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jefe 4x4

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Posted: 01/12/19 02:27pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I'm leaving my comments on Cal's wonderful T.R. because he is near the end of his TC career and will be selling his junk. I personally will miss his ascerbic humor and engineer like precision.
Now onto the latest plans. It's good to have plans. They keep you hoping for a fine trip.
After more minutes of perusal, and studying my Utah Gazetteer, here is a further refinement and revised prospective route near Canyonlands N.P. which includes a ruins tour in Beef Basin (el. 7K feet). Not many use this route to get to Canyonlands. The entry is now highway 191 south past Moab; turn right (west) on state route 211 toward the N.P. entrance. After about 16 miles, turn left on Bridger Jack Rd, (F.R. 088) following north Cottonwood Creek, continuing past Cathedral Butte about 25 miles; turn right on F.R.093, a dirt two track; turning into Beef Basin Rd. In 2 miles turn left onto an unnamed 2-track, the shortcut to the cliff dwellings and ruins area which we can spend days exploring. Depart Beef Basin to the north through Ruin Park trail about 4-5 miles and enter Bobby's Hole, a steep, sandy, rough, rocky, narrow, bad traction, downgrade off the 7000 foot mesa we've been on. After picking up all the pieces, motor north. After about 6 miles enter the Needles area of C.N.P. eventually entering Devils Lane, Silver stairs, and side trips to Butler Cyn. and Confluence Overlook. We then take the one way 'out' route over Elephant Hill that has no rock overhang or narrow slot (nominal el. 5K feet). The 'out' route on Elephant Hill avoids the squeeze and the 'overhang' that could be problematic for a rig that's 10 feet 4 inches tall. At 86 inches wide, it's still narrower than the honey dipper truck that services the porta potties in the park past Elephant Hill. I thought about doing Dark Canyon Overlook, but because of the possibility of deep snow; the elevation of over 8K feet is a no go for the 2nd week of April. That's the plan, so far. Alex and jefe on the White Rim Trail 2010: clearance rock in the foreground.
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* This post was edited 01/12/19 02:38pm by jefe 4x4 *


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Nice trip.


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jefe 4x4 wrote:

tiki,
The time and exposure of the fearsome foursome on RV net is slowly diminishing. Whazoo, Cal, Alex, and jefe, all hard core TC-er's, are now the old men of XTC, (well, Alex is the 'kid' of the bunch) and I don't see anyone ready to take their place. They have all resisted the natural call of RV'er's to move up to more spacious and comfortable rolling domiciles, DRW's, a higher GVW, more space for cold ones, so they are as a group a fading anachronism. And, most importantly, who, who, is going to post a tinky little T.R. that stands up by comparison to the monumental monoliths of the trip reports of the Great Whazoo? Who?
That's the way I see it.
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Jefe that pretty much sums it up . I , like many would have to travel thousands of miles to even begin such adventurers . I have tried a few times to share my humble ramblings and hopefully will again . There is a saying on my desk that I read every day . " If I cannot do great things , I can do small things in a great way ". If one looks at the post count compared to the read count it gives some indication of the true value of even small TR .Hopefully the next generation will step up to continue the great TR' s . Just a reminder to all of us that all TR' s have value and instead of being intimidated , be greatful for the great ones .


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Posted: 01/13/19 09:35am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

jefe 4x4 wrote:

monumental monoliths of the trip reports of the Great Whazoo
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Absolutely -- inspirational and intimidating at the same time.


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whazoo wrote:

What's THIS? NO WHAZOO'S?! Too late, Whazoo's been there but in a Jeep. Good one Cal, trying to keep the Whazoo out of Cheslers Park. Also, that is exactly why I don't use frame mount tie downs, I don't have a torpedo winch to fix them. Great trip there Cal, didn't you do more in Beef Basin though? Lots of ruins there. The problem I've run in to with GMCs and rocks is that our massive third unit, yes it is thank you, hangs down so far that unless you're running 37 inch tires the diff gets hung up a bit. Talk about an expensive tow out, you'd have to get a Sikorsky. And if you did make it down and all the way to Elephant Hill, the backside of the hill would be problematic. Awesome trip Cal, you did the right thing. Let Jefe deal with the carnage, he actually enjoys it. :-)


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I would like to add a few items that The Whaz; Alex, Cal, and jefe; the four-down XTC-ers have in common in regards to vehicle prep.
1. All single rear wheel; all pre-smog (no soot bag, urea canister or D.E.F. tank) turbo diesel Chevy's, Ford, or Dodge RAM that were not in the, "do not buy" era. The Whaz and jefe have much sturdier aftermarket wheels. Both found the stock wheels to be insufficient.
2. 2 with the lightest, least tall, least wide, full featured Lance hard side TC's to traverse those pesky narrow trails.
3. 2 with OUTFITTER! pop up campers on 8 foot beds for a lower profile and better obstacle clearance.
4. 2 with winches: Alex's 17.8K pounder, and my 15K pound Warn.
5. All with a variety of traction devices to help when you get the axles all twisted up; 3 of them with traction aids, front and rear. The only truck with an open front diff belongs to Alex.
6. 2 with a small lift: Whaz's 6 inch and jefe's 3 inch suspension lift.
7. All with upper overload springs and/or Stable Loads or equivalent.
8. All have a lot of experience in the rough, half of the group coming from the hard core jeeping tradition, and the other two ready to push the envelope of what and where you can go with a well prepped truck camper.
These TC-ers have walked the walk and have improved their rigs over time.
jefe

* This post was edited 01/16/19 07:00pm by jefe 4x4 *

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Posted: 01/17/19 08:17am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Modest addition:
I have slightly sturdier wheels: 16x7 steel (not aluminum - never a bend, crack or other problem) GM 3500 wheels for my slightly oversize 265/75R16 tires.
I also have a winch. Deliberately smaller, with synthetic cable, so that I can mount it front or rear in the field. Combined with an 18,000 lb snatch block, that's up to 16,000 lb pull on the truck.

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