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Posted: 01/09/19 05:41pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Don't tow if you want good mpg.


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old guy wrote:

You will be sorry if you get a 1/2 ton to tow that kind of weight.


Ditto.

And with the likely minimal difference in price between the two, it's a more logical choice to go 3/4 ton.


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twodownzero wrote:

danrclem wrote:

Eric 18 wrote:

Thank You All for the responses!
I'm pretty set on truck size. I'll be buying new. We're going to go with a lighter weight trailer, per the majority of thoughts.
The truck will be my daily driver, and will be trading in a 14 GT Mustang for it.
My wife & I love the sense of community we find RVing. It seems to be the same here!
Thanks Again, Happy New Year!


I think you're on the right track here. If you get a 3.5 ecoboost and a heavy duty package you should be set. It may not get the greatest mileage while towing but would be a lot better than a gas 3/4 ton when empty. If you're getting a bumper hitch camper make sure you get the rear view camera. It makes it so much easier when you're hitching it by yourself.


Couldn't more strongly disagree with this if I tried. Towing anywhere close to what they say you can tow with a 1/2 ton truck is scary. Doing it with a 3.5L V6 in insane.

I don't own one, but from what I have read online, the engines are worked to death even empty. I doubt you'd see more than 1-2 mpg over a 3/4 ton gasoline truck empty. And the torque difference, loaded or unloaded, is not trivial.

Do the research on what people really are getting for fuel mileage with these things. The ecoboost is not doing any better in the real world than a small V8.


I believe you also said in a recent post that "enough" capacity was not enough for you and that you were really only comfortable with far more "capacity" than required. I'm paraphrasing.
While this is fine, and I agree that generally more = better, it should not be used as an excuse to exaggerate your personal claims into perceived absolutes.


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FishOnOne wrote:

BenK wrote:

the why of an internal engine oil spray system squirting to the bottom of the pistons to keep the pistons from melting...that they are forced fed with enough air/fuel to be in the same volumetric arena of a big block (that tiny displacement consumes about the same volumes of air and fuel as my big block)...and a big ETC, ETC...



Todays large cubic inch diesels spray oil to the bottom of the pistons too and are forced fed with a turbo as well.

Your convincing me everyday that your not a logical engineer but more of a jealous old fan boy.


Yup. Some of the posts here get more entertaining by the day.

On a separate note, I'm looking for so replacement shoes for my Praise dyno brakes...

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Thanks All!
We're going to go with a lighter weight trailer. I don't want to be near the 10K Mark loaded.
The reason for the switch is overall cost of ownership with the class C.
My wife & I currently have 3 cars, plus the motor home. The motor home alone is $1,000 a year in insurance, plus the 5-7 MPG to use it. Too often we take a separate car to drive once we're parked. Scaling down to 1 car & a truck, & trailer. Plus, we only live 2 miles from my work.
Going back over 30 years, I only average about 7,000 miles a year on any car.
My daily driver Mustang averages about 14MPG in the city & 24 on the highway (or worse depending on how much fun I want to have) Daily driver in a 1/2 ton shouldn't be too much lower than that.
I'm used to driving the class C, so the whole truck-trailer driving experience will be new.
Thanks Again for the info!
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I own and triple tow with a 2016 F150 3.5L Ecoboost. Truck is rated to haul 11,000 pounds off the bumper and 12,000 pounds with a 5th wheel. My total vehicle weight rating is 6,900 pounds with a 2078 pounds payload. Supercab with 6.5' box. I tow a 5th wheel with a max weight rating of 7,000 pounds. Empty is at 6,000 pounds. Behind that I tow a 16' deep-v aluminum boat and stainless steel roller trailer which weighs 2,300 pounds fully loaded. My combined trailer max load is 9,300 pounds. truck weighs 5,400 pounds fully loaded with me, the wife, dogs, fuel and all the gadgets. That leave 1,500 pounds available for pin weight. I drive 60 mph and my engine runs at about 1,700 rpms. My fuel mileage is 9-11mpg depending on head winds. If I slow down to 55mph I average 11-12mpg. The F150 also serves as my daily driver and I average 19-20pmg around town and 24.4mpg on the interstate. When I tow only the boat I average 17-18mpg on the interstate. Those are real numbers.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the cost of repairs. Older vehicles will start to nickel and dime you to death. Sure it's paid for, but I would get tired of it being broke all the time and spend time fixing it instead of camping.

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The F150 with 3.5L Ecoboost engine comes with a tow/haul button, and a Supersport button. It CAN be more fun to drive than your old Mustang. Plus, based on your posted gas mileage, it might actually do better than the Mustang, at least around town.

Eric 18 wrote:

Thanks All!
We're going to go with a lighter weight trailer. I don't want to be near the 10K Mark loaded.
The reason for the switch is overall cost of ownership with the class C.
My wife & I currently have 3 cars, plus the motor home. The motor home alone is $1,000 a year in insurance, plus the 5-7 MPG to use it. Too often we take a separate car to drive once we're parked. Scaling down to 1 car & a truck, & trailer. Plus, we only live 2 miles from my work.
Going back over 30 years, I only average about 7,000 miles a year on any car.
My daily driver Mustang averages about 14MPG in the city & 24 on the highway (or worse depending on how much fun I want to have) Daily driver in a 1/2 ton shouldn't be too much lower than that.
I'm used to driving the class C, so the whole truck-trailer driving experience will be new.
Thanks Again for the info!
Eric


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Awesome info Hanr3!
Thank You for breaking it down into numbers.

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Eric 18 wrote:

Awesome info Hanr3!
Thank You for breaking it down into numbers.


You are welcome.
KZ just introduced a new line of 5th wheels that are 1/2 ton towable and average around 10,000 pounds. The Durango series. I have a KZ Sportsmen series, model 231rk. Only 25'4" long, however my restriction is a length limit of 60' front bumper of the truck to rear bumper of the boat trailer. I have 9" to spare. The Durango series also comes with a bumper hitch and is rated to tow 3,000 pounds behind the 5er. I'm really impressed with all the features on my camper. So far my only two complaints are related to winter camping and both I am in the process of correcting. Adding a heat vent to blow across the floor of the living area and adding heat tape to the grey and black tank drain lines. Otherwise the camper has been perfect. Even got my wife's seal of approval, and she isn't a camper.

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Hanr3 wrote:

The F150 also serves as my daily driver and I average 19-20pmg around town and 24.4mpg on the interstate.


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