom09 on 02/21/16 08:04pm

Our 2015 KZ Durango is also dark inside. On a sunny day it seems plenty bright, but a little bit of clouds and it is too dim. Between the tinted windows, dark wood and floor and all some sort of brown wallpaper, they need new interior designers. I've added light sheer curtains, lamps and throw rugs to cozy it up, but sometimes it's just too dark!


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Posted By: pconroy328 on 02/21/16 08:21pm

I'm glad someone was willing to say it out loud. The interior designers of RVs these days are unbelievably awful. Gaudy, loud, dark. Like you said - no thought to the blue-ish white light case by the LEDs.

Crown is garish. Usually two-tone. Trim excessive.

I mentioned in another thread that I walked into a $500,000 Class A and wondered immediately where the "pole" was for the Exotic Dancers.

Just makes you wanna smack 'em, doesn't it?


Posted By: coolmom42 on 02/21/16 08:22pm

Yeti plus wrote:

We went to the show in London,Ontario last weekend and looked at the 2016 version of our Jayco. The new colour schemes sure made it a different feel inside. Would not think of trading ours for a new one. They say they have a panel of mostly women who pick the interior colours. I would not like to see the interior decoration of their homes if this is what they are recommending.
The other thing that we noticed was the sofa and dinette cushions were leatherette (Vinyl ) and dark brown. I like the feel of fabric.
Brian


I do not believe for one minute that a panel of women pick those colors. If so, they started with a very limited palette.

And why would you need a PANEL of women (or men) to pick ONE color---mud brown???


Posted By: 2gypsies on 02/21/16 09:01pm

Those colors sound awful!

Just curious.....if you picked up any brochures, normally you have a choice of colors....were there any suitable options? Perhaps they only brought these dark colors to the show thinking they were starting a new trend.


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Posted By: myredracer on 02/21/16 09:58pm

Well, we just went to our RV show on the weekend. Not sure why we go - don't need anything, but somehow can't resist. The biggest thing I notice is that it doesn't take very long to realize that you can't tell which brand or model you are in because they all look the same. Mud brown/earth tones are definitely everywhere (sigh).

Wasn't a single one that jumped out for uniqueness, quality, features, colors or anything else that would make someone want to go back and take a second look.

I doubt women are involved in any of the design - just look at how many units have almost no kitchen counter space to work on, even high-end MHs.

Funny thing this year was the huge lineup to get in and the parking lot had 2-3 times as many vehicles.






Posted By: rv bill-e on 02/21/16 11:10pm

I could have written the same post as coolmom42. We were there today and saw it the same way, a whole lotta ugly. Perhaps finishes that were barely tolerable with incandescent lighting need to be reevaluated with those LEDs! The was one "Vintage" small camper with retro Diner-syle interior which was a welcome relief to go inside. Like the Teardrops and Little Guys, your eye was drawn to anything than did not look dreary. And while we are griping, that dark, dark, Sprinter was also blasting electronic music at a painful level. We attempted to go inside but it was too loud for my wife to even enter and I turned right around because I could not see anything anyway.


Posted By: newman fulltimer on 02/22/16 12:03am

walmart.com had a bluelight special on brown fabrics andvwoodlook flooring deep discounts guess who bought it all


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Posted By: gbopp on 02/22/16 04:31am

coolmom42 wrote:

I do not believe for one minute that a panel of women pick those colors. If so, they started with a very limited palette.


Maybe they go to a local tavern during Happy Hour on Ladies Night?
The colors seem to be mostly beer bottle brown. [emoticon]


Posted By: Tvov on 02/22/16 04:42am

coolmom42 wrote:

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The cutest thing there was the Little Guy MyPod. Add a screen room, enough space in the vehicle for food & supplies. and a couple could be really comfy.


Anyone else have their virus alert come on with that link? My Avast really didn't want me on that site. I am assuming and hoping it was a "false positive"!


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Posted By: SolidAxleDurango on 02/22/16 04:48am

myredracer wrote:

Well, we just went to our RV show on the weekend. Not sure why we go - don't need anything, but somehow can't resist. The biggest thing I notice is that it doesn't take very long to realize that you can't tell which brand or model you are in because they all look the same. Mud brown/earth tones are definitely everywhere (sigh).....


Bring back light blue and mauve floral prints!!!!!

myredracer wrote:

...I doubt women are involved in any of the design - just look at how many units have almost no kitchen counter space to work on, even high-end MHs....


