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Posted: 04/09/19 01:36pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

badsix wrote:

the O/P should contact the Better Business bureau in the state of the campground, they should be able to provide honest answers. its not the money so much its the principal. some people just don't care and will lay down and let people walk on them. others do care, they are the ones that make it better for all of us. its all about right and wrong.
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It is about right or wrong. But without details who's to say what's right and what's wrong.

A co-worker complained about stores ripping her off. She said it was a weekly occurrence, if not daily. I pointed out that if it was happening that often, then she was doing something wrong. So, she started detailing the circumstances to me. Guess what? In 99 percent of the situations, they charged her the correct price for the item - but she was looking for anything to get a lower price. She would pick something up that was on the wrong shelf and then try to argue that the sign below it (which was for a different thing completely) was what she should be charged.

In this situation, we just don't know the details. Did the website and/or small print state that prices were subject to change for 2019 reservations?


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Now we have devolved to Federal wire fraud. If I jumped to these conclusions on my corporate audits at the first question I would have the FBI on speed dial.

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So what if the campground requires a 100% deposit?

Ummmm....then it wouldn't be a "deposit", it would be "Paid in Full".[emoticon]


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valhalla360 wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

Just my opinion here and I am not a lawyer. If OP had paid a deposit for site I would say it was open to a price increase for the other nights not paid for. If OP paid in full I would think all nights were paid for before price increase and should be honored.


So what if the campground requires a 100% deposit?

What percentage you paid doesn't matter...it's what the contract terms set out that counts.

Example: Airlines can kick you off the plane after...you've paid in full, received your boarding card, passed thru security and are buckled into your seat. All very much legal, because the contract terms you agreed to allow for it (and no the airline doesn't walk you thru all the terms and conditions, that's your burden)
Then it is not a deposit to hold it is a paid in full contract. This is about as crazy as me selling someone a classic car on the internet and being paid in full at that time with the understanding he will pick it up at a later set date. Then telling him the prices on all our cars went up a few thousand dollars a month later. Now I tell him he owes me more for the car he already owns.
Just stupid in my opinion.


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Bird Freak wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

Just my opinion here and I am not a lawyer. If OP had paid a deposit for site I would say it was open to a price increase for the other nights not paid for. If OP paid in full I would think all nights were paid for before price increase and should be honored.


So what if the campground requires a 100% deposit?

What percentage you paid doesn't matter...it's what the contract terms set out that counts.

Example: Airlines can kick you off the plane after...you've paid in full, received your boarding card, passed thru security and are buckled into your seat. All very much legal, because the contract terms you agreed to allow for it (and no the airline doesn't walk you thru all the terms and conditions, that's your burden)
Then it is not a deposit to hold it is a paid in full contract. This is about as crazy as me selling someone a classic car on the internet and being paid in full at that time with the understanding he will pick it up at a later set date. Then telling him the prices on all our cars went up a few thousand dollars a month later. Now I tell him he owes me more for the car he already owns.
Just stupid in my opinion.
We take a deposit equal to one night's stay on one night reservations. I guess I have been treating it wrong all these years. From now on I will abide by the code of internet contract law and realize it is payment in full, completed contract. That means a one night reservation will not be subject to our deposit refund policies which is to refund all but a processing fee when cancelled within the cancellation period. This saves me a lot of work refunding those deposits and re-renting the site. And that doesn't even take into account the fact that paid for, but unused sites don't use any utilities, don't require cleaning, don't ever require any customer service so they are pure profit. If anyone has a problem, I will point out that to refund any money would require breaking a sacred contract and nobody wants that.
Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways.

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westernrvparkowner wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

Just my opinion here and I am not a lawyer. If OP had paid a deposit for site I would say it was open to a price increase for the other nights not paid for. If OP paid in full I would think all nights were paid for before price increase and should be honored.


So what if the campground requires a 100% deposit?

What percentage you paid doesn't matter...it's what the contract terms set out that counts.

