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Posted: 03/13/19 07:22pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Chum lee wrote:

Check the most simple things first. Check/clean your chassis battery cable terminals where they connect to the chassis battery. Check the water level(s), if applicable. Also clean the house battery cables in a similar way. Don't overthink it. A multi-meter is your friend.

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Agree. Over the next couple of days I'll look at all the connections I can get to. I also will look at the electrical one-lines for the 2006 Seabreeze line I've got. We made it to Perry OK, no other issues. FYI - water levels are fine....

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Workhorse or Ford Chassis? Could be starter pilot relay. See post below
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/29832649.cfm
Could be starter too

Had the same issue.

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If it were me I would expect more of the same.


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angler wrote:

Workhorse or Ford Chassis? Could be starter pilot relay. See post below
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/29832649.cfm
Could be starter too

Had the same issue.


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dougrainer wrote:

NO RV Genset charges any battery. Gensets have NO charging system at all. What the genset does is supply 120 power to the onboard COACH Converter or Inverter/charger, whichever you have, and THAT appliance charges the coach batteries ONLY. Your Emergency BOOST, requires the COACH batteries to be charged. The BOOST button is activated by the Coach battery 12 volt signal. It then merges the coach and Chassis batteries by a solenoid to supply power to start the engine. Odds are, as another posted stated, you had a temp bad connection on the engine starter/solenoid system. Doug


Yeah,, Well, we have an extra link in the chain,, The gen-set does charge both sets of batteries.


Please READ and COMPREHEND my post. It is 100 percent accurate. Gensets as well as Shore Power CANNOT charge batteries. All they do is supply 120 POWER to the actual charging appliances on the RV. Disconnect or have a bad Converter or Inverter/Charger. Then try and charge your RV. Doug

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On a 2006 there is a good chance your isolator is a BIRD (Bi Directional Isolator Relay Device) and the house converter does indeed charge the chassis.

I'd also check the chassis battery with a good load tester.

Suspects on a don't start
Bad battery
Dirty battery connections (See note below)
Bad pilot relay or solenoid or starter
Bad other connection

My expierence
1st time (2nd and 3rd and perhaps 4th) it was a dirty battery connection. Body builder made that cable and used the WRONG terminal material. The next failure was a bad battery.. When I replaced the battery I replaced the terminal so that has not bothered me again (Been years)

The last failure was the pilot relay. How to tell? (I did it from the drivers seat)

The Pilot relay makes a sharp "Click" sound.. Like the relay on your Air Conditioner or other relay operated device. (Very soprano)

The solenoid (on the starter in my case) is a much more solid CLUNK (more Bass like).

Of course chatter is low-bat/bad connection.

I cleaned the pilot relay and VAROOM


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Please READ and COMPREHEND my post. It is 100 percent accurate. Gensets as well as Shore Power CANNOT charge batteries. All they do is supply 120 POWER to the actual charging appliances on the RV. Disconnect or have a bad Converter or Inverter/Charger. Then try and charge your RV. Doug


If The Inverter/charger is the "charger" where does it get the energy to do that.
How can the Inverter/charger which makes no energy, so how can it be the charger?

The inverter charger is only directing and controlling the charge rate That is all it can do.


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Please READ and COMPREHEND my post. It is 100 percent accurate. Gensets as well as Shore Power CANNOT charge batteries. All they do is supply 120 POWER to the actual charging appliances on the RV. Disconnect or have a bad Converter or Inverter/Charger. Then try and charge your RV. Doug


If The Inverter/charger is the "charger" where does it get the energy to do that.
How can the Inverter/charger which makes no energy, so how can it be the charger?

The inverter charger is only directing and controlling the charge rate That is all it can do.


You know, I was being nice. Since you either do not like me or you are a jerk, Inverter/CHARGERS are a BATTERY CHARGER. It takes 120 volts to make them work. GENSETS, HAVE NO CHARGER. If you disconnect the Inverter/Charger or your Converter, within about 24 hours your Genset will stop running as it requires 12 volts to stay running. It will draw its needed current from the battery bank supplying it until that battery bank is depleted by the Genset. AN INVERTER/CHARGER MAKES ENERGY. Doug

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dougrainer wrote:

Tom/Barb wrote:

dougrainer wrote:



Please READ and COMPREHEND my post. It is 100 percent accurate. Gensets as well as Shore Power CANNOT charge batteries. All they do is supply 120 POWER to the actual charging appliances on the RV. Disconnect or have a bad Converter or Inverter/Charger. Then try and charge your RV. Doug


If The Inverter/charger is the "charger" where does it get the energy to do that.
How can the Inverter/charger which makes no energy, so how can it be the charger?

The inverter charger is only directing and controlling the charge rate That is all it can do.


You know, I was being nice. Since you either do not like me or you are a jerk, Inverter/CHARGERS are a BATTERY CHARGER. It takes 120 volts to make them work. GENSETS, HAVE NO CHARGER. If you disconnect the Inverter/Charger or your Converter, within about 24 hours your Genset will stop running as it requires 12 volts to stay running. It will draw its needed current from the battery bank supplying it until that battery bank is depleted by the Genset. AN INVERTER/CHARGER MAKES ENERGY. Doug


Sorry Doug - a converter/charger does not make energy...it changes energy from one form to another. A generator makes energy. A battery makes energy. By definition. I'm an EE and have worked in the power industry for many, many years. If you want to think that a inverter/charger makes energy please go right ahead, but that's not correct.

And your argument with others does not help me with the issue I posted.

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OK, perhaps time to take a "chill pill".

Good information posts have degraded into personal attacks.

That is NOT what the Forum is about.

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