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Had an interesting issue yesterday. Had just finished fueling up, heading to Perry when the MH would not start. 2006 National Seabreeze LX. Pressed the boost button and still no go. ???. So I had my 600A booster, connected to the engine battery and STILL nothing. Dang, this is not good. First trip to Perry and we're dead before we get on the road. Wife says what if you start the genny? OK, I didn't think the genny charged the engine battery but we'll give it a try. BOOM, started right up. So, without having time yet to look at the schematic, does the genny charge the engine (chassis) battery? What is the standard for a Class A. I'm going to also post this on the National forum on iRV2.

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Quick guess is you have a bad starter. Has a bad connection at the solenoid or just a flat spot. I do not believe the generator charges the chassis battery, but I am not familiar with your model. Question, was the chassis battery dead ? Headlights, dash lights etc on and bright ?

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Only charges the engine batteries if you hold the boost switch down.


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NO RV Genset charges any battery. Gensets have NO charging system at all. What the genset does is supply 120 power to the onboard COACH Converter or Inverter/charger, whichever you have, and THAT appliance charges the coach batteries ONLY. Your Emergency BOOST, requires the COACH batteries to be charged. The BOOST button is activated by the Coach battery 12 volt signal. It then merges the coach and Chassis batteries by a solenoid to supply power to start the engine. Odds are, as another posted stated, you had a temp bad connection on the engine starter/solenoid system. Doug

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Posted: 03/13/19 09:36am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

dougrainer wrote:

NO RV Genset charges any battery. Gensets have NO charging system at all. What the genset does is supply 120 power to the onboard COACH Converter or Inverter/charger, whichever you have, and THAT appliance charges the coach batteries ONLY. Your Emergency BOOST, requires the COACH batteries to be charged. The BOOST button is activated by the Coach battery 12 volt signal. It then merges the coach and Chassis batteries by a solenoid to supply power to start the engine. Odds are, as another posted stated, you had a temp bad connection on the engine starter/solenoid system. Doug


Yeah,, Well, we have an extra link in the chain,, The gen-set does charge both sets of batteries.


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FloridaRosebud wrote:

Had an interesting issue yesterday. Had just finished fueling up, heading to Perry when the MH would not start. 2006 National Seabreeze LX. Pressed the boost button and still no go. ???. So I had my 600A booster, connected to the engine battery and STILL nothing. Dang, this is not good. First trip to Perry and we're dead before we get on the road. Wife says what if you start the genny? OK, I didn't think the genny charged the engine battery but we'll give it a try. BOOM, started right up. So, without having time yet to look at the schematic, does the genny charge the engine (chassis) battery? What is the standard for a Class A. I'm going to also post this on the National forum on iRV2.

Thanks!!

Al

First question is.....was the chassis battery actually dead or was there some other intermittent problem, that wasn't allowing the engine to turn over?
Unless there's also a problem with the aux. boost, then it should have started, when coupling all the batteries together.
The genset does charge your chassis battery through the converter, but only after the coach batteries are up.
I'm doubting that your batteries were the problem, but time will tell with that one, so if and when there's a next time, you need to check the voltages on the batteries, before proceeding any further.
We had a 98 National with a GM engine and I replaced the starter twice over a period of 9yrs. with the rig being 9yrs old, when we got it.


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dougrainer wrote:

NO RV Genset charges any battery. Gensets have NO charging system at all. What the genset does is supply 120 power to the onboard COACH Converter or Inverter/charger, whichever you have, and THAT appliance charges the coach batteries ONLY. Your Emergency BOOST, requires the COACH batteries to be charged. The BOOST button is activated by the Coach battery 12 volt signal. It then merges the coach and Chassis batteries by a solenoid to supply power to start the engine. Odds are, as another posted stated, you had a temp bad connection on the engine starter/solenoid system. Doug


Mostly true... except if you have a Bi-Directional Isolator Relay Delay (BIRD) installed then all batteries will be charges via the Inverter/Charger and the engine alternator. Every class A I have had or worked on over the last 15+ years has had one.


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Ivylog wrote:

Only charges the engine batteries if you hold the boost switch down.


No, not true in all cases.
Mine charges both sets, both ways.

AND....the OPs problem likely will be back again.
NOW would be a good time to get a voltmeter AND check to see if there is supposed to be a BIRD device there or not. I had to replace a solenoid to get mine working.

IF....the problem really was that the engine/starter wasn't turning over at all (which he really didn't actually SAY), I agree that the main problem likely was/is a bad connection somewhere in the main chassis battery cables.


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tropical36 wrote:

FloridaRosebud wrote:

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The genset does charge your chassis battery through the converter, but only after the coach batteries are up.


Not with the Intel system..
1 volt difference the connection is made. Then they both charge together

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Check the most simple things first. Check/clean your chassis battery cable terminals where they connect to the chassis battery. Check the water level(s), if applicable. Also clean the house battery cables in a similar way. Don't overthink it. A multi-meter is your friend.

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