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Posted: 05/31/22 06:08pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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As of today, EV semi tractor-trailers like the Tesla semi is ideal for regional day trips ONLY! Mainly delivery routes within 250 miles(since the range is only 500 miles) that freight companies like Fed-ex and UPS make. The technology, range, and infrastructure is not there for anything else even regional over night trips. And yes, you are wishing or dreaming if you think otherwise. Reality doesn't support that dream just yet. Maybe in 5-10 years(or more), but no right now.
I expect cross country in a Semi will be a contest very soon once released to private owners.
Should prove interesting.


I hate to burst your bubble here, but all the major manufacturers and fleets say no. Class 7 & 8 truck industry is what I do and have done for the past 20+ years. I currently at mid level at the cooperate headquarters of the worlds largest class 7 & 8 truck dealer group. I speak with most of the top manufactures and fleets on a regular cadence. I am not saying this to bolster my ego, but rather to give you insight that I do know more than most about this industry. I was actually just recently helping with a deal selling several large truck EV chargers to a customer in California.

All the fleets, manufacturers, and industry experts say that we have a long way to go to be able to do long haul with EV's. Not just with the trucks and batteries, but also with also the infrastructure along the way. The amount of energy needed to fast charge just one semi(let a lone a whole fleet) in the 30 minutes that Tesla states is huge or even over night is a lot more than places a long these major routes can handle.

EV's semi's were actually part of the discussion at the last HDAW conference which is a bunch of industry experts talking about the future of the industry. The panel (some who were EV truck manufacturers) came to the same conclusion that I am telling you know that while they are great for daily runs below 250 miles, the trucks and the infrastructure along these major routes still have a long way to go to be able to support these fleets and it will take a lot more than just placing chargers everywhere.

Sorry, but I would take the word of someone who is actually in the industry than a fanboy of the technology who is only looking at if from an bias outsiders perspective purposely neglecting all of the hurdles and challenges that need to overcome. If you want to have a serious discussion about it then we can. I am not anti-EV or opposed to long-haul EV semis. I just know what it would take to make a reality.
Once again completely missed what I said.


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Grit dog wrote:

time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

As of today, EV semi tractor-trailers like the Tesla semi is ideal for regional day trips ONLY! Mainly delivery routes within 250 miles(since the range is only 500 miles) that freight companies like Fed-ex and UPS make. The technology, range, and infrastructure is not there for anything else even regional over night trips. And yes, you are wishing or dreaming if you think otherwise. Reality doesn't support that dream just yet. Maybe in 5-10 years(or more), but no right now.
I expect cross country in a Semi will be a contest very soon once released to private owners.
Should prove interesting.

I can see a 21st century Smokey and the Bandit remake.
East bound and down, loaded up and chargin. We gonna do what Elon says can’t be done…
We gotta long way to and 10 more ?!’!, ing chArging stops. Just watch ole bandit charge!

It won’t be a car chase it’ll be whether snowman can charge his rig before Buford T Justice does! He’ll walk out of the diner over to the supercharger with TP stuck to his glasses!


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Posted: 06/01/22 06:32am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

As of today, EV semi tractor-trailers like the Tesla semi is ideal for regional day trips ONLY! Mainly delivery routes within 250 miles(since the range is only 500 miles) that freight companies like Fed-ex and UPS make. The technology, range, and infrastructure is not there for anything else even regional over night trips. And yes, you are wishing or dreaming if you think otherwise. Reality doesn't support that dream just yet. Maybe in 5-10 years(or more), but no right now.
I expect cross country in a Semi will be a contest very soon once released to private owners.
Should prove interesting.


I hate to burst your bubble here, but all the major manufacturers and fleets say no. Class 7 & 8 truck industry is what I do and have done for the past 20+ years. I currently at mid level at the cooperate headquarters of the worlds largest class 7 & 8 truck dealer group. I speak with most of the top manufactures and fleets on a regular cadence. I am not saying this to bolster my ego, but rather to give you insight that I do know more than most about this industry. I was actually just recently helping with a deal selling several large truck EV chargers to a customer in California.

All the fleets, manufacturers, and industry experts say that we have a long way to go to be able to do long haul with EV's. Not just with the trucks and batteries, but also with also the infrastructure along the way. The amount of energy needed to fast charge just one semi(let a lone a whole fleet) in the 30 minutes that Tesla states is huge or even over night is a lot more than places a long these major routes can handle.