^^ We'll that's not sexist at all.


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Posted By: IDoMyOwnStunts on 02/22/16 05:11am

I like the layout of the Tesla toy haulers and they do have some lighter color schemes that make it look like a residential home, but I just cannot get past those lightning bolt doors.


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Posted By: icanon on 02/22/16 06:01am

coolmom42 wrote:

...new RVs, that is.

I went to the Nashville RV show today. Not with any serious intent to buy, but scoping out the different types/sizes.

I have never in my life seen such a collection of ugly mud-brown cabinetry, dirt-gray floors, and black trim. If I had 10X the money, I wouldn't buy a single one of the new RVs I saw on that floor.

To add insult to injury, most mfrs have used very cool blue-ish toned LED lights, and not nearly enough of them. A very bad combo with the colors inside.

The first one I walked in was a Roadtrek, in which the entire sleeping area was BLACK. It was a dungeon, especially given the poor lighting that was only half turned on.

Don't manufacturers realize that lighter colors would open up the small spaces they are working with?

Many other people were commenting on the dark colors, too.

And don't even get me started on the flashing rope LEDs that also changed color, on the outside of a big 5th wheel. This was the one with a 36" TV outside. I sincerely hope to NEVER be parked near that one.

The cutest thing there was the Little Guy MyPod. Add a screen room, enough space in the vehicle for food & supplies. and a couple could be really comfy.


Totally agree with you I been complaining about for some time now, especially when forum member RobertRyan posts some beautiful TT's here, man I wish the companies here see what's offered in other places around the world.


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Posted By: coolmom42 on 02/22/16 06:36am

Tvov wrote:

coolmom42 wrote:

...

The cutest thing there was the Little Guy MyPod. Add a screen room, enough space in the vehicle for food & supplies. and a couple could be really comfy.


Anyone else have their virus alert come on with that link? My Avast really didn't want me on that site. I am assuming and hoping it was a "false positive"!


I got that too, just now. However there wasn't a problem when I just googled "MyPod"


Posted By: coolmom42 on 02/22/16 06:38am

gbopp wrote:

coolmom42 wrote:

I do not believe for one minute that a panel of women pick those colors. If so, they started with a very limited palette.


Maybe they go to a local tavern during Happy Hour on Ladies Night?
The colors seem to be mostly beer bottle brown. [emoticon]


LOL


Posted By: Bob Vaughn on 02/22/16 06:42am

We have always liked the light oak colors but no one uses that any more....


Posted By: Tin Pusher on 02/22/16 06:43am

Went to our local boat / RV show and the Retros were the most encouraging thing I saw. Clean and simple. Hope they start making FW's [emoticon]


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Posted By: Homer on 02/22/16 06:58am

I don't believe women picked anything in these RV's unless of course they worked for the company that made them. Inside and Out new RV's are just plain ugly with the exception of Airstream, no I do not own any interest in Airstream.


Posted By: mowermech on 02/22/16 07:00am

Please remember, folks, you are dealing with PROFESSIONALS here: People who have invested a lot of time and money in getting College Degrees so that THEY know what the average consumer REALLY wants!
The problem arises when they are faced with the fact that the "average consumer" is a very rare bird! In fact, it could be said that such a critter does not really exist, except in the fantasys of designers and marketing experts.
a bigger problem is that the manufacturers listen to THEM, instead of US!


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Posted By: myredracer on 02/22/16 07:05am

pconroy328 wrote:

Like you said - no thought to the blue-ish white light case by the LEDs.


The mistake RV manufacturers are making is using cool white LEDs with their high color temp. inside as it completely clashes with all the warm/earth tones. It is plain awful and an immediate turnoff. They should be using warm white LEDs. A few of the manufacturers are using warm white and it makes a world of difference. They're clearly not consulting lighting experts.

Some folks here ought to band together and create a virtual consulting business and help the manufacturers do a better job and shake up the industry. [emoticon] Lots of great opinion and knowledge on RV.net that could be put to good use.


Posted By: ryegatevt on 02/22/16 07:08am

Gotta agree with all the posts. I notice nobody posting here disagrees with the comments! Our 2005 Roadtrek has a light maple interior which is perfect for us. We've looked at the new ones with their dark interiors and cold lighting - just seeing that turns us off. Add in the high tech lithium battery and solar electrical systems that seem to need an engineering degree to operate and this old man would be way over his head. Oh, and don't get me started on those garish outside lights!


