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A year ago I traded my 2003 diesel for a 2013 Newmar Canyon Star, it had 24,000 miles on it at the time. That is about average for a 5 year old motor home that someone has used and enjoyed. My 2003 had 67,000 miles on it 40,000 0f that was put on the last 5 years I had it.


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Speaking of miles. I’m looking at some DP’s 02-07 with 89-130k miles. I know what to expect from the F53 (V-10) chassis. But why should I look for as fat as the chassis goes for diesels. I would like to have a Cummins as that is what I know. Anything as far as the air brakes and air bags to look for? What is the life expectancy of the air bags. Any type of wear or maintainance I should look out for!


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rgatijnet1 wrote:

The key to any MH purchase is how it was maintained while it was being used and how it was kept when not in use.


IMO, this is the key to your future RV happiness. That, it's current condition, and making sure that there was no previous substantial accident damage. Everything else is small stuff.

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Thank you all for the replies. I tried to compare this to my recent boat purchase. 9 years old with 500 hours on the motor. Concerned me a little (that is low hours) but the owner had great maintenance records and after 6 months and almost 70 hours, all is good.

Tires are something I didn't factor in as I would replace 5 year old tires immediately, that was a good point. I will start my search. I live close to the large lazy days in Tampa, they have quite a few used on the lot and IMO are a reputable dealer and took care of us on our 2nd travel trailer purchase. I am not sure what type of prep they do for used MH, but I guess that can all be negotiated.

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No business, just traveling all around North America, retired in 2012 @55 toured the world for 4 years, then discovered Super C rvs, had one custom built and have been on the road since 10/16

That just seems like a realey ambitious travel schedule with little time to relax and explore an area. I tend to spend 3-5 days in an area but I have no problem extending my stay. For example stopped in Moab for a scheduled 5 day stop and left 30 days later. Be shure to try Pasta Jay's if you are in town.[emoticon]
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^^^^^ A few days here a week there, heading out tomorrow for the southern tip of Baja Mexico, probably spend 2 weeks there , then head up to Yellowknife.

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Fairly young rigs with low miles could be the result of a couple of reasons. Good possibility the first owner didn't know what they were getting into but found out they enjoy every second in the coach but it just doesn't fit their needs and they traded in for something bigger or better. The other side is owner that just could not get make it work and sold the coach back to the dealer. The worst case scenario for the potential second owner is the coach is the Queen of the service center have spend more time in for warranty work there than on the road and the owner gave up.

Baring the worst case, 10K on a 2 or 3 year year old is about average for weekend/summer vacation owner which is how I would describe myself. At 13 years of service and 69,000 miles my yearly average is only 5,300 miles. Close to what you're seeing.


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modern family wrote:

Hi all,

We are currently in the market and just starting looking at class A's. We have had multiple trailers though out the years, and I am ready to get rid of my F350 daily driver and gain some more comfort for the family while driving longer distances.

Anyway, I have been looking at 2-3 year old gas models with only 10k miles on them. Now, when all my cars have over 150k on them with no issues, this seems extremely low. Is there something I am missing? Is this just a case of moderate use, recreational.. Is there something more I need to look into or worry about? I am comfortable with something about 5 years old, any older seem to be "lived in" too much for me. I would think that 10k is 10k no matter what the engine is doing. Same is true for all the components, compressors, hoses, belts, etc.

Thanks

About 4500 miles a year is the average on these.
As for wear and tear, it depends on what it was in the first place.
High end models are for much longer lasting of materials in the house as well as other components and especially with a DP.
We bought ours at 9yrs old, with 33K miles and for looking brand new, in and out.
Except for the quirks of getting it right, it's been good for 2.5yrs now and expect to have it for life, considering our age.


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dodge guy wrote:

Speaking of miles. I’m looking at some DP’s 02-07 with 89-130k miles. I know what to expect from the F53 (V-10) chassis. But why should I look for as fat as the chassis goes for diesels. I would like to have a Cummins as that is what I know. Anything as far as the air brakes and air bags to look for? What is the life expectancy of the air bags. Any type of wear or maintainance I should look out for!


dodge guy,
Looking at used diesel motorhomes is just like looking at any other used car/truck/boat etc. They're just bigger. Some are treated nicely and look the part. And some represent the old cliche, "rode hard and put away wet". Although you've state you'd like to maybe end up with a Cummins powered unit, don't discount the CAT equipped ones. If you do, you'll maybe loosing out on some great floor plans and also maybe some great deals.

