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Dusty R

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Posted: 01/12/19 03:40pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

During the first energy crunch I took class, at a local community collage, on alternate source of energy. There is was said that Michigan ranked 47th out of the 48 continual states of available sunshine.
Have any of you campers with solar panels camped in Michigan and noticed less power being produced?

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lookup Sunfrost refrigerators and/or solar off-grid fridge


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Dusty R wrote:


Have any of you campers with solar panels camped in Michigan and noticed less power being produced?

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Do not have solar but Detroit Energery does. the Lapeer Solar Farm (It has a different name but you can google on that one and find it)

Big field of solar panels on the North side of I-69 east of Lapeer. I pass it often in the summer.


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Ivylog wrote:

My EnergyStar Whirlpool 21 cuft draws 9 amps DC measure before the inverter...96 Watts. Its duty cycle is 40-45% confirmed with a KW meter...1.2-1.3 KW/day. 3X the size on 50% more power and half the price of DC powered units. Not a hard decision.

Very impressive numbers ! Clearly a great refrigerator for a large family !

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Dusty R wrote:

Have any of you campers with solar panels camped in Michigan and noticed less power being produced?

Most people camp in MI during the summer months and there are more hours of sun from May through September than any other time if the year.

Of course, many campsites in MI are under trees !

Add more solar panels and don't park under the trees !!

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After some modifications my Norcold (nevercold) has been working well. If it ever fails I am going to replace the cooling unit with a compressor cooling unit from JC Refrigeration. They have several options including compressor only, Double boiler absorption, Hybrid, and helium filled.JC-Refrigeration


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I have a 1.8 cubic foot Vitrifrigo c51is, now 6 years old which then was assembled in Italy, now tey re assembled in China, big surprise right?

. I boought DC only as if I have Ac available My meanwell powersupply can make more than enought to continue powering the fridge on DC as well as properly charging my battery.

The compressor is the Danfoss Secop BD35f, and these are variable RPM. more RPM means lesser duty cycle but bigger amp draw.

I run mine at the minimum 2K rpm and this starts at about 2.8 amps and declines to 2.2 amps nearer the end of the compressor cycle~ 5 minutes later. The duty cycle depends on ambient temperature the contents and how much I am opening the door of course, but keeping it closed half full at 32.5 f in 70F ambients it is about 4:30 on and 14 to 16 minutes off.

max RPM is 3500 rpm and I think this correlates to about 5.5 amps. not sure, never installed the resistor to increase rpm to that range and have no need to do so on this size fridge.

Next compressor size up for larger units is the Danfoss BD50. No experience with it.

I did have a Norcold with a sawafuji swing compressor that lasted about 5 years. Noisy vibrating annoying and not wuite as efficient..

mine averaged about 0.62AH each hour consumption in 70F ambient temperatures maintaining 32.5f interior teps as I use it. but I have added extra insulation on 5 sides, and my condenser ventilation is optimized with a better fan that has No chance of recycling air the condenser or compressor has already heated.

I've no experience running a residential fridge from an inverter, but I highly doubt I could ever get it to consume as little as my Danfoss powered 12/24 compressor fridge. I suspect a large enoough inverter and the extra batteries and charging required to power it would eat up any potential cost savings of a dorm/ residential fridge over as 12vDc fridge at least in the size fridge I am using.

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Vitrifrigo has always been and still is assembled in Italy, they just built new, bigger production facilities last year. No way are these made in China!!!

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Dusty R wrote:

During the first energy crunch I took class, at a local community collage, on alternate source of energy. There is was said that Michigan ranked 47th out of the 48 continual states of available sunshine.
Have any of you campers with solar panels camped in Michigan and noticed less power being produced?

Dusty


Newer panels do much better with partial sun. Germany, a shady country, gets about 10% of its energy from solar.


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I have had, and do have, both. Typical propane rv fridges, and I have an ARB 50 quart "cooler" with the Danfoss compressor.

It is a toss up for me but propane will run forever rain or shine.
*Propane has to be level is why I like the ARB compressor fridge.
The propane fridge is more powerful, and bigger cabinet and has separate freezer than my ARB.


*I have solar, so it is free to run as long as there is sun. 200 watts minimun, 300+ better since you will be using other battery powered items.
I can go 3 days before the two batteries are weak if rainy or too cloudy or too far north.
Does not have to be level which can be nice when stopping along the way or having to park (not camp) on a slope.
But you do have to be aware of power usage as the fridge will need most of the available power, forget running the inverter for any length of time at night (though in daytime power is abundant).

If a camper came with either one i would not stress, both are good.
If you go from house to campground and always camp on the level pads, then propane is best.
If you boondock or travel in the camper a lot parking to sightsee and want to leave fridge on then electric fridge works easier.

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