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Just thought I' d post something a lil different.

Got local school budget info and just like everything else in NYS, bigger budget. One item that caught my attention tho is bus purchases. Seems that they want to buy a few (as they do every year), but spec them w/gas engines. They cite how they are cheaper than diesels and all. IMO, they are in no way as good or efficient as diesel motors. In fact, don't recall seeing any large vehicle (except a RV) with a gas motor in eons.

What do all the motorheads here think?


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Here in Colorado they buy a lot of buses that run on propane. The poor diesel engine is being killed by emissions.

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ACZL wrote:

They cite how they are cheaper than diesels and all.

Maybe they're only considering the initial purchase price of the gas engine?

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I have often wondered about this. IMO it would depend on the route the bus does daily. If it's in town, flat and just stop to stop, I see no reason a gas engine wouldn't suffice. If it does highway mixed with inclines and rural areas, maybe a diesel would be better. I live near a school bus garage in a town that services two school districts. In anything colder than about 40 degrees, someone comes in and starts the buses an hour before they leave the yard....that can't be cheap on fuel.I am curious as to how many miles they rack up before they are retired, although I think a diesel would be cheaper in the long run with high miles I see a lot of school buses at auction with less than 100k.

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Mostly diesel busses in my area.

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blownstang01 wrote:

I am curious as to how many miles they rack up before they are retired,


Not miles...............years. Typically 12, then the window opens up to get Federal Subsidies for new ones. Your tax dollars at work.

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Our local district has about 30 of the newer gas busses. The drivers love them. I believe they are ford v10 engines.

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In my area, diesel is almost .50 cents more per gallon than regular gas - sometimes that jumps to .70 cents more depending on the stars and moon phase (at least it seems that way).

It would be interesting to see a long term cost analysis of a diesel bus vs gas bus.


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I used to work for our school district in the bus garage. We had numerous problems with the newer diesels and particulate emissions were an issue so we switched to propane. Except for the need to fill up more often the propane busses were a huge improvement. BTW We were still using a few 30 year old International gas busses when I was there, that is until the steering box on one of them went out on a steep winding road. They were all pulled from service that day!

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I’ve ways thought a diesel in school buses was unnecessary. A big gas engine is all that is really needed.

A lot of municipalities are going gas in ambulances because the diesel isn’t as reliable as it used to be, and again a diesel is t needed!


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