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Posted By: Stefonius on 02/22/16 07:10am

Homer wrote:

I don't believe women picked anything in these RV's unless of course they worked for the company that made them. Inside and Out new RV's are just plain ugly with the exception of Airstream, no I do not own any interest in Airstream.
Airstream... Half the space at only twice the price!


Posted By: TwinTurbo on 02/22/16 07:11am

Funny enough, my wife likes the darker cabinetry and floors. Further proof that style/taste is subjective. We find the pastels, such as the vintage camper above, to be very garish.


Posted By: ford truck guy on 02/22/16 07:13am

This is exactly why we waited for ours... We were also sick of the dark colored, dungeon feeling.. We ordered our new one with Urban Clay interior . --

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Posted By: Stefonius on 02/22/16 07:26am

We went to our local RV show two weeks ago and saw a whole lot of ugly rigs. I kept walking into FWs with high hopes, only to hear the violin music from "Psycho" start playing in my head as I looked around.

Manufacturers seem obsessed with huge livingrooms and tiny, cramped kitchens. I do not use the living room when camping. I use the kitchen constantly.

Why are all the stoves placed flush against a wall cabinet on one side? How am I supposed to cook if there's no room for pot handles or for my elbows when I'm stirring something? Why is there a residential refrigerator in a unit that will spend so many hours unplugged from the grid?

I spend 8-10 out of every 24 hours in the bedroom, but the bedroom is another cramped, cave-like area. I'm 6'5". There's no earthly reason for me to hit my head on the ceiling in the bedroom of a high-profile FW. There's no reason why I should have to go down to the living area to find enough free floor space to get dressed in the morning.

While I'm on the subject of headroom, why should I have to shower in a phone booth? Even in units that have large, rectangular shower pans, the glass doors for the shower have a metal bar across the top at CHEST HEIGHT. Why? Getting doors a foot taller doesn't cost much. Why does the bathroom door open into the hallway in a direction that blocks access to the bedroom? Couldn't they just have used a pocket door if space was that tight?

Why are there whole rooms I cannot access with the slides in? When I'm packing the rig to go away, I don't run the slides out first. I'm in storage, for crying out loud. What if I stop overnight at the Mart of Wal to catch some much-needed Zs? Oops... can't go into the bedroom at all with the living room slide in. I saw at least three units with that bone-headed design.

Why bother to put a big 19' awning on a unit, and then occupy half of the shaded space with a slideout? Couldn't you have put that slide on the curb side of the coach instead?

Why is the wallpaper textured to look and feel like a burlap sack?

I just want to draw up my idea of the "ideal" layout and mail it off to all of the RV manufacturers. It's frustrating.


Posted By: Stefonius on 02/22/16 07:27am

ford truck guy wrote:

This is exactly why we waited for ours... We were also sick of the dark colored, dungeon feeling.. We ordered our new one with Urban Clay interior . --

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Very pretty. If only they had centered the cooktop in that opening...


Posted By: coolmom42 on 02/22/16 08:27am

I agree with the relative room sizes. Too much empty floor space and not enough bedroom or bathroom space.

I don't really want a slide but absolutely would not buy a slide model that renders some areas inaccessible with the slide in.


Posted By: coolmom42 on 02/22/16 08:28am

TwinTurbo wrote:

Funny enough, my wife likes the darker cabinetry and floors. Further proof that style/taste is subjective. We find the pastels, such as the vintage camper above, to be very garish.


I'm not a huge fan of the pastels, but at least a light neutral would be much more attractive.


Posted By: dodge guy on 02/22/16 08:43am

And what's with the bunk rooms being enormous, but the main/adult bedroom you have to shimmy between the wall and bed or just crawl right into bed with no where to change!


Posted By: Frankedj on 02/22/16 09:01am

Night clubs in black are that way for two reasons.

It creates a certain mood.
It hides flaws.

Hiding flaws is the biggest reason. I worked in many clubs for about 25 years.


Posted By: fla-gypsy on 02/22/16 11:02am

Well we have evolved from mid century "cathouse" to 21st century "vegas strip". Someone (not me) would consider that progress. All of the design school drop outs have to work somewhere?


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Posted By: tatest on 02/22/16 12:58pm

My wife chose our particular motorhome because it was trimmed in light colors and had big windows for lots of light. There are other color schemes for the same model (or its Winnebago twin) that are darker.

