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MEXICOWANDERER

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Posted: 07/06/17 12:18pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Trojan's statement about antimony content reveals there has been no changes made to warp charging values.

Yet Trojan has increased absorbsion and float voltage values.

Why?

It's in response to them losing money.

Due to undercharged battery complaints including warranty returns.

Something I have been harping about for years. This is of no importance for folks who change batteries like I change underwear. Of others who blame everything on "Bad Batteries" because their converter just has to be perfect - the manufacturer says so.

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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

Trojan's statement about antimony content reveals there has been no changes made to warp charging values.

Yet Trojan has increased absorbsion and float voltage values.
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Your original statements did not mention any changes in absorption or float voltages. I suppose some other people can read your mind, but I cannot.

Let me see if I understand your points:

Trojan has increased the recommended absorption and float voltages.

Trojan has not changed the antimony content (or any other component or manufacturing process).

Since no changes were made, Trojan's previous recommendations were incorrect and resulted in undercharging and shortened battery life.

Did I get this right? If so, why not start by explaining your ideas instead of just throwing out what seems to be just incomplete, disconnected and random thoughts?

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Regarding changes in voltages.. The percentrage of antimony is just one part of a very complex equasion, Platte separation, plate design, Thickness, and how well they are mounted all factor in as well as other things I can only guess at.


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Posted: 07/06/17 05:35pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:


Due to undercharged battery complaints including warranty returns.

Something I have been harping about for years. This is of no importance for folks who change batteries like I change underwear. Of others who blame everything on "Bad Batteries" because their converter just has to be perfect - the manufacturer says so.

I have never found a charger that charges to the voltages specified by Trojan (VPC - volts per cell)

Bulk Charge (2.47 VPC)
Absorption Charge (2.35 – 2.45 VPC)
Finish Charge (2.70 VPC)
Equalize Charge (2.70 VPC)
Float Charge (if desired 2.25 VPC)

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Posted: 07/06/17 05:47pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Solar panel with a settable controller could do it.


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Posted: 07/06/17 05:56pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Explaining my ideas en vitro every time I post a comment would create a vast "crawler"of information that like you see on shopping channels, disappears forever. So because of arthritis I am forced to "en breve" note some of these things, hope others can dialog lightly covered areas if they are of interest. Someone dropping in casually on the ninth of twenty three comments is going to be somewhat lost.

So I hope they have in their fingers enough energy to type questions if they are so interested. Get it? Interest has been shown. it will be responded to.

But a manuscript grade thesis for every post isn't possible.

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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:


But a manuscript grade thesis for every post isn't possible.


I dare you.


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I tried it with the Megawatt. Sorry Charlie

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Posted: 07/06/17 10:07pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

With only 5 - 6 Hours of Full-Sun (equiv) per day, charging a deeply discharged Lead Acid battery back to 100% SOC, between sunrise & sunset is very difficult. So, increase the voltage that determines when we change from Bulk Mode to Absorb Mode.

Staying in Bulk Mode longer
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a) Puts more AH into the battery faster
b) Decreases the time needed for Absorb Mode significantly
c) Uses more water
d) Causes more Grid Corrosion
e) Increases chance of 100% SOC by sunset possible

Is PSOC the #1 reason for early battery failure?

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Just to be snottily precise...

Corrosion: H2SO4 chemical (et by acid)

Erosion: Ablation by electrolysis (decomposition)

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