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Posted: 02/27/19 01:08am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Bionic Man wrote:

Dead horse here but it depends on the trailer.

On our first RV I never used it. When we changed to our current trailer with our old short bed truck I needed the slide every time I took it home.

And I agree with those that say if you need a sliding hitch to spend the extra $ and get an auto slider. They are more expensive but not needing to stop, drop landing gear, slide, put gear back up gets to be a pain.
Stop and drop the landing gear to slide the hitch? Why on earth would you do that?

I have a Ram short box with a B&W companion slider. To slide, I get out and unlock the hitch with the handle, apply full brakes to the fiver using the controller to lock them up, and pull ahead slowly. The hitch slides back and locks. I only drop the landing gear when I'm ready to unhook. Backing up with it slid back is actually easier. I can stick it in the same spot in my driveway every time.

I have a modern fifth wheel with the rounded corners and need it to back into my driveway and some camp sites.

So, mindful of the comments of you don't need one, I didn't slide it back the very first time I brought it home - I can tell you that the turning radius on my 2017 truck was more than enough to enable contact with the cab as evidenced by the sound of breaking glass.

Maybe the comments about the Ram having the hitch placement the closest of the three are correct, but decide for yourself.

Also, when considering an auto slider, make sure you can back into it at an angle. The ones I researched required the ability to back straight in.

So if I was only going to pull through spots or had a huge property, maybe I'd never need to slide it. I don't need to slide it when backing into my space at storage.

That's my experience - good luck with your decision.


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They are more expensive but not needing to stop, drop landing gear, slide, put gear back up gets to be a pain.


No, you do not drop the landing gear. As stated and per the hitch user guide, you manually lock the brakes on the trailer.

If the nose of the trailer is close in a parking lot, all it takes is one side of the RV to be on unlevel ground at the campground backing and you may tap your cab or worse your window.

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Rwake901 wrote:

Who has a 6 1/2 ft bed and doesn’t use a sliding hitch? I’ve had two RV dealers and the company that makes the 5th wheel we are interested in tell me I don’t need a sliding hitch with a standard 6 1/2 ft bed. But when I go to Curt’s website (the maker of the hitch) they tell me I do need a sliding hitch. (Plus I emailed them) Who do I believe? I’ve read some other posts where people say they have one but never use it. Thanks for the help.

Curts website doesn't know what your trailers front corner profile looks like and others that don't know will say get a sliding hitch.

Pay close attention to Dayle1 reply in his first paragraph where he says:
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You don't need a slider if you can remember to pay attention. But as already stated some of that depends on the variables. Bed length is not an issue. Cab-to-axle (CA) distance is , GM is the longest, Ford just a little less and Ram is the shortest. Then fiver cap design is the other big factor.***

Many GM owners with the newer rounded/notched front corner profile don't need a sliding hitch at any angle mainly because of that longer C/A (back of the trucks cab to the trucks rear axle). Also installing the hitch with the pin zero over the rear axle helps also. The last 3 trucks I've owned were crew cab short beds and always have my pins zero over the axle.

The larger RV dealers who carry several hitch brands and installation can help you there.

Others like myself have a Dodge with a 6' 4" bed and pull a older '97 30' 5th wheel trailer with flat square front corners. Sure I need a sliding hitch but its seldom used.
I have found that backing with the hitch slid back all the way places the pin 10"-11" behind the trucks rear axle.....this causes the trailer to react quicker with less steering input while backing in a really tight/twisty situation.


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Rwake901 wrote:

Who has a 6 1/2 ft bed and doesn’t use a sliding hitch? I’ve had two RV dealers and the company that makes the 5th wheel we are interested in tell me I don’t need a sliding hitch with a standard 6 1/2 ft bed. But when I go to Curt’s website (the maker of the hitch) they tell me I do need a sliding hitch. (Plus I emailed them) Who do I believe? I’ve read some other posts where people say they have one but never use it. Thanks for the help.


I have a B&W Companion, non-slider, in my 6.5' D'max. I =have= taken out my back window with my old, very square-front Komfort, while backing up; just got impatient and was turning one way while looking the other. I could =not= hit my cab, turning R or L at full lock, when going forward. ALL will hit when backing up; a slider just gives you more time before you =will= hit. With my new KZ, I have even more room, since it has cut-away front corners. So, with care and patience, you shouldn't need a slider. There are any number of posts from people who have sliders, never used them, then, when they decided they =did= need to use it, the thing was rusted so bad that they couldn't move it.

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No you don't "need" a slider. Just like you don't "need" a seatbelt when riding in a vehicle. Until you do.
I went through this same questioning when I moved to a 5th wheel. My issue was, I can buy an auto-slider and never have to worry again or I can by a manual slider and wonder every time if I should make the effort to get out and slide the hitch.
I don't regret the auto slider one bit.
Now, everyone is different. If you are skilled at backing a 5th wheel you will probably never have to jack it much past 45 degrees to get it where you want it. If you are not skilled..... you will be approaching 90 degrees often. This can be a very good determining factor as to what kind of hitch you want.


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No you do not need a slider in my experience with newer 5er's I have a 6 1/2 ft Crew Cab short bed GMC with a Reese 18K NON slider and never had any problems in this last year of owning it and yes I have made many tight turns backing up with room to spare to the back window and I knew I would not have a problem as My buddy has had a Ford Short bed for years with no slider and never had any problems the key here is NEWER 5er's with a curved cap like was said before

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schlep1967 wrote:

No you don't "need" a slider. Just like you don't "need" a seatbelt when riding in a vehicle. Until you do.
I went through this same questioning when I moved to a 5th wheel. My issue was, I can buy an auto-slider and never have to worry again or I can by a manual slider and wonder every time if I should make the effort to get out and slide the hitch.
I don't regret the auto slider one bit.
Now, everyone is different. If you are skilled at backing a 5th wheel you will probably never have to jack it much past 45 degrees to get it where you want it. If you are not skilled..... you will be approaching 90 degrees often. This can be a very good determining factor as to what kind of hitch you want.


The amount of degrees you have to back into a spot, can't be determined by your skill , if there is room you can back in at 45 degrees , anything will eventually given the room will get to where you want at 20 degrees. Your statement does not make sense.

I have a manual slider , I don't use. I also have a Andersen hitch, that is no issue in backing. Yes sir it is a skill to back a fifth wheel , and if you need a auto slider then so be it. Many don't.

Its a situational awareness event, and if you don't have awareness of what you are doing then sliders are not of much use.

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twodownzero wrote:

get an auto slider. Don't ask how I know.



Pretty sure I don't need to ask, its situational awareness , and there was no awareness.

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Posted: 02/28/19 04:44am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

somebody wrote:

You don't need a slider if you can remember to pay attention. But as already stated some of that depends on the variables.
ya - one of those variables is a blind spot. If you don't have one of those, you can pay a lot more attention to how close the rounded corner of your modern fifth wheel is coming to your cab.

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