I think you'll find most manufacturers offer alternative color schemes. What you see at any given show is what the local dealers are ordering, and they usually make that choice based on experience with buyer preferences.

No options on number of windows and sizes, but there is a lot of variation brand to brand. Bigger windows are more expensive, budget priced RVs tend to get fewer, smaller windows.


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Posted By: ford truck guy on 02/22/16 01:09pm

Stefonius -

Thanks . . . I thought about that also ,but in all reality its nicer off set towards the rear.. That leaves us with a decent staging area for cooking right next to the cook top... We never though we would like an island sink , but after sitting in a few before buying , we really liked them ..


Posted By: OldRacer on 02/22/16 03:34pm

i'm sure i'm gonna catch hell for this, but how many of you complaining about the styles and colors of today's RV's are 60 years old or older? I see in several of your profiles that youre retired.

I get what most of ya'll are saying, but the looks youre seeing in todays RV's are what many of the "younger" families are wanting. By "younger" i'm referring to 40 and under. I'm 54, but since i roadraced motorcycles for the last 15 years, i have many many friends in the 28-40 year old range, and RV's have become VERY popular for the younger crowd, and what youre seeing at the RV shows is what the younger folks seem to want (at least thats what ive seen as well as heard from a LOT of people).

Not disrespecting any of you, just telling you why i personally think the styles have gone to what they've gone to.

Just my.02 worth. YMMV


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Posted By: coolmom42 on 02/22/16 03:40pm

I am 60, with 28 & 30 yr old children and 3 grandchildren. I haven't seen them or any of their friends decorating their homes like these RVs. If anything, the younger people I know (who actually decorate) tend towards lighter palettes. And a lot of them just don't care.

You are right, though, most of the negative comments I heard were from people about my age. BUT we were also over half the attendees at the show, by my estimate. We are also the ones buying the higher dollar RVs, and we vote with our checkbooks!


Posted By: OldRacer on 02/22/16 03:52pm

coolmom42 wrote:

I am 60, with 28 & 30 yr old children and 3 grandchildren. I haven't seen them or any of their friends decorating their homes like these RVs. If anything, the younger people I know (who actually decorate) tend towards lighter palettes. And a lot of them just don't care.

You are right, though, most of the negative comments I heard were from people about my age. BUT we were also over half the attendees at the show, by my estimate. We are also the ones buying the higher dollar RVs, and we vote with our checkbooks!
LoL i get that! We were at the RV show here in ATL just a few weeks ago (when we purchased our 3rd RV), and the demographic there was people in their 30's and 40's, and they were definitely ooo'ing and ahh'ing over the "bling" of these new RV's. Hell, i actually felt like the old guy compared to most of the people at the show here! [emoticon]


Posted By: Homer on 02/22/16 05:00pm

Strange thing, most of the young folks I know buy white cars, white to buff colored walls in their houses, even white furniture. One thing we can all count on is this will all end in due time. Us old buzzards are the ones who the RV industry counts on. Those that finance these very poor investments are under water when they pull them off the lot. Fun yes, good place for your money no way.


Posted By: minnow on 02/22/16 05:25pm

I don't think it was 5 years ago when you couldn't find an RV that wasn't oak/light wood trimmed. Anyone remember the all white interiors a few manufacturers trotted out? In a year or two, the dark colored fad will old news.


Posted By: coolmom42 on 02/22/16 06:31pm

minnow wrote:

I don't think it was 5 years ago when you couldn't find an RV that wasn't oak/light wood trimmed. Anyone remember the all white interiors a few manufacturers trotted out? In a year or two, the dark colored fad will old news.


I would love to see a white & oak interior. It might not look like a dungeon.


Posted By: Naio on 02/22/16 08:00pm

I wonder if what happened was the RV manufacturers got some feedback but they misinterpreted it.

Until recently, they were making a lot of RVs with white or almost-white couches. For camping, that is crazy, IMO.

But that doesn't mean we want EVERYTHING dark!

Speaking as a 'young' rv'er, what I want is dark furniture and floors, light, washable, walls and cabinets.

And I prefer real colors over neutrals, I hate woodgrain, and I hate grey or black, especially with red accents.

I like the vintage/diner style a lot, but it makes me a bit sad that people have to copy something old because they can't make something new that is pleasing to look at.