Example: Airlines can kick you off the plane after...you've paid in full, received your boarding card, passed thru security and are buckled into your seat. All very much legal, because the contract terms you agreed to allow for it (and no the airline doesn't walk you thru all the terms and conditions, that's your burden)
Then it is not a deposit to hold it is a paid in full contract. This is about as crazy as me selling someone a classic car on the internet and being paid in full at that time with the understanding he will pick it up at a later set date. Then telling him the prices on all our cars went up a few thousand dollars a month later. Now I tell him he owes me more for the car he already owns.
Just stupid in my opinion.
We take a deposit equal to one night's stay on one night reservations. I guess I have been treating it wrong all these years. From now on I will abide by the code of internet contract law and realize it is payment in full, completed contract. That means a one night reservation will not be subject to our deposit refund policies which is to refund all but a processing fee when cancelled within the cancellation period. This saves me a lot of work refunding those deposits and re-renting the site. And that doesn't even take into account the fact that paid for, but unused sites don't use any utilities, don't require cleaning, don't ever require any customer service so they are pure profit. If anyone has a problem, I will point out that to refund any money would require breaking a sacred contract and nobody wants that.
Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways.
If this is what you got out of my opinion then maybe you are not as bright as I thought.

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Bird Freak wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

Just my opinion here and I am not a lawyer. If OP had paid a deposit for site I would say it was open to a price increase for the other nights not paid for. If OP paid in full I would think all nights were paid for before price increase and should be honored.


So what if the campground requires a 100% deposit?

What percentage you paid doesn't matter...it's what the contract terms set out that counts.

Example: Airlines can kick you off the plane after...you've paid in full, received your boarding card, passed thru security and are buckled into your seat. All very much legal, because the contract terms you agreed to allow for it (and no the airline doesn't walk you thru all the terms and conditions, that's your burden)
Then it is not a deposit to hold it is a paid in full contract. This is about as crazy as me selling someone a classic car on the internet and being paid in full at that time with the understanding he will pick it up at a later set date. Then telling him the prices on all our cars went up a few thousand dollars a month later. Now I tell him he owes me more for the car he already owns.
Just stupid in my opinion.
We take a deposit equal to one night's stay on one night reservations. I guess I have been treating it wrong all these years. From now on I will abide by the code of internet contract law and realize it is payment in full, completed contract. That means a one night reservation will not be subject to our deposit refund policies which is to refund all but a processing fee when cancelled within the cancellation period. This saves me a lot of work refunding those deposits and re-renting the site. And that doesn't even take into account the fact that paid for, but unused sites don't use any utilities, don't require cleaning, don't ever require any customer service so they are pure profit. If anyone has a problem, I will point out that to refund any money would require breaking a sacred contract and nobody wants that.
Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways.
If this is what you got out of my opinion then maybe you are not as bright as I thought.
You were very clear that a 100% deposit is not a deposit, but rather a completed contract. If that is indeed a fact, then any cancellation request by the customer would be a request to break that contract. Are you suggesting that breaking contracts should be an intregal aspect of good business processes? If not, the alternative would be for both parties to honorthat contract and consider that site rented to the customer whether they intend to arrive or not.

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bigred1cav wrote:

Wire fraud is a crime in which a person concocts a scheme to defraud or obtain money based on false representation or promises. This criminal act is done using electronic communications or an interstate communications facility.

Really??? You have no clue what the policy says or doesn't say about rate increases, and you're calling this a criminal act?

Maybe Bob Mueller should investigate.

No wonder our country is so jacked up.

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I wonder where the OP went, probably scared off by all this "legal" talk. [emoticon]

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4x4van wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:


So what if the campground requires a 100% deposit?

Ummmm....then it wouldn't be a "deposit", it would be "Paid in Full".[emoticon]


Would it if they label it a "deposit"?

Especially if there is a clause that the prices may be adjusted for 2019, it's not "paid in full.


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