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colliehauler

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Posted: 01/06/19 08:36am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

DownTheAvenue wrote:

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1. Any question regarding the salvage title must be addressed to your state's DMV, as anyone posting here about their state or personal experience is not helpful.
2. You also need to check with your insurance carrier, as some will not insure anything with a salvage title.
3. Laws vary state to state, but Camping World materially misrepresented the RV, and you probably have significant recourse the least of which would be to return the RV and get your money back. Buying "as is" refers to the condition, not the legality of ownership. You should contact the Attorney General of the state where your purchased the RV.
How would it be a question of ownership when he has a valid salvage title?


You are right that was a poor choice of words, I should have said marketable title.
How do you know what was said in the transaction or the sales contract? Who would think it wasn't salvage with extensive damage and a salvage price of $550. ?

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Ok, to answer some questions and my thoughts.

My primary reason for wanting this camper is that it has a nice awning and my camper that I bought a couple of months ago was missing it's awning and this one was a perfect fit. The list price was $311 and it listed on the site just like any other. I knew that it must be damaged but the worst case I could take the awning and then pull out any other parts that were usable.

I called my father and he was interested in it for a property that he owns. We almost walked away from it when they gave me the final price and it was $995 after all the fees.

I told them that if the fees were going to make it that expensive no one would be willing to buy it. They dropped the sale price to $1 but with still the fees so that the sale price became $552.

I would have bought it even with the salvage title but I would have liked to know it.

On inspection of the unit, I found that there seemed to be nothing that didn't work, only an extremely damaged floor. That would allow my father, who is very capable of fully repairing it to do those repairs and if he choose to sell it he could or he could keep and use it.

I don't like that his options are limited or that we will have to go though extra steps that without being made aware of them.

I was also hoping that someone here had experience with something similar to this in either Kentucky or Indiana and might be able to give me an idea of our options. Hell, I'm not even sure that I can title the camper in Indiana and transfer it to my father.

As for the "B2" rating, that comes from Kentucky's code for manufactured housing:
"The Manufactured Housing Section issues two 2)types of seals when conducting inspections.
A. B1 - This is a seal issued to a unit that has satisfactorily passed and
inspection and is deemed safe for Human Occupancy.

B. B2 - This is a seal issued to a unit that has not passed an inspection and is deemed not safe for human occupancy.
Manufactured home units shall only be sold for the purpose of use as a storage or utility building."

I did not realize that a dealer could sell a vehicle that could not be registered to drive on the road without telling you such. Hell, I'm not sure it was legal for me to tow it to Dad's but they did give me dealer tags so....

No, I would have bought it with the salvage title, but I think it was crappy business to not make sure I was informed of it only because it limits my options on what to do with it.

I also think it is incredibility bad business to not disclose all of your fees on your website when you accept online offers. There really should be something to alert me as to the fees (beyond just sales tax) that I will need to pay as part of my purchase and in addition to the accepted price.

Thank you for all the input so far. I look forward to other ideas and suggestions.

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Posted: 01/06/19 11:45am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You need to realize that most of your responses here are for motor vehicle laws and you have a TRAILER. Most of the time it is different rules. You bought a as is trailer for $1.00 plus fees. What did you really think you were getting? You knew it was classed as B2.


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Hum,,,, I wonder if you rebuilt it completely (technically anyway) that you could call it a Homemade trailer and just apply for a new title ? You would have to remove all of the manufactures insignia and such. I have no idea the legality of this. It is just a thought . I am not recommending that you do, or do not do, anything like this.

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you really need to go and talk with someone at your local licensing agency. and do what they tell you you have to do. I would think that Camping World should have been required to have you sign a form that states that this vehicle had a salvage title. it protects them and you both. I would check the law on this. here in Oregon I believe its required.
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Posted: 01/06/19 12:46pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

colliehauler wrote:

DownTheAvenue wrote:

colliehauler wrote:

DownTheAvenue wrote:

1. Any question regarding the salvage title must be addressed to your state's DMV, as anyone posting here about their state or personal experience is not helpful.
2. You also need to check with your insurance carrier, as some will not insure anything with a salvage title.
3. Laws vary state to state, but Camping World materially misrepresented the RV, and you probably have significant recourse the least of which would be to return the RV and get your money back. Buying "as is" refers to the condition, not the legality of ownership. You should contact the Attorney General of the state where your purchased the RV.
How would it be a question of ownership when he has a valid salvage title?


You are right that was a poor choice of words, I should have said marketable title.
How do you know what was said in the transaction or the sales contract? Who would think it wasn't salvage with extensive damage and a salvage price of $550. ?


I don't know. But I do know what the OP posted in the initial post. He said, if you had read the post, that they did not tell him it had a salvage title. Apparently, he was not put on notice, either in writing or verbally, about the salvage title. It is now a moot point, however, since the OP has stated that he would have bought it anyway with the salvage title.

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Yes, DownTheAvenue, I would have bought it, but I can't with certainty say that my father would have, so I guess I feel cheated on his behalf and am working on the options to present to him on it, because I will have to do that work and I want to minimize it while maximizing his value.

CavemanCharlie, Yes I would have that option. Actually I don't think I would even have to remove the logos but we can rebuild it and get a new title issued as a rebuilt with a new VIN but in Indiana it is a long drawn out process with multiple trips to the BMV and from the police. It is an option of last resort.

Yes, Bird Freak, They told me upfront that it was rated "B2" but they explained it as just not passing their inspection as being ready to use, saying that it would need extensive repair. I didn't know it was a legal classification in Kentucky until after the sell and they never did explain to me what it meant. I really thought we were getting a trailer that was in too bad of shape for them to sell for a profit and that they just wanted to get it off the lot before they had to add it to the end of year inventory.

I really do feel that Camping World of Georgetown was negligent in not explaining to me what "B2" meant and in not being up front and telling me it was a salvage title. Even if I would have still bought it in the end, the fact is that this was not disclosed to me until the title showed up in my mailbox a week later and that is upsetting. I feel that they meant to cheat me. The fact that it might not hurt me in the end is irrelevant, because I will now have jump though hoops that I didn't know I would have to, including having to research my options.

I have the added issue that even though I live 6/10th of a mile from the Kentucky boarder and work there, I do live in Indiana and this camper has a Kentucky Salvage title. I'm not even positive that camping world filled out the paperwork right or can legally even transfer said title.

So the long and the short of it is, I bought a mess and I'm not happy about it. I'm happy about the purchase and even the condition of the camper. I'm not happy about the legal **** that came with it.


Thanks for the input so far.

Suggestions are still welcome. If you are going to say "what did you expect" then please don't. Enough people have asked that already and it is answered in my responses.

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Posted: 01/06/19 03:14pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Because the dealer is in Kentucky, check out THIS. If you scroll down to Transferring ownership, there is a link to report suspected fraudulent titling practices under the "Selling a Vehicle to an Out-of-State Resident" paragraph. You might want to check with them.


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Posted: 01/06/19 03:30pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Not trying to be unsympathetic. I had something similar happen many years ago. I purchased a repo car from a bank as is. When I got the title it was a salvage-rebuilt. The car had a book of about $3500 and I paid 1250. I drove the car two or three years and purchased a new car, same make and model. Since it had a salvage-rebuilt title I did not even try to sell it. I donated the car to the Humane Society and took the tax write off.

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