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Posted By: Rick Jay on 02/23/16 05:49pm

Ok, I'm 55 and at our recent RV & Camping Show the majority of units had the dark interiors. Each one was like walking into a cave. Now granted, my eyes aren't as good as they used to be, but even when they were better, I liked a nice, bright and airy interior. These things were terrible. I agree with the "trying to hide something" mentality.

When we special ordered our motorhome, we chose to pay the extra for the solid wood cabinetry upgrade and ordered the lighter maple cabinets over the golden oak. Woodwork tends to darken with age anyway and we expected to have our rig for 20+ years (we're in year 12 this year). I'd take our interior over ANY I saw at the show.

But I am in the over-50 crowd, so maybe it is a generational thing.

I just find it interesting that in over 5 pages of posts, there have been very few supporting the dark interiors. I wonder if they're going to be "in demand" in a few years when they start hitting the used market?

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Posted By: OldRacer on 02/23/16 06:11pm

Rick Jay wrote:

Ok, I'm 55 and at our recent RV & Camping Show the majority of units had the dark interiors. Each one was like walking into a cave. Now granted, my eyes aren't as good as they used to be, but even when they were better, I liked a nice, bright and airy interior. These things were terrible. I agree with the "trying to hide something" mentality.

When we special ordered our motorhome, we chose to pay the extra for the solid wood cabinetry upgrade and ordered the lighter maple cabinets over the golden oak. Woodwork tends to darken with age anyway and we expected to have our rig for 20+ years (we're in year 12 this year). I'd take our interior over ANY I saw at the show.

But I am in the over-50 crowd, so maybe it is a generational thing.

I just find it interesting that in over 5 pages of posts, there have been very few supporting the dark interiors. I wonder if they're going to be "in demand" in a few years when they start hitting the used market?

~Rick


I think thats because the majority of the people on THIS board do the "camping" thing at campgrounds and campsites. The number of younger folks the RV industry is appealing to right now (and this is just my opinion as far as what your seeing on the inside of RV's these days), but there is a boat load of RV's being sold to the much younger crowd that dont do regular camping. They do race tracks, and i'm referring to club level motorcycle roadracing (my background), dirtbike racing/riding (thats who i sold my Jayco 5th wheel to several years ago), club level car road racing, camping at dirtbike parks that are popping up all over the place, ect. There are a LOT more places these young folks go that many of you (and me) old timers are simply not aware of. Trust me, the RV industry is selling the hell out of these things to that demographic, ESPECIALLY the fancy toyhaulers.


Posted By: TheAmRheins on 02/23/16 07:30pm

coolmom et al - I have been saying this same thing for years... our 2009 Landmark has cherry wood finish which is plenty dark enough.

We will not be buying until the interiors are light - I want my RV to look like a beach house! Whitewashed wood, blues/aquas with pops of red or orange. Light grey or tan barnwood looking flooring. White walls. NO BORDERS! No mirrors on the ceiling! No flashing lights anywhere! LOL

Maybe we should copy this thread and email it to every manufacturer...


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Posted By: Wanderlost on 02/23/16 10:52pm

I think sending this thread to every manufacturer is a great idea. Moving from a 2004 Class A with a lovely light-filled interior to a travel trailer with a dark interior is rather depressing. I've alleviated some of that with bright fabrics.

The space issues, though -- who designs this nonsense? People who don't actually RV? Who don't cook? Who don't need to store clothing, food, dishes, cookware, etc.?

Sheesh.


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Posted By: minnow on 02/24/16 08:06am

TheAmRheins wrote:

coolmom et al - I have been saying this same thing for years... our 2009 Landmark has cherry wood finish which is plenty dark enough.

We will not be buying until the interiors are light - I want my RV to look like a beach house! Whitewashed wood, blues/aquas with pops of red or orange. Light grey or tan barnwood looking flooring. White walls. NO BORDERS! No mirrors on the ceiling! No flashing lights anywhere! LOL

Maybe we should copy this thread and email it to every manufacturer...


If you are waiting for that color scheme, you won't be buying anytime soon. In over 25 years, I've never seen any interior with blue or pastels. It's either dark to light woods with tans or dark fabrics with maybe a splash of color. About 10 years ago, a few had bright white cabinets with a white wash type floor finish. That only lasted a couple of years.


Posted By: coolmom42 on 02/24/16 09:12am

minnow wrote:

TheAmRheins wrote:

coolmom et al - I have been saying this same thing for years... our 2009 Landmark has cherry wood finish which is plenty dark enough.