EV's semi's were actually part of the discussion at the last HDAW conference which is a bunch of industry experts talking about the future of the industry. The panel (some who were EV truck manufacturers) came to the same conclusion that I am telling you know that while they are great for daily runs below 250 miles, the trucks and the infrastructure along these major routes still have a long way to go to be able to support these fleets and it will take a lot more than just placing chargers everywhere.

Sorry, but I would take the word of someone who is actually in the industry than a fanboy of the technology who is only looking at if from an bias outsiders perspective purposely neglecting all of the hurdles and challenges that need to overcome. If you want to have a serious discussion about it then we can. I am not anti-EV or opposed to long-haul EV semis. I just know what it would take to make a reality.
Once again completely missed what I said.


No I didn't. I specifically said fleets and not the private owners like you said because it will mainly only be the fleets(big or small) buying these trucks at first. Like with most new trucks that come on the market, private owner/operators generally lag behind buying new tech. Class 7 & 8 trucks are NOT like your average vehicle. Their main purpose is to make money and fleets or private owners do not buy them as second vehicles like most EV owners do. If they tech is not their for the private owner or fleet to make money in long haul trucking, then they will not buy it regardless of how fast it goes or the emissions it doesn't spew.


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Grit dog wrote:

time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

As of today, EV semi tractor-trailers like the Tesla semi is ideal for regional day trips ONLY! Mainly delivery routes within 250 miles(since the range is only 500 miles) that freight companies like Fed-ex and UPS make. The technology, range, and infrastructure is not there for anything else even regional over night trips. And yes, you are wishing or dreaming if you think otherwise. Reality doesn't support that dream just yet. Maybe in 5-10 years(or more), but no right now.
I expect cross country in a Semi will be a contest very soon once released to private owners.
Should prove interesting.

I can see a 21st century Smokey and the Bandit remake.
East bound and down, loaded up and chargin. We gonna do what Elon says can’t be done…
We gotta long way to and 10 more ?!’!, ing chArging stops. Just watch ole bandit charge!

It won’t be a car chase it’ll be whether snowman can charge his rig before Buford T Justice does! He’ll walk out of the diner over to the supercharger with TP stuck to his glasses!

They said this was impossible:
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The Tesla Semi is just waiting for Giga Texas to be completed with 4680 battery production.

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time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

As of today, EV semi tractor-trailers like the Tesla semi is ideal for regional day trips ONLY! Mainly delivery routes within 250 miles(since the range is only 500 miles) that freight companies like Fed-ex and UPS make. The technology, range, and infrastructure is not there for anything else even regional over night trips. And yes, you are wishing or dreaming if you think otherwise. Reality doesn't support that dream just yet. Maybe in 5-10 years(or more), but no right now.
I expect cross country in a Semi will be a contest very soon once released to private owners.
Should prove interesting.


I hate to burst your bubble here, but all the major manufacturers and fleets say no. Class 7 & 8 truck industry is what I do and have done for the past 20+ years. I currently at mid level at the cooperate headquarters of the worlds largest class 7 & 8 truck dealer group. I speak with most of the top manufactures and fleets on a regular cadence. I am not saying this to bolster my ego, but rather to give you insight that I do know more than most about this industry. I was actually just recently helping with a deal selling several large truck EV chargers to a customer in California.

All the fleets, manufacturers, and industry experts say that we have a long way to go to be able to do long haul with EV's. Not just with the trucks and batteries, but also with also the infrastructure along the way. The amount of energy needed to fast charge just one semi(let a lone a whole fleet) in the 30 minutes that Tesla states is huge or even over night is a lot more than places a long these major routes can handle.

EV's semi's were actually part of the discussion at the last HDAW conference which is a bunch of industry experts talking about the future of the industry. The panel (some who were EV truck manufacturers) came to the same conclusion that I am telling you know that while they are great for daily runs below 250 miles, the trucks and the infrastructure along these major routes still have a long way to go to be able to support these fleets and it will take a lot more than just placing chargers everywhere.

Sorry, but I would take the word of someone who is actually in the industry than a fanboy of the technology who is only looking at if from an bias outsiders perspective purposely neglecting all of the hurdles and challenges that need to overcome. If you want to have a serious discussion about it then we can. I am not anti-EV or opposed to long-haul EV semis. I just know what it would take to make a reality.
Once again completely missed what I said.


