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MitchF150

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Ha, I've got an F150 with #11,000 tow rating and only tow a #5,000 GVWR TT with it... I'd go to around #7500 GVWR on the trailer if I wanted a new trailer with this truck, but for me, I just don't like the new trailers out there for the price they want for them compared to what I have with my 2003 trailer..

It was the first trailer I bought brand new and I still get offers from total strangers to buy it from me! I just tell them, thank you, but not for sale...

Anyway, Good luck with it all.. I have looked at new travel trailers for the last 10 years or so and I always just walk away thinking "what a pos"....

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robsb1234 wrote:

2014 F150 4x4 supercab 5.0L engine 3.55 axle ratio
Rated curb weight:5460#
GVWR:7350#
Payload: 1890#
GCW: 13500#
Max rated trailer weight:7800#
8000# e2 2 point sway control round bar weight distribution hitch
So, what do you think?


So if You're at 1000 tongue weight using the numbers above, you have 890# of payload left.

Subtract the weight of the people and pets that will be riding with you.
Subtract the weight of anything you carry in the cab or the bed of the truck. FOr me it's things like a cooler, extra propane tank, chairs, bikes or kayak's, table, cornhole boards, etc.

If you do the above and you still have a positive number left, your good and that is your safety margin. If your negative number, you need to get to a positive number by either eliminating weight or downsizing the camper to give you a better safety margin.


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How much you can tow





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“Rated tow weight on my truck is only 7800#,“

That’s only one of the two most important numbers. What’s your TV payload?


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robsb1234 wrote:

2014 F150 4x4 supercab 5.0L engine 3.55 axle ratio
Rated curb weight:5460#
GVWR:7350#
Payload: 1890#
GCW: 13500#
Max rated trailer weight:7800#
8000# e2 2 point sway control round bar weight distribution hitch
So, what do you think?


You know the trailer will be right up against the tow weight.

OK so trailer at about 1000 lbs tongue against payload, add 100 for WDH.
You have 790 left for cargo in truck bed, passengers in cab and what the kids want to carry with them.

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Based strictly on the floor plans, definitely the Jayco.

The Jayco is 33' long and the Grey Wolf is 31.7' These are both getting to be long-ish TTs...

Always ignore dry weights and go by GVWR. Jayco is 8750 lbs and Grey Wolf is 7725 lbs. Allow 12-13% for actual tongue weights. The Jayco could be as much as 1,100 lbs and the Grey Wolf 1,000 lbs. These TWs could be less but you won't know for sure until you go to a scale after it's fully loaded for camping. The WDH will add approx. 100 lbs. Sometimes TW can be up to around 15%, like in our case.

Truck has 1890 lbs payload rating. Similarly, you won't know exactly what it is for sure until you take it to a scale. If you've added any upgrades like a cap, bedliner for ex., that will take away from the rating. Load the truck up with all passengers, pets and camping stuff you'd typically take, fill up the fuel tank and get it weighed. The weight of all this additional payload could be in the 500-1,000 lb range or even higher.

Looks to me like you will be near or over the GCWR & payload rating on the truck. Even *if* just under the numbers, it doesn't mean it will be a good towing experience, especially if you plan to travel longer distances and often. Personally, I think both TTs are too much for the current truck.

What are the axle ratings on these TTs and what specs do the tires have? What frame type? One-piece I-beam or the 3-piece welded up type? Jayco used to be generally well regarded but Thor Industries bought them out (along with many other brands) and I don't know if the quality has gone downhill or not.

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robsb1234 wrote:

2014 F150 4x4 supercab 5.0L engine 3.55 axle ratio
Rated curb weight:5460#
GVWR:7350#
Payload: 1890#
GCW: 13500#
Max rated trailer weight:7800#
8000# e2 2 point sway control round bar weight distribution hitch
So, what do you think?


Is that the payload number from the door sticker on your truck? Or is it from a brochure or towing guide? You'll want to use the door sticker number, which is the actual payload of your particular vehicle, as equipped from the factory.


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Posted: 03/12/19 10:36am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

From the numbers above, the Jayco is too much weight and the Grey Wolf would be pushing it.

I've got a 2015 GMC with a payload of 2015 (from the door sticker) and am maxed with my Cougar gross weight of 8,200 lbs. My max trailer is 10,800, but I run out of payload.


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Good points everyone. Payload from door sticker is 1644#.

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robsb1234 wrote:

Good points everyone. Payload from door sticker is 1644#.


You will have a tough time with any of the trailers you are looking at.

Realize that the ~250 lb difference in payload numbers, from the brochure to the sticker, equates to ~ 2,000 lbs less trailer weight (using 12.5% for tongue weight).

So a 5,000 lb trailer will have a tongue weight of ~625 lbs.
A 7,000 lb trailer will have a tongue weight of ~875 lbs.

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