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Posted: 05/19/22 02:51pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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As for the semis, my son-in-law is planning to go into trucking with a goal of buying (several) Tesla semis.
Well, everyone needs a goal, of course some people will limit themselves to attainable goals. [emoticon]


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fj12ryder wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

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As for the semis, my son-in-law is planning to go into trucking with a goal of buying (several) Tesla semis.
Well, everyone needs a goal, of course some people will limit themselves to attainable goals. [emoticon]


Dreams, wishes, goals, all the same thing, right?


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Grit dog wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

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As for the semis, my son-in-law is planning to go into trucking with a goal of buying (several) Tesla semis.
Well, everyone needs a goal, of course some people will limit themselves to attainable goals. [emoticon]


Dreams, wishes, goals, all the same thing, right?



Dreams and wishes... that's when you don't have the money.[emoticon]

Goals is when you have the talent, knowledge and resources, but the timing might not yet be right.[emoticon]

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@Reisender - Whichever it is, it will all be good news for me.

Although we are thinking of getting a truck camper for F150 or, if Lance do one for Cybertruck. We experience so many stops and parking limitations with a trailer.


As for the semis, my son-in-law is planning to go into trucking with a goal of buying (several) Tesla semis.


If I had a million dollars, I'd do the same thing, and keep on truckin' until it was all gone! Trucking is a brutal industry now, and even though an electric truck isn't being hammered by fuel costs right now, a Tesla or other class 8 truck is so unproductive in a long haul application they don't stand a chance. If they ain't turnin' they ain't earnin'! A 400 mile run followed by a long charge (infrastructure for charging OTR electric trucks isn't a thing yet) isn't going to make any money. Short haul they would be great, but most short haul gigs for an owner/operator are hauling containers, and if you've seen the trucks hauling cans around here, you know they're at the bottom of the food chain.

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If I had a million dollars, I'd do the same thing, and keep on truckin' until it was all gone! Trucking is a brutal industry now, and even though an electric truck isn't being hammered by fuel costs right now, a Tesla or other class 8 truck is so unproductive in a long haul application they don't stand a chance. If they ain't turnin' they ain't earnin'! A 400 mile run followed by a long charge (infrastructure for charging OTR electric trucks isn't a thing yet) isn't going to make any money. Short haul they would be great, but most short haul gigs for an owner/operator are hauling containers, and if you've seen the trucks hauling cans around here, you know they're at the bottom of the food chain.



Am surprised myself as some who want to join him in partnership have college degree like him. Seems just sick and tired of office politics and suffocating on their desk jobs (lol).

Must be temporary with the current truck/driver shortage, but one operator/owner friend said that he can now be choosy with the load and now just accepting West Coast routes and can be home 3 to 4 times a week. A bit of news to me since a former church mate owner/operator was saying that the more juicy or profitable routes are reserved to the company owned trucks and he, together with operators like him, are left with the trash left over destinations.


Yup, Tesla semis would be ideal for regional short-hauls. Sorry, am not familiar with trucking terminologies.

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As of today, EV semi tractor-trailers like the Tesla semi is ideal for regional day trips ONLY! Mainly delivery routes within 250 miles(since the range is only 500 miles) that freight companies like Fed-ex and UPS make. The technology, range, and infrastructure is not there for anything else even regional over night trips. And yes, you are wishing or dreaming if you think otherwise. Reality doesn't support that dream just yet. Maybe in 5-10 years(or more), but no right now.


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@Reisender -- how much drop in mileage are you seeing with your tow?

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As of today, EV semi tractor-trailers like the Tesla semi is ideal for regional day trips ONLY! Mainly delivery routes within 250 miles(since the range is only 500 miles) that freight companies like Fed-ex and UPS make. The technology, range, and infrastructure is not there for anything else even regional over night trips. And yes, you are wishing or dreaming if you think otherwise. Reality doesn't support that dream just yet. Maybe in 5-10 years(or more), but no right now.
I expect cross country in a Semi will be a contest very soon once released to private owners.
Should prove interesting.


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ShinerBock wrote:

As of today, EV semi tractor-trailers like the Tesla semi is ideal for regional day trips ONLY! Mainly delivery routes within 250 miles(since the range is only 500 miles) that freight companies like Fed-ex and UPS make. The technology, range, and infrastructure is not there for anything else even regional over night trips. And yes, you are wishing or dreaming if you think otherwise. Reality doesn't support that dream just yet. Maybe in 5-10 years(or more), but no right now.
I expect cross country in a Semi will be a contest very soon once released to private owners.
Should prove interesting.

I can see a 21st century Smokey and the Bandit remake.
East bound and down, loaded up and chargin. We gonna do what Elon says can’t be done…
We gotta long way to and 10 more ?!’!, ing chArging stops. Just watch ole bandit charge!

It won’t be a car chase it’ll be whether snowman can charge his rig before Buford T Justice does! He’ll walk out of the diner over to the supercharger with TP stuck to his glasses!

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ShinerBock wrote:

As of today, EV semi tractor-trailers like the Tesla semi is ideal for regional day trips ONLY! Mainly delivery routes within 250 miles(since the range is only 500 miles) that freight companies like Fed-ex and UPS make. The technology, range, and infrastructure is not there for anything else even regional over night trips. And yes, you are wishing or dreaming if you think otherwise. Reality doesn't support that dream just yet. Maybe in 5-10 years(or more), but no right now.
I expect cross country in a Semi will be a contest very soon once released to private owners.
Should prove interesting.


I hate to burst your bubble here, but all the major manufacturers and fleets say no. Class 7 & 8 truck industry is what I do and have done for the past 20+ years. I currently at mid level at the cooperate headquarters of the worlds largest class 7 & 8 truck dealer group. I speak with most of the top manufactures and fleets on a regular cadence. I am not saying this to bolster my ego, but rather to give you insight that I do know more than most about this industry. I was actually just recently helping with a deal selling several large truck EV chargers to a customer in California.

All the fleets, manufacturers, and industry experts say that we have a long way to go to be able to do long haul with EV's. Not just with the trucks and batteries, but also with also the infrastructure along the way. The amount of energy needed to fast charge just one semi(let a lone a whole fleet) in the 30 minutes that Tesla states is huge or even over night is a lot more than places a long these major routes can handle.

EV's semi's were actually part of the discussion at the last HDAW conference which is a bunch of industry experts talking about the future of the industry. The panel (some who were EV truck manufacturers) came to the same conclusion that I am telling you know that while they are great for daily runs below 250 miles, the trucks and the infrastructure along these major routes still have a long way to go to be able to support these fleets and it will take a lot more than just placing chargers everywhere.

Sorry, but I would take the word of someone who is actually in the industry than a fanboy of the technology who is only looking at if from an bias outsiders perspective purposely neglecting all of the hurdles and challenges that need to overcome. If you want to have a serious discussion about it then we can. I am not anti-EV or opposed to long-haul EV semis. I just know what it would take to make a reality.

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