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Posted: 02/16/17 09:36am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yellow sticker makes it good for nothing more than a couple sacks of groceries or a bag of soccer balls though.......(see 2500 wimp thread below, lol)


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Posted: 02/16/17 09:50am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Lwiddis wrote:

I was a little worried that Ford had abandoned the field to Tahoe/Yukon. This is good news. Competition will improve the entire market.
I might be wrong but I believe that the current Expedition has a higher payload rating then the Tahoe/Yukon, which is not very much.

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Posted: 02/16/17 09:54am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Still chaps my hide that GM did away with the 2500 Burb UNLESS you are a government agency.

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colliehauler wrote:

Still chaps my hide that GM did away with the 2500 Burb UNLESS you are a government agency.


There are a few dealers selling them to the public. They have to buy them in lots of 5, so only giant fleet dealer do it. But the real kicker is the puny 3,000 pound towing capacity.


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The 3.5L EcoBoost in the F150 is 375hp/450 ft-lb versus 365/350 in the Explorer. When the Raptor comes out, it will likely be higher, but I would NOT expect that version in the Expedition.

10 speed auto should be good for towing. Looking for feedback.


Expedition EL will likely be my next vehicle in about 2 years.

* This post was edited 02/16/17 06:12pm by theoldwizard1 *

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Posted: 02/16/17 10:49am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

X3...why will keep my Suburban K3500/7.4L/4.1's for a looong time...typically keep my vehicle for decades anyway...

Priced the current equivalent Suburban and fake Suburban's and they all came out in the $90K range...since my Sub has been paid for since bought new...can rebuild it to my liking for way less and still have money left

Built 7.4L to around 500-550 ft/lbs torque and still be smog-able, 4L80E built to take 1,000 ft/lb torque, 4.88 diffs (hope the G80 locker has enough carrier for that), a GearVendors 0.70 or 0.50 OD to split the 4l80E gears to make it an 8 speed, etc, etc...

Of course, it will still be a 21 year old vehicle, but am not into fashion statements in this topic area

Plus...towing is NOT just about torque/HP, but the whole setup to manhandle the trailer during an encounter with Mr Murphy...GVWR, F/R-GAWR, etc matters more than just HP, IMHO...



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dodge guy wrote:

Looks like a bulked up Explorer. I agree they should add a HD payload pkg and a max tow version. that would get a lot of people out of their old Excursions and into new Fords!
Just bought a second Excursion V-10 model so with maintenance they should last my life. Would not buy a new 70k SUV would rather spend my money on toys. While the X's power might not be as much the heavy-duty suspension can't be beat for towing. Same thing can be said about the 2500 series burbs with the 8.1

If I wanted a new SUV I would buy a conversation of the new 6.7 Diesel truck into a new Excursion, way more capable.


I agree completely. Which is why I still have my X. Can't afford $70k for a new one. And a '16 Excursion conversion at near $100k is out of my range!


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Lessmore wrote:

Kinda looks Suburbanish,


I was going to say it has very similar body lines to the Ford Flex.


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That's cool.

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I figure it was a shame they made it longer, instead of more weight savings form the new design. I guess at that end of the market big sells.


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Every time I see a new black Suburban first thing that comes to mind, it looks like a hearse.

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