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Posted: 12/07/18 01:15pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The name specification is based on the construction. Look for building specifications on the various types to find the differences.

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Posted: 12/08/18 03:33am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mgirardo wrote:

SC camper wrote:

A few busy bodies, that feel the need to try and point out anything that they dont like, are the ones trying to be heard. A homeowner asked about the "violations" people were complaining about. One of the busy bodies spouted off about boats and campers were not allowed.


We have an owner like that in our neighborhood, we call him the mayor. He tells people they can't park their U-Haul in their driveway, even while they were still moving in! He told a new homeowner that it is illegal to block a path some neighborhood kids made on the new owner's property so they could cut through the new owner's yard to get to the school next to our neighborhood. Everyone knows the mayor [emoticon]

I am glad it worked out for you.

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The "Mayor" needs to meet "Big Mitch".
Mitch is a heck of a nice guy - would give you the shirt off his back.

Irvine, CA (where Mitch was living at the time) is notorious for HOA / CCRs that limit what homeowners and businesses can and can't do. VERY restrictive.

One of those prohibits homeowners from working on cars. Big Mitch was out in front of his home, opened the hood of his new pickup (parked in his driveway) to check the oil level.

A guy who regularly walked his small dog past Mitch's house every day just happened to be passing by......commented what Mitch was doing was prohibited!

Without a word, Mitch walked over to the spot on his lawn where the walker's dog had just left a deposit (a daily occurrence, with NO cleanup), picked it up walked back to the "complainant" (dog walker) - and smeared it down the front of the dog walker's shirt.

Mitch never saw the dog walker again!

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I can honestluy say that I lived in a "house trailer" many years ago. It was a 22 foot "M System" house trailer. It did not have any 12 VDC wiring or lights. It had an oil burner heater. It had a gas kitchen range and an electric water heater. It had no fresh water tank, nor any waste water holding tanks. It was definitely NOT any kind of "RV"!
Years later, we lived in a 14X70 3 bedroom Mobile Home. It had 2X6 exterior wall studs, asphalt shingles on the roof, 200 AMP AC service, electric 40 gallon water heater, all the comforts of a site-built house. In fact, it was better built than some site built homes! It, too, was definitely NOT an RV!
The situation described by the OP is exactly why, when we were looking for a home after three years of full-timing, I did not want any HOA. CCRs are irrelevant, because without an HOAS there is nobody to enforce them. We have a few (VERY few) CCRs, but no HOA. I like it that way.
I hope the OP got things settled in his favor.


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Posted: 12/09/18 12:53am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

DownTheAvenue wrote:

SC camper wrote:

We have been living in our sticks and bricks neighborhood for eleven years. Neighborhood has HOA with covenants. We moved into this neighborhood because the covenants didnt prohibit rv campers. Covenant reads "No house trailer or mobile home shall be placed on any lot either temporarily or permanently". Further in the covenant stats "All boats, trailers and all vehicles other than automobiles shall be kept under suitable cover". We filed a request, with site plan, for a travel trailer cover(Adco designer) and location on our lot where the tt will be stored. Request was approved and its been no problem since.
Now there are other homeowners saying that campers are prohibited. Campers and rv's are "house trailers". Anyone dealt with this terminology in a HOA Covenant before? Thanks for any input.


Your best bet is to get the US Department of Housing's definitions of a mobile home and a RV, and the Recreational Vehicle Industry Association's definition of a recreational vehicle. Lacking any definition in your Covenants, those would be the go to definitions. Your state may have some as well, even your county, but they probably mirror the federal definition.

Suitable cover is so vague as to be meaningless. However, your HOA Board approved your cover, so the whole issue seems a moot point.

Your HOA Board as an example can make rule that no one can have a blue truck, but that does not mean every one has to get rid of their blue truck. But no one can buy a new blue truck. The Board can agree that from this point forward no RVs but they cant rescind the current rule for you.


FHA definitions can help but unless the covenant specifically calls out "as defined by FHA" (or similar). It is only supporting evidence and not definitive. As there is no standard universally applied definition, they are in a very weak contractual position to force you to remove it.

Also with your "blue truck" example. If you have an existing blue truck grandfathered in, you typically would be able to get another blue truck and be grandfathered still. The grandfathering establishes that you entered the HOA with the understanding you can have a blue truck, so it would be a change in the Contract terms to take that option away. This is important if you get a new RV, you have already established that you entered the HOA with the understanding that an RV is not a house trailer. Now if you went 10yrs without a blue truck, it becomes a gray area as it undermines the argument that having a blue truck was critical to your decision to accept a house with a HOA.

Again, if the OP has a letter stating that his RV is not a house trailer, he has a clear upper hand assuming there isn't a clause in the current HOA Contract that says they can change that rule. They would have to demonstrate that the letter was a mistake AND that it had no bearing on the OP buying the house.


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Posted: 12/09/18 10:06am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Not saying this is right or wrong... when our county started taxing in our RV park. The county decided their deciding line was any structure with sliding glass door were "attched" to the lot and taxed the lot with a structure on the property.

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