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Spent months shopping for a new Superduty, ended up ordering one that fit our criteria- XLT, Powerstroke, 3.55 rear-end, Camper package, fifth wheel, etc. We were debating back and forth between a F250 SRW and F350 SRW, ended up with the F250.

The dealer, technical specs in the promo material and everything else from Ford states the payload is 3,450 lbs. I knew with options this number would come down, especially with the diesel. But I was pretty shocked when the sticker on the door said the actual payload is 2,130 lbs. A whole 1,300 lbs less!! Our XLT is pretty basic, but I get it that the diesel and 4x4 adds to this weight, but a 2,130 payload is pretty light for any serious towing. I looked at a F350 SRW on the lot and the door sticker said 2,500 lbs, still really light.

Anyway, I'm not going to worry about it, I've pulled over 100,000 miles on an old F250 with lower ratings with the same camper with no issues. It's just really misleading all the material that is out there touting one number, but in real life, it's much different. My old truck was before the payload numbers were put on the door jamb, so I've been overweight for 17 years and didn't really know it. I have always been within my "owners manual" payload number and combined gross weights, but I'm sure I was 500+ lbs over on payload if they would have measured/reported payload the same in 2001.

I have to say, despite the disappointing door sticker payload numbers, you would never know it...these new trucks are light years ahead of the old ones in handling, power and stopping.

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What is the RAWR/Rear Tire Max Load Ratings on that F250?

Those are numbers that REALLY count.

Stay at or under those load ratings and GO Camping!


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I would be more than disappointed. Hopping mad. Heck, my well equipped 2015 Tahoe has a payload of 1,595.


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Old-Biscuit wrote:

What is the RAWR/Rear Tire Max Load Ratings on that F250?

Those are numbers that REALLY count.


Depends on what your counting?
If you buying a truck to tow with get an F350, 3500 or full one ton.
Brochure ratings are based on strip model best case scenario vs. a real world actual truck that is not stripped and has options.
Every pound of options reduces the GVWR.


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Ford specs have about a dozen different payload ratings each for the F250, F350 SRW, and the F350 DRW. Cab, bed, engine, even tire size, affect the payload rating. And the difference between the low and high of each is significant. Your salesman probably picked the F250 configuration with the highest rating and passed that off as the rating for all F250s.

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It’s been a while since i ordered a truck (2002) and when I did i didn’t care about anything other than tow rating.

Can you not get payload info for the truck you order when you order it?


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Bionic Man wrote:

It’s been a while since i ordered a truck (2002) and when I did i didn’t care about anything other than tow rating.

Can you not get payload info for the truck you order when you order it?


You would think you could get a payload rating within about 100# of actual when ordering. Manufactures should know the weight of each option or option group, and be able to determine within 100# what the curb weight of the truck will be.


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BB_TX wrote:

Ford specs have about a dozen different payload ratings each for the F250, F350 SRW, and the F350 DRW. Cab, bed, engine, even tire size, affect the payload rating. And the difference between the low and high of each is significant. Your salesman probably picked the F250 configuration with the highest rating and passed that off as the rating for all F250s.


Maybe I am missing the issue? I have never had a dealer slap handcuffs on me and lock me in a room until I signed the sales agreement. If you're not happy with the numbers on a certain new vehicle, why buy it, because the combinations are almost unlimited no matter who the manufacturer is, and at worst it will cost you a little more and possibly / most likely, some wait time.

Personally I would have no issue ordering a vehicle and if something was not as I expected when it came in telling the dealer to stick it. I guess if you signed some type of binding agreement beforehand, then thats a different story, but for the life of me I don't know why anyone would do that with anything.

Furthermore, while sitting at the campsite the week before, during, and the week after the holiday I did an unofficial, unscientific, and inebriated survey of what came in to a state park campground, and what left, as well as what I noticed while driving around the local area. I would say its over 80% 1/2 ton trucks towing TT's @ or in excess of 30', and a fair amount of 5ers to boot. And throw in the mix a lot of mid size SUV's towing all kinds of TT's some @ 29'-30'. The only place people worry about payloads is on this and other RV boards. The vast majority of the RV towing public think payload is when you cash your paycheck at the bank and they hand you a load of money. Despite the state park having 280 sites, and 4 or 5 other parks in the general area with probably over 2000+ sites total, I did not see one breakdown or one rig in splinters along any of the roads. I did smell some burning brakes from time to time going down the mountain.

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Ralph Cramden wrote:

BB_TX wrote:

Ford specs have about a dozen different payload ratings each for the F250, F350 SRW, and the F350 DRW. Cab, bed, engine, even tire size, affect the payload rating. And the difference between the low and high of each is significant. Your salesman probably picked the F250 configuration with the highest rating and passed that off as the rating for all F250s.


Maybe I am missing the issue? I have never had a dealer slap handcuffs on me and lock me in a room until I signed the sales agreement. If you're not happy with the numbers on a certain new vehicle, why buy it, because the combinations are almost unlimited no matter who the manufacturer is, and at worst it will cost you a little more and possibly / most likely, some wait time.

Personally I would have no issue ordering a vehicle and if something was not as I expected when it came in telling the dealer to stick it. I guess if you signed some type of binding agreement beforehand, then thats a different story, but for the life of me I don't know why anyone would do that with anything.

Furthermore, while sitting at the campsite the week before, during, and the week after the holiday I did an unofficial, unscientific, and inebriated survey of what came in to a state park campground, and what left, as well as what I noticed while driving around the local area. I would say its over 80% 1/2 ton trucks towing TT's @ or in excess of 30', and a fair amount of 5ers to boot. And throw in the mix a lot of mid size SUV's towing all kinds of TT's some @ 29'-30'. The only place people worry about payloads is on this and other RV boards. The vast majority of the RV towing public think payload is when you cash your paycheck at the bank and they hand you a load of money. Despite the state park having 280 sites, and 4 or 5 other parks in the general area with probably over 2000+ sites total, I did not see one breakdown or one rig in splinters along any of the roads. I did smell some burning brakes from time to time going down the mountain.


Those unofficial surveys are just that "unofficial"
It really depends on where you are at. Go to a local state park and you will find lots of vehicles that reflect the people did not travel very far to get there.
Go to a destination park and you will find vehicles that reflect these people traveled a long way.
Vehicle size and type will be the result of how you camp and how far you travel. The farther from home you travel the more concerned you will become about your towing parameters.

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When ORDERING a new SuperDuty with a diesel engine, it just makes more sense to get the 350. While the 250 diesel, with camper package is just as capable as the SRW 350, it is limited to 10k GVWR for registration purposes. You can choose your GVWR on the 350, so payload number can vary, even though the truck is the same. It is simply the final curb wt of truck, as ordered, minus the GVWR ordered.

In reality, if the 250 diesel is not capable, you may as well move right to the 350 DRW.

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