We will not be buying until the interiors are light - I want my RV to look like a beach house! Whitewashed wood, blues/aquas with pops of red or orange. Light grey or tan barnwood looking flooring. White walls. NO BORDERS! No mirrors on the ceiling! No flashing lights anywhere! LOL

Maybe we should copy this thread and email it to every manufacturer...


If you are waiting for that color scheme, you won't be buying anytime soon. In over 25 years, I've never seen any interior with blue or pastels. It's either dark to light woods with tans or dark fabrics with maybe a splash of color. About 10 years ago, a few had bright white cabinets with a white wash type floor finish. That only lasted a couple of years.


Lots of 1995-2005 RVs have blue carpet, front walls (in motorhomes) and assorted blue/green/tan floral fabrics & borders. I don't like that much either. If I bought one of those, which I might, I will rip out the carpet and put in medium gray patterned flooring, paint the walls a very light gray and the cabinets white. Add dark green fabrics and splashes of bright colors with pillows & small trim items.


Posted By: Stefonius on 02/24/16 11:29am

Wanderlost wrote:

The space issues, though -- who designs this nonsense? People who don't actually RV? Who don't cook? Who don't need to store clothing, food, dishes, cookware, etc.?

Sheesh.
I say that to myself every time I look at a new floorplan. These things must be designed by people who never actually use them.


Posted By: Homer on 02/24/16 12:48pm

I was in the home office of a major manufacturer, (No Name), and just looked around at the various employees and management. I did not see one person that I thought had ever spent a night in an RV. Now I could be dead wrong, but that was my observation. I can attest they knew little or nothing about the construction of the RV.


Posted By: noteven on 02/24/16 04:18pm

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Anyone like this one?


Posted By: Homer on 02/24/16 04:48pm

Yes, that is nice pleasing subtle meld of colors that if the picture isn't being flooded with bright lights would be very acceptable.


Posted By: SolidAxleDurango on 02/25/16 07:02am

Homer wrote:

I was in the home office of a major manufacturer, (No Name), and just looked around at the various employees and management. I did not see one person that I thought had ever spent a night in an RV. Now I could be dead wrong, but that was my observation. I can attest they knew little or nothing about the construction of the RV.


Why would you expect them to have stayed a night in an RV or know how they are constructed?

Over an above the chief designers/engineers/assembly line individuals.... (which are likely "officed" in a production facility as opposed to a "home office")...

All companies (regardless of core product) are comprised of shared services individuals which have nothing to do with core business development - IT, HR, Administrative, IT, Finance...


Posted By: ryegatevt on 02/25/16 07:08am

While we're on the subject of design - why can't some one put more than one door in a Class A? I can't imagine having one door on one side of the rig. A mid-living area door and a driver's door would be a start. My little class B has 4 doors to access the interior: driver's passenger's living area side door and double opening rear door...

* This post was edited 02/26/16 07:02am by ryegatevt *


Posted By: Kittykath on 02/25/16 07:13am

Our new camper is definitely dark. There wasn't much choice AND find the floor plan we wanted. We drew the line at black. Some of the units had all the ceiling mounted fixtures and trim in BLACK. There's a lot of stuff on those ceilings if you really look. Talk about feeling closed in.

But large windows help. So do decor & rugs with some bright colors. We added a small lamp or two, some greenery, keep the surfaces clutter-free, and it doesn't look so bad after all. Kinda cozy even.


Posted By: hone eagle on 02/25/16 08:36am

So I got ask , are these indoor shows?
but ya I also hate the dark trend ,much prefer the light wood and light laminates ,reminds me of yachts.
teak and holly hummm.


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Posted By: Cloud Dancer on 02/25/16 08:46am

The only way we could end up with the fabrics, colors, accents, etc that we wanted was to study every thing that was offered, and then special order our motorhome. THEN, we picked it up at the factory so that they could correct their errors:

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Posted By: Dtank on 03/05/16 12:34pm

coolmom42 wrote:

...new RVs, that is.

I went to the Nashville RV show today. Not with any serious intent to buy, but scoping out the different types/sizes.

I have never in my life seen such a collection of ugly mud-brown cabinetry, dirt-gray floors, and black trim. If I had 10X the money, I wouldn't buy a single one of the new RVs I saw on that floor.

To add insult to injury, most mfrs have used very cool blue-ish toned LED lights, and not nearly enough of them. A very bad combo with the colors inside.