And talking of completely different matter altogether.

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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

As of today, EV semi tractor-trailers like the Tesla semi is ideal for regional day trips ONLY! Mainly delivery routes within 250 miles(since the range is only 500 miles) that freight companies like Fed-ex and UPS make. The technology, range, and infrastructure is not there for anything else even regional over night trips. And yes, you are wishing or dreaming if you think otherwise. Reality doesn't support that dream just yet. Maybe in 5-10 years(or more), but no right now.
I expect cross country in a Semi will be a contest very soon once released to private owners.
Should prove interesting.


I hate to burst your bubble here, but all the major manufacturers and fleets say no. Class 7 & 8 truck industry is what I do and have done for the past 20+ years. I currently at mid level at the cooperate headquarters of the worlds largest class 7 & 8 truck dealer group. I speak with most of the top manufactures and fleets on a regular cadence. I am not saying this to bolster my ego, but rather to give you insight that I do know more than most about this industry. I was actually just recently helping with a deal selling several large truck EV chargers to a customer in California.

All the fleets, manufacturers, and industry experts say that we have a long way to go to be able to do long haul with EV's. Not just with the trucks and batteries, but also with also the infrastructure along the way. The amount of energy needed to fast charge just one semi(let a lone a whole fleet) in the 30 minutes that Tesla states is huge or even over night is a lot more than places a long these major routes can handle.

EV's semi's were actually part of the discussion at the last HDAW conference which is a bunch of industry experts talking about the future of the industry. The panel (some who were EV truck manufacturers) came to the same conclusion that I am telling you know that while they are great for daily runs below 250 miles, the trucks and the infrastructure along these major routes still have a long way to go to be able to support these fleets and it will take a lot more than just placing chargers everywhere.

Sorry, but I would take the word of someone who is actually in the industry than a fanboy of the technology who is only looking at if from an bias outsiders perspective purposely neglecting all of the hurdles and challenges that need to overcome. If you want to have a serious discussion about it then we can. I am not anti-EV or opposed to long-haul EV semis. I just know what it would take to make a reality.
Once again completely missed what I said.


And talking of completely different matter altogether.


Pot, kettle. He quoted my post on how the current technology will only allow for local day trips within 250 and turned it around to talk about cross country contest by private owners who will not even be the first owners of these trucks. Fleets that operate in a local region will as I was stating and we have a long way to go in order to do any kind of cross country contest.

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Pot, kettle. He quoted my post on how the current technology will only allow for local day trips within 250 and turned it around to talk about cross country contest by private owners who will not even be the first owners of these trucks. Fleets that operate in a local region will as I was stating and we have a long way to go in order to do any kind of cross country contest.


Some owner/operators are saying though that if the 500 mile range is with loaded trailer, it is livable since they are mandated anyways to rest after 10 hours of driving which is the limit anyways driving at average 45 miles per hour (California speed limit for semis) to 50 mph.

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ShinerBock wrote:

The amount of energy needed to fast charge just one semi(let a lone a whole fleet) in the 30 minutes that Tesla states is huge or even over night is a lot more than places a long these major routes can handle.


EE friend of mine did the calculation, I accept his calculation.

To charge a semi given Musk's data of charging to 80% in 30 minutes on just one truck, would require 1.2 MW. Just ONE charging station.
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When towing my 5er, I find many truck stops will have a dozen fueling stations, and most if not all are occupied or there are trucks waiting.

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Have designed up to 2MW (also good to 10,000HP electric motor) and confirm his calculation range

Even if any one charge station could muster that kind of power (the cables would be in the +500MCM gauge range or several +500MCM cables per phase) or buss bar but would still require some sort of flexible last few feet.

Best would be a battery change out as the refueling method and a solar farm of several acres dedicated to that refueling station..and/or...supplemented with windgenerators


philh wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

The amount of energy needed to fast charge just one semi(let a lone a whole fleet) in the 30 minutes that Tesla states is huge or even over night is a lot more than places a long these major routes can handle.


EE friend of mine did the calculation, I accept his calculation.

To charge a semi given Musk's data of charging to 80% in 30 minutes on just one truck, would require 1.2 MW. Just ONE charging station.
.
When towing my 5er, I find many truck stops will have a dozen fueling stations, and most if not all are occupied or there are trucks waiting.



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