Yes, CAT pulled out of the over-the-road engine making a few years ago but, there's still a zillion CAT service centers all over the place. CAT parts are still abundant. There are thousands and thousands of CAT powered motorhomes, over the road trucks, cement trucks, fire trucks, delivery trucks and more still out running around every day. This is your choice.

As for what to look for on a chassis, well, like any used vehicle, check for rust, possible damage, broken body to chassis supports (seen that on a few), and a good going over. Diesel coaches for the most part, are air brake equipped. And with that comes air systems. DOT and other regulatory agencies have set up parameters for air systems to operate in.

That is, normal air pressure for most given air controlled systems will be right close to 120-130 psi, tops. An air system, if in good shape, will start off at 0 psi and, at high idle, (around 1000 rpm) should hit the cut out at about 1.5 to 2 minutes, plus or minus a bit. Your "Low air warning buzzer" should die off at very close to 60 psi and above. Your emergency brakes are normally scheduled to auto-apply at or near 30-45 psi, give or take.

There will be an air compressor, a governor, an air dryer, various air lines and valves and of course, air tanks. I could go on but, you can learn all you need about it on line and from other folks on here. As for air bags, well, in most air "sprung" coaches, you'll have four air bags, one at each corner. Some have more. The regulators for the air bags are what's called "ride height sensors". Those control just how much air is placed into the air bags so the coach has a specific ride height.

They also handle the loading of the coach. The more you load into the coach, the heavier it is. And the more it will want to lower itself due to the more weight. BUt, the ride height sensors will see that and, act accordingly and apply more air to the bags, to bring it back to standard height. And, consequently, if you lighten the coach load, they will see that too and let out what's needed to keep the coach at its intended ride height.

How long do they last? That's a $64,000 question. Ours are 15 years old and still working flawlessly and the coach has 88,000 miles on it.

Now, here's a semi-controversial topic. Rear vs side radiator. I could type for pages on this but suffice to say, a side radiator is a bit better for those that do their own maintenance due to the fact that the rear of the coach is a bit more open for access to the engine. Whereas, rear radiator coaches do provide for hindered access for obvious reasons. There are quite a few of us on here that have rear radiator coaches and we do our own work. It's not all that bad. I've had my radiator and CAC (Charge Air Cooler, aka Turbo air cooler) out a couple of times and done maintenance. No biggie. You'll get lots of opinions on this.

The brakes on diesel coaches for the most part are air controlled. And, they're a lot bigger than any gas rig. They normally last a whole lot longer than their counterpart gas rig brakes. One of th reasons is because many, many diesel coaches are equipped with one or the other of two auxiliary braking devices. The first is what's called a "Jake" brake. The true real name is a "compression" brake. Jake is from the name Jacobs who, purchased the rights to it decades ago. That kind of auxiliary braking system is normally on larger coaches with larger diesel engines. And, it quite often has various stages of operation and or selection. Depending on the selection panel in the coach, it can be weak, middle of the road or, I'M STOPPING YOU RIGHT NOW!

The second type of auxiliary braking system is what's called an Exhaust Brake. Those are merely a valve installed in the exhaust tubing close to the engine. Close the valve, and no exhaust is allowed to leave and, guess what, that backs up the engines ability to breath and, you begin to slow down because of it. Those are either ON or OFF. There's no level of selection on those.

There's others too like variable vane turbos that are a form of brakes too but, I'm not very familiar with those.

But, in short, with the proper use of those auxiliary braking system, your service brakes will live a long happy life. Our brake are currently about 5/8" to 3/4" of an inch thick, at 88,000 miles. I seriously expect them to go easily to 150,000 miles.

Anyway, there's lots more to offer here but, that's a start. If you find a coach, give it a good inspection, top to bottom, front to back, side to side. Hopefully you'll get some good maintenance records to help with your decision but, if not, it's not the end of the world. We didn't and our coach is just fine. Good luck and happy hunting. There's lots of them out there.
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