The first one I walked in was a Roadtrek, in which the entire sleeping area was BLACK. It was a dungeon, especially given the poor lighting that was only half turned on.

Don't manufacturers realize that lighter colors would open up the small spaces they are working with?

Many other people were commenting on the dark colors, too.

And don't even get me started on the flashing rope LEDs that also changed color, on the outside of a big 5th wheel. This was the one with a 36" TV outside. I sincerely hope to NEVER be parked near that one.

The cutest thing there was the Little Guy MyPod. Add a screen room, enough space in the vehicle for food & supplies. and a couple could be really comfy.



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Posted By: pconroy328 on 03/05/16 02:58pm

fla-gypsy wrote:

Well we have evolved from mid century "cathouse" to 21st century "vegas strip". Someone (not me) would consider that progress. All of the design school drop outs have to work somewhere?


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Exactly.

I really try to keep my opinions to myself, I really do. But when I walked into one, with faux stone, beadboard, blue LED strip lighting, black and silver appliances and a cheesy fake fireplace - I burst out laughing.


Hideous.
No, "hideous" is still being too kind.



Faux brick.
Still cracks me up.


Posted By: Paul Clancy on 03/07/16 03:32am

Some people can afford trendy. I cannot. I buy for long term and so far have not regretted any Rv decor I've owned. There must be a trick to looking at something and knowing in a couple years I'll regret that. It's certainly not about $$ as there are some high dollar rigs that look like a Reno casino and some entry level rigs that are tasteful and welcoming. I would agree the new trends are coming from the toy haulers - garage race track decor -which is fine for those who like that. For the rest not so much.


Posted By: qtla9111 on 03/07/16 04:52am

U.S. manufacturers solution for European styling although they are way off on that. Color it anyway you want, they have a long way to go to convince me to buy a new rv.

Construction, quality, size, interiors. No thanks. Hymer just bought Roadtrek, hopefully that will start to open doors to competition. Without it, nothing will change.


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Posted By: 4X4Dodger on 03/07/16 07:53am

coolmom42 wrote:

Yeti plus wrote:

We went to the show in London,Ontario last weekend and looked at the 2016 version of our Jayco. The new colour schemes sure made it a different feel inside. Would not think of trading ours for a new one. They say they have a panel of mostly women who pick the interior colours. I would not like to see the interior decoration of their homes if this is what they are recommending.
The other thing that we noticed was the sofa and dinette cushions were leatherette (Vinyl ) and dark brown. I like the feel of fabric.
Brian


I do not believe for one minute that a panel of women pick those colors. If so, they started with a very limited palette.

And why would you need a PANEL of women (or men) to pick ONE color---mud brown???


Actually what they really need are some great designers like the young male couple pictured on Architectural Digest a while back...

It seems that all the RV manufacturers have interior designers that graduated from the Elvis/Graceland Jungle Room School of interior Design.


Posted By: 4X4Dodger on 03/07/16 08:02am

Wanderlost wrote:

I think sending this thread to every manufacturer is a great idea. Moving from a 2004 Class A with a lovely light-filled interior to a travel trailer with a dark interior is rather depressing. I've alleviated some of that with bright fabrics.

The space issues, though -- who designs this nonsense? People who don't actually RV? Who don't cook? Who don't need to store clothing, food, dishes, cookware, etc.?

Sheesh.


One of the problems in the design choices and what we get are the RAH! RAH! Cheerleading of the Editors of Motorhome and Trailer Life for these new products.

What would be really useful is an RV Press that wasn't the lapdog of the industry and actually listened to it's readers.


Posted By: 4X4Dodger on 03/07/16 08:15am

In all seriousness I think part of this color scheme madness is that the RV industry heard us saying "I want fabrics that dont show the dirt"

Well if you are an older couple with no pets you can have sofas covered in white Silk in your motorhome. But for a young family with toddlers or teenagers or in-betweens this just isnt practical.

I think this is the market they are aiming at....and those weekend warriors with the 4 off road buzz bombs and two 12 year old boys.

They need to look at the European interiors which are modern, light, airy and easy to clean. There is also some real DESIGN going into those products as opposed to the "second hand store" look of so many of ours.


Posted By: noteven on 03/07/16 04:23pm

I'm with you on colors 4x4Dodger - but the very first thing you see posted on here when someone puts up a picture of a durable and functional European or Australian RV is "spartan" and/or "too plain" ...

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Posted By: atperci on 03/08/16 08:40am

When I saw the article in the most recent issue of MH Magazine regarding this year's manufacturer's show in the mid-west, the first thing that came to mind was no wonder these people cannot build a quality product!

The author of the story stated that one manufacturer was introducing five new lines to their line-up. He even clarifies that its 5 new lines, not models, not trim levels. I think he was even taken aback by how many there were. He also says there are a number of other manufacturers were introducing a new line or two.

As many "lines" of RVs there are, its no wonder there are so many quality control problems in the industry. If they would stop trying to please every individual buyer's taste (or as in this thread repulse) and wasting the hundreds of thousands of dollars in the design phase, they could probably make a quality RV, every owner would be much happier with their purchase.

Do they REALLY have to produce a new design every year?!? What other industry does that for every single item they sell??? They should focus on quality and not worry about "keeping up the Joneses."

We have only bought one "brand new" RV, our first tent trailer. It wasn't too bad, only a few minor warranty items. But it still took the dealer almost two weeks to get to it. We now buy gently used RVs, figuring we'd let someone else take care of the punch list and take the depreciation hit for us. Only had one major problem in the four RVs we've owned (and that was my mistake for not inspecting the roof closer.)

Sorry to ramble on. Just my $0.02! And now back to our regularly scheduled thread...


Posted By: RobertRyan on 03/08/16 05:01pm

coolmom42 wrote:

went to the Nashville RV show today. Not with any serious intent to buy, but scoping out the different types/sizes.

I have never in my life seen such a collection of ugly mud-brown cabinetry, dirt-gray floors, and black trim. If I had 10X the money, I wouldn't buy a single one of the new RVs I saw on that floor.

A few importers have brought in mainly US Caravans and 5th wheelers over the years. General reaction here, is " they must be joking" It would appear they have a love affair with beige and dark colours
Early 50's Caravan with yellows, greens and blue, curtains and fibreboard cabinets
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Australian Beige, Ugly and Dark, common up to the early 2000's
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Posted By: Steve B. on 03/11/16 06:45pm

I guess I'll stick with my birch paneling, birds eye maple cabinetry, cracked ice vinyl dinette seats and 50s linoleum flooring. Kind of timeless.


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Posted By: wecamp04 on 03/12/16 04:26am

coolmom42 wrote:

...new RVs, that is.

I went to the Nashville RV show today. Not with any serious intent to buy, but scoping out the different types/sizes.

I have never in my life seen such a collection of ugly mud-brown cabinetry, dirt-gray floors, and black trim. If I had 10X the money, I wouldn't buy a single one of the new RVs I saw on that floor.

To add insult to injury, most mfrs have used very cool blue-ish toned LED lights, and not nearly enough of them. A very bad combo with the colors inside.

The first one I walked in was a Roadtrek, in which the entire sleeping area was BLACK. It was a dungeon, especially given the poor lighting that was only half turned on.

Don't manufacturers realize that lighter colors would open up the small spaces they are working with?

Many other people were commenting on the dark colors, too.

And don't even get me started on the flashing rope LEDs that also changed color, on the outside of a big 5th wheel. This was the one with a 36" TV outside. I sincerely hope to NEVER be parked near that one.

The cutest thing there was the Little Guy MyPod. Add a screen room, enough space in the vehicle for food & supplies. and a couple could be really comfy.

My wife and I were thinking the samething we both said we like the older colors better inside and out I don't like all the brown,black on the outside colors they all look the same to me.Kinda seems all the manufacturers got the same colors


Posted By: KatPalmertoyhauler on 03/17/16 08:27pm

We went to an RV show two weeks ago and the difference between this show and the ones we used to go to every single year was: I couldn't tell by the outside colors and designs between one manufacturer and another. You used to easily tell which company made the campers you were looking at. They all seem to be the same dark browns and swirls on the outside. Insides were basicly the same colors and counters. We went in one that actually had light beize walls and it was so much lighter inside even with the dark cabinets and counter tops. I even told the salesman that it was the only one I entered that looks any different than every other manufacturer at the show. We were looking at big 5th wheels mostly. We were also looking for 5th wheel toy haulers but there were only two at the whole show. I do understand why toy haulers would be decorated in darker colors and vinyl furniture. To help hide the dirt brought in from using the toys. We are looking for a 5th wheel toy hauler to handle a large three wheel handicapped vehicle. However we aren't finding many